OH - girl 5, beaten and sexually assaulted - Cleveland, Sep 2025 *boy 9 and girl 10 arrested*

  • #41
Moo...I think there is usually one disturbed individual, and the others just follow along....moo

doesn't that make them just as disturbed though?
 
  • #42
doesn't that make them just as disturbed though?
You have a good point but sometimes it's peer pressure, afraid of not fitting in, being liked, etc. Sure, as adults we know that should not matter, but they are still kids and stupid stuff like that matters to them, unfortunately, before their brains are fully developed and mature.
 
  • #43
I saw a YouTube video a while back where some former Jehovah's Witnesses were talking about abuse within that church (in short, they really don't handle it), and they named other religions that had protocols on what to do if an abuser, of either a child or an adult, IS a child themselves. That definitely needs to be addressed in ALL spheres of living.
As a person who was abused sexually as a child by another girl, I feel for the victim, and the perpetrators as I feel for myself as a child and the girl who abused me. There is some level of parental neglect and sexual abuse close to/within the family for these things to play out. They are abusers themselves but also acting out the things that were done to them as children as a way of understanding them. It’s a horrible situation all around and there are adults that should be arrested as a result of this incident.

As for the resulting CPTSD, it’s a whole other kettle of fish. I got into some abusive relationships as a teenager and young adult because my idea of love and s*x was skewed to abuse.
 
  • #44
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  • #45
It's all so frigging sad! Blessings on the little girl and her family.
 
  • #46
Watching the documentary that popped up on the site — you guys are awesome!


So happy I found you all. I’ve been reading as much as I can — there’s so much to take in!


I’m from Brazil, living in Spain, and working for an American company.


I’ll be hanging around here, learning and following along.





Thanks everyone! ❤️
Welcome to WS, @zopelaro!! Glad you found us. :)
 
  • #47
There was alot of anger acted out on the little girl, and no 9 or 10 yr should be carrying around that much rage inside of them. This wasn't just some experimentation of something they've heard about on the school bus, this was a savage and vicious attack by some very disturbed kids. Maybe it was jealousy by the 10yr, this little girl was obviously loved and adored. The beads in her hair, the beautiful clothes she wore. She was LOVED. Maybe the anger came from the fact the 10yr had none of that and she was lashing out.
I agree this would not have been some form of experimentation that went overboard, especially not something they heard about on the school bus or even saw on a video.

With that amount of rage in a 10yo I'm wondering if this child might have been physically and/or sexually abused herself. Abuse is not an excuse to take your rage out on someone else, that's obvious. As a child/teen I suffered under a sibling who was full of rage at what was done to him by a parent, but he took it out on me instead - it's easier to attack a younger and smaller person. I can still remember sensing my sibling's rage in the air... The utter injustice of abuse can cause rage within a person, and without some sort of outside help e.g. therapy plus an end to the injustice, where does the rage go? Self-destruction or attack someone else. I'm not excusing the 10yo and other attacker(s) of the 5yo! But I imagine the attackers need therapy really badly too. Because they really shouldn't have that amount of rage in them. But you can't say "Bad child. Get rid of your rage." It doesn't work that way.

There are also some child victims of physical/sexual abuse who are actually forced to abuse other children by their abusers. Maybe the 10yo knew how to do this stuff because she had already had to?
MOO
 
  • #48
I agree this would not have been some form of experimentation that went overboard, especially not something they heard about on the school bus or even saw on a video.

(snipped)

There are also some child victims of physical/sexual abuse who are actually forced to abuse other children by their abusers. Maybe the 10yo knew how to do this stuff because she had already had to?
MOO
ITA, and I'm sure investigators are looking into this.
 
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CLEVELAND, Ohio — A 10-year-old girl and a 9-year-old boy charged with attempted murder and rape of an autistic girl in Cleveland are set to appear before a judge on Thursday.
Good lord. 9 and 10 are really young for this sort of thing/urges, but a girl apparently lured here out there?!?! What is WRONG with some people?!??!?

From your link:

Several youths told investigators that the 10-year-old girl led the victim to the field behind the Collinwood Athletic Complex before hitting her in the face with a rock, strangling her and undressing her, according to the incident report. The children also sexually assaulted her, police said.
 
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  • #52
“The 9-year-old suspect was also scheduled to appear in court today but did not show up, with the family citing car troubles. The judge has ordered the boy to appear in court within the next week, threatening to issue an arrest warrant if he fails to comply


“the defense for the 10-year-old girl filed a motion requesting a competency evaluation, citing concerns that the child may not fully understand the proceedings. Judge Sweeney granted the motion. The girl appeared in court wearing a mask and coat while accompanied by a family member.

The prosecution requested that the girl be placed on house arrest with an ankle monitor.”



"Secondly, and I'm just going to note this for the record, we don't have a parent present in court today for [the child], and so I am not sure what the living circumstances are outside of what was discussed in the closure hearing."


Parents continuing to fail these 2 minors.
Why the heck are they with their families? IMO this should be a CPS removal for investigation.

I feel like Ohio is dropping the ball on this case time after time
 
  • #53
So nobody, including the accused boy showed up due to car trouble.

And while some unnamed family member appeared with the girl, no parent did so.

How sad. I feel strongly these children's home lives should be looked at very closely. This idea to do what they did. This CAME from somewhere. It didn't just materialize on it's own.
 
  • #54
So nobody, including the accused boy showed up due to car trouble.

And while some unnamed family member appeared with the girl, no parent did so.

How sad. I feel strongly these children's home lives should be looked at very closely. This idea to do what they did. This CAME from somewhere. It didn't just materialize on it's own.

💯 and the families aren’t even pretending to be responsible parents after what they did.

Why are they with their families?!?!
 
  • #55
Thank you. All of the CSA that we are constantly seeing weighs heavy on my heart. I have watched the long-term effects of crimes most would think of as "lesser" than these we are discussing here, just absolutely ruin peoples lives. There are no"lesser" CSA crimes. Even what seems a simple act of "exposure" can be life changing for a developing child. Then I think of the atrocities that this baby girl endured at an age where she is old enough to remember but too young to comprehend. My heart just breaks in two. No matter how much help she gets, she is forever changed from who she was intended to be.

I, too, wonder who was supposed to be watching her.
Indeed. Maybe I missed seeing it here.
I would think that even someone seeking to hold her hand in love and kindness, will take a while.

Oh, so many of us here are very fortunate not to experience something like this.
 
  • #56
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  • #57
Welcome to Websleuths,
zopelaro !!

 
  • #58
As a person who was abused sexually as a child by another girl, I feel for the victim, and the perpetrators as I feel for myself as a child and the girl who abused me. There is some level of parental neglect and sexual abuse close to/within the family for these things to play out. They are abusers themselves but also acting out the things that were done to them as children as a way of understanding them. It’s a horrible situation all around and there are adults that should be arrested as a result of this incident.

As for the resulting CPTSD, it’s a whole other kettle of fish. I got into some abusive relationships as a teenager and young adult because my idea of love and s*x was skewed to abuse.
THIS.
 
  • #59
“The 9-year-old suspect was also scheduled to appear in court today but did not show up, with the family citing car troubles. The judge has ordered the boy to appear in court within the next week, threatening to issue an arrest warrant if he fails to comply


“the defense for the 10-year-old girl filed a motion requesting a competency evaluation, citing concerns that the child may not fully understand the proceedings. Judge Sweeney granted the motion. The girl appeared in court wearing a mask and coat while accompanied by a family member.

The prosecution requested that the girl be placed on house arrest with an ankle monitor.”



"Secondly, and I'm just going to note this for the record, we don't have a parent present in court today for [the child], and so I am not sure what the living circumstances are outside of what was discussed in the closure hearing."


Parents continuing to fail these 2 minors.
Why the heck are they with their families? IMO this should be a CPS removal for investigation.

I feel like Ohio is dropping the ball on this case time after time
I'm wondering why a deputy was not instructed to go pick up the boy for court. If it had been an adult and the adult did not show up for court, it would be a different story.
 
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