Recovered/Located OH - Harley Dilly, 14, walking to Port Clinton High School, 20 Dec 2019 #3

[Night Watcher]

I was told that the RR tracks were one of the "first areas searched" after Harley went missing.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

As most know, Harley Dilly was last observed on what we believe to be him on video footage leave his residence in the 500 block of E. 5th Street at 06:08 in the morning, on Friday, December 20th, 2020.
Port Clinton Police Department

 

[GordianKnot]

DBM.

Duplicate post.

 

[GordianKnot]

Long time lurker. It seems most long time lurkers always have a case that finally prompts them to make the leap and join the WS family, and Harley is that case for me. I’ve followed religiously almost right away. In fact I created an account the day the scanner chatter thread was created because I had to know what was going on.

Idk if I’ve ever seen it mentioned, but Harleys phone - that it seems we cannot get a straight answer as to if it was broken, or taken away, but I’d imagine would have some very good insight as to if he has been communicating with people from online. This is where I’ve pretty much been at from a bit in. Whether he went to knowingly meet them, or they found him. I’ve never seen any msm, LE, or family say that his phone has been reviewed. Be it broken or not, I’m certain data can be accessed by the right people. I’d be hard pressed to understand how LE wouldn’t have already done this. Just surprised I haven’t seen anything saying such with all the times I’ve seen mentioned that he did not have it as of a week prior to missing. ‍ I certainly may have missed it.

I check this thread a hundred times a day, praying for some positive outcome. Oh Harley. Please come home.

Welcome to Websleuths, Mistyjks!

Glad you decided to come out from behind the bushes!

Great first post.

Fwiw, I have no doubt whatsoever that LE has done a deep dive into HD's digital data.

The FBI has assisted PCPD on this case.
As we all know, Big Brother has the ability to watch virtually (pun intended) everything that goes on in the cybersphere.

I'm confident that an exhaustive analysis of HD's cell phone activity and SM accounts is one of the ways the FBI has assisted local LE in this case.

In terms of his electronic footprints, they likely have every single step tracked, right down to his pinky toes.

JMO.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

It appears that Port Clinton classes normally start at 7:30 am so doors are likely open for breakfast around 7:00.
Port Clinton High School

 

[Diddian]

Does the city of Port Clinton use a landfill or is their trash taken to a huge incinerator? tia

Good question, particularly since PC has many close waterways. We had a summer home in such a community and the local garbage container site stunk to high heaven because of all the waste from fish and oyster harvesting. So, incineration would be a good way to reduce that awful odor.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Good question, particularly since PC has many close waterways. We had a summer home in such a community and the local garbage container site stunk to high heaven because of all the waste from fish and oyster harvesting. So, incineration would be a good way to reduce that awful odor.

Ottawa County Landfill | Port Clinton, OH
Republic Services
Landfill locations of Port Clinton area:
Republic Services

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I read an article stating that the landfill was "searched" by helicopter, but you can't search a landfill by helicopter. You can only view the top of the landfill with a helicopter.

Is law enforcement planning to search the landfill?

 

[heed101]

Yes. Also in what direction he was headed. Mom saw him didn't see him. She spoke to him, and there's a differnce, but she can't elaborate because it could jeopardize Harley. Her droning on about irrelevant crime shows, and them getting solved in an hr. ( yeah only fictional shows). I'm sorry but is Barney Fife leading this case?
MOO

I know. We are all trying to sift through those inconsistencies to find the truth, BUT the truth should have been provided or nothing should have been said.

 

[bellyup]

Does the city of Port Clinton use a landfill or is their trash taken to a huge incinerator? tia

Port Clinton doesn't have city trash services.

Therefore, individual residents pay for private companies. The services then dispose either at a landfill or incinerator depending which service you use. This is why it can't be answered "what day" is trash pick up. Depending on which service you hire, pick up day is different.

 

[heed101]

I read an article stating that the landfill was "searched" by helicopter, but you can't search a landfill by helicopter. You can only view the top of the landfill with a helicopter.

Is law enforcement planning to search the landfill?

New imaging software could help locate Port Clinton teen new software helps in air search

 

[chypie]

Katydid, I appreciate you prefacing your post with an "I'm happy for your son and you but," in thread #2 (I was not able to reply to it because it is now locked) and the link to an article from 5 years ago. Not sure where you were going with that, but I disagree and stand by my original comment. Do you have something published more recently to provide that focuses on sober houses and not lump them in with halfway houses? I don't believe my original comment defended them at all or even mentioned it. My apologies to anyone that read it that way. I don't have experience with those to say one way or another personally. I am happy to provide you (or anyone) some updated links on studies and information on sober houses and programs, but don't wish to take this any further in this thread. Sober houses aren't magic, and my life isn't rainbows and cupcakes after he came home. I just advocate ending the stigma when I can. You are welcome to message me personally if you would like to continue the discussion.

Thank you all for your continued work and thoughts on Harley. So many possibilities. I am still baffled by his disappearance and can't believe it's been almost a month with no clear answers yet. Something has to give, right? Some really great theories here. I hope that LE is thinking along the same lines of many of you that have put forth thoughts on where to search, what to look for etc. Offenders sometimes take part in searches or try to help LE, I wonder if there is someone being extra about all of this outside of how distraught a person would be over a missing child. With no information being released I have to wonder what LE is sitting on, especially with so many agencies involved.

 

[GordianKnot]

Does anyone here recall seeing or hearing anything re: whether or not search dogs were able to pick up HD's scent in that alley and if so, how far they were able to track it?

If not, that's another question for reporters to follow up on with LE.

I know both live search and cadaver dogs have been used, but I haven't seen anything in MSM indicating dogs hit on HD's scent anywhere.

 

[Dnp2be]

Agreed that HD appears to display oppositional defiant behavior at times.

Developmentally, in and of itself, challenging authority figures is not unusual for a 14-year-old adolescent, although LE being called out to the home multiple times does indicate HD's behaviors sometimes escalate beyond the bounds of what would be considered normal teenage rebelliousness.

This is what leads me to believe that after his mom insisted he go to school despite his complaint of feeling sick, it's unlikely that HD complied with her directive.

My concern is that HD may have regarded that as the proverbial last straw.

I think HD does have some issues.
I think his parents also have some issues, as evidenced by some of his YT videos.
I think the family unit collectively has some significant issues.

I just hope it's not too late for them all to work on those issues together.

I especially hope it's not too late for Harley.

JMO.

I am not saying HD has ODD or any like diagnosis however i did want to share my personal experience because when you posted this, it turned on a light in my head.

My DSS has been diagnosed with disruptive mood disorder, ODD and high functioning Autism and ADD (however the last 2 are something they have redacted or bounce back and forth on). Anyhow, he is very resistive and defiant to any rules or restrictions placed on him. In fact, he will straight up argue that grass isn’t green for hours when he is in one of his “moods”. He is 11 and he is an extremely picky eater and in fact refuses to try most common foods such as fruit, vegetables, potatoes, etc. he will tell me 1 day he loves bacon and the next that he hates it or is allergic to it. His bathing routines are not typical for his age. He also has no insight or concerns for his hygiene and has to be reminded daily to take care of the things most of us would do before we even step out of the house for the day. He is very smart, especially with math and science. He has days where he is not defiant. He has had days where he is so inappropriate and defiant that he is no longer allowed in a normal school setting. Just the other day, he ran away with no coat or shoes in Nebraska weather. His stubbornness was so strong, he endured an hour outside until I finally convinced him in our long discussion to come back in. He ran away because he was asked to help his father make his bed.

We have had LE to our home several times, not because we are dysfunctional or bad parents. When a child has a piece of wooden furniture in his hands and starts swinging it at dad in a rage, or when he starts flipping the house and smashing lamps, when he is kicking out your back car window....what else do you do? And we have been told by LE to call them bc their reports are usually needed for placement into different treatment options when necessary.

My point is, I have no idea IF HD is anything like my son, but If he is...I can confirm that at times when anger takes over, common sense and judgement are absent. My step son has almost been hit by traffic several times because he “doesn’t care” and is throwing a tantrum. Thankfully, he has yet to be injured. And with lots of therapy, discipline, structure, and work from all of us, his episodes happened much less than in the past. IF HD was anything like him, it’s very possible he was angry over the phone, his mom not letting him stay home, and any other factors we may not be privy to. Again, IF HD had any ODD like disorders, it’s very possible he took off and did something without thinking logically and without regard to consequences. This could mean any risk taking behavior such as meeting up with someone, running away, injuring himself, etc.

Sorry for the long post. I just wanted to provide some insight on what I have personally witnessed bc it’s hard to imagine (at least it was for me) how a child could be so smart yet do things that indicate no common sense.

 

[bellyup]

Does anyone here recall seeing or hearing anything re: whether or not search dogs were able to pick up HD's scent in that alley and if so, how far they were able to track it?

If not, that's another question for reporters to follow up on with LE.

I know both live search and cadaver dogs have been used, but I haven't seen anything in MSM indicating dogs hit on HD's scent anywhere.

LE has been mum about anything the dogs discovered or didn't. Also not super informative about the dogs used. It would be great if they answered some questions from the press but at this point ... we get copy and pastes from facebook "updates" so LE doesn't have to answer any questions.

 

[GordianKnot]

I am not saying HD has ODD or any like diagnosis however i did want to share my personal experience because when you posted this, it turned on a light in my head.

My DSS has been diagnosed with disruptive mood disorder, ODD and high functioning Autism and ADD (however the last 2 are something they have redacted or bounce back and forth on). Anyhow, he is very resistive and defiant to any rules or restrictions placed on him. In fact, he will straight up argue that grass isn’t green for hours when he is in one of his “moods”. He is 11 and he is an extremely picky eater and in fact refuses to try most common foods such as fruit, vegetables, potatoes, etc. he will tell me 1 day he loves bacon and the next that he hates it or is allergic to it. His bathing routines are not typical for his age. He also has no insight or concerns for his hygiene and has to be reminded daily to take care of the things most of us would do before we even step out of the house for the day. He is very smart, especially with math and science. He has days where he is not defiant. He has had days where he is so inappropriate and defiant that he is no longer allowed in a normal school setting. Just the other day, he ran away with no coat or shoes in Nebraska weather. His stubbornness was so strong, he endured an hour outside until I finally convinced him in our long discussion to come back in. He ran away because he was asked to help his father make his bed.

We have had LE to our home several times, not because we are dysfunctional or bad parents. When a child has a piece of wooden furniture in his hands and starts swinging it at dad in a rage, or when he starts flipping the house and smashing lamps, when he is kicking out your back car window....what else do you do? And we have been told by LE to call them bc their reports are usually needed for placement into different treatment options when necessary.

My point is, I have no idea IF HD is anything like my son, but If he is...I can confirm that at times when anger takes over, common sense and judgement are absent. My step son has almost been hit by traffic several times because he “doesn’t care” and is throwing a tantrum. Thankfully, he has yet to be injured. And with lots of therapy, discipline, structure, and work from all of us, his episodes happened much less than in the past. IF HD was anything like him, it’s very possible he was angry over the phone, his mom not letting him stay home, and any other factors we may not be privy to. Again, IF HD had any ODD like disorders, it’s very possible he took off and did something without thinking logically and without regard to consequences. This could mean any risk taking behavior such as meeting up with someone, running away, injuring himself, etc.

Sorry for the long post. I just wanted to provide some insight on what I have personally witnessed bc it’s hard to imagine (at least it was for me) how a child could be so smart yet do things that indicate no common sense.

BBM:

Thank you so much for sharing your own experience.

This was an incredibly high value post!
So much so, I've bolded every word of it.

I think it's highly relevant to the discussion r/t HD, as I do think HD may very well share some of the same behavioral struggles you've described your son as having.

The scenarios you've described are exactly why some type of misadventure/accident is a very real possibility that really cannot be dismissed.

JMO.

 

[Dnp2be]

That's what gets me. I just can't believe that they didn't start calling around to friend's houses or reach out to people he knew on FaceBook to see where he was. I can't remember if it was Friday night or Saturday night that they went out of town to eat, but if my kid was missing I definitely wouldn't be doing that. Even if they thought he was mad and having a meltdown/temper tantrum I'd still want to know where my child was.

Absolutely! I cannot tell you how many times mine has been throwing a temper tantrum or having a meltdown. Not one time did I not chase after him, look for him, call anyone and everyone I could think of, etc. in fact the longest he managed to get away for was an hour. He was at the grocery store with dad and got angry because he didn’t want to be there. Once parked, he bolted. He walked home to an empty house that was indeed locked and waited with a neighbor who graciously took him in. This was yet another time we called LE. But never have we just blown off not knowing where he was. No matter how upset any of us were. As a parent, I cannot imagine “getting used to” my child disappearing without us being aware.

 

[bellyup]

*grumbles something about how ODD diagnosis needs done away with* If anyone wants information on ODD from a trauma informed perspective I'd be happy to provide it.

I really don't think anyone here should be speculating on ANY of Harley's "possible diagnosis's". There's is NOTHING reported by any official that supports that Harley has any confirmed mental illness or behavioral disorders.

 

[Stripehaven]

I don't disagree that some 14-year-olds are too impulsive and/or immature to safely be left home alone for any significant period of time.

However, if that's the case, then leaving said impulsive and/or immature teen locked outside of the home brings even more attendant risks.

There are just as many, if not more, unsafe situations kids can get into outside of the home as there are inside of it.

Locking a kid out is ****poor parenting.
In a lot of states, it's illegal.

If anyone has the timestamp of that video, I'd be curious to know what the temperature was outside the day he was locked out.

JMO.

Sadly, for some parents it’s “out of sight, out of mind.” Let the kid be someone else’s problem or at least get him out of their hair. It’s awful to think about.

 

[Dnp2be]

BBM:

Thank you so much for sharing your own experience.

It'a HIGH VALUE Post , so I've bolded every word of it.

I think it's highly relevant to the discussion r/t HD, as I do think HD may very well share some of the same behavioral struggles you've described your son as having.

This is why some type of misadventure/accident is a very real possibility that really cannot be dismissed.

JMO.

Thank you. I don’t like sharing our struggle much because honestly, people who don’t understand can be very hurtful. It’s an absolutely awful feeling when you feel like you have failed as a parent because nothing seems to work and professionals tend to assume the parents are exaggerating when we absolutely are not. (Luckily I have a wonderful daughter who shows me we are successful at parenting). Not to mention, it’s much easier to disregard something if you aren’t personally experiencing it.

I do want to add, some parents do not seem to put the extra work into having a child with behavioral issues. Whether this is due to lack of knowledge or something else, I do not know. But I have definitely witnessed this as well.