OH OH - Katelyn Markham, 22, Fairfield, 14 August 2011 - #1

[vasportsmom]

Is it possible that she got dressed and walked to a corner store? Maybe she had a craving for chocolate, started (her period) and was out of supplies at home, or smoked cigs? I'm sure LE looked at the stores' videos around her home..right? It's plausible she could grab her phone and put it in one pocket and shove another 10 or 20 bucks in the other. But that doesn't explain the dog's location? Or maybe if she thought she would be right back, she let the dog sleep on her bed...?

The one thing I want to know is whether she always parked her car in the back lot. And has her car been towed by LE?

I wish we had a better idea of what time she really went missing. I can't imagine walking to a corner store at midnight (though I'm in my mid 30's and the younger crowd does seem to have a more "I'm untouchable" mindset) but it wouldn't seem odd to wake up and realize you are out of coffee/soda/cigs and decide to head to a corner store at say 6am with just your phone and a bit of cash or maybe decide you would like a little fresh air and head to a near by park to read or take advantage of a walking path (I have no idea what is near her home). The dog being in an unusual spot and appearing to have been there for a while does throw a wrench in that though so I'm back to why would she open her door that late and who would she open it to? Do we even have proof she came home that evening/night?

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

Is it possible that she got dressed and walked to a corner store? ...It's plausible she could grab her phone and put it in one pocket and shove another 10 or 20 bucks in the other.

I thought the same thing. I never thought it particularly strange that she might have gone out in her pajamas (or the equivalent), with just her phone and a $20, because that's the kind of thing I do all the time. lol That in itself wasn't necessarily suspicious to me. I'd even walk down to a local festival in just that way, myself. I very specifically wouldn't take my purse.

 

[april_showers]

Is it possible that she got dressed and walked to a corner store? Maybe she had a craving for chocolate, started (her period) and was out of supplies at home, or smoked cigs? I'm sure LE looked at the stores' videos around her home..right? It's plausible she could grab her phone and put it in one pocket and shove another 10 or 20 bucks in the other. But that doesn't explain the dog's location? Or maybe if she thought she would be right back, she let the dog sleep on her bed...?

The one thing I want to know is whether she always parked her car in the back lot. And has her car been towed by LE?

Ooooh, interesting point, Surfie! I know I've gone through that exact scenario plenty of times in my life. Especially back when I lived alone and didn't have a roomate's "stash" to raid for candy, cigs, feminine supplies etc. Quick run to the store with just cell phone and a ten, don't disturb the dog b/c I'll be right back, etc. etc. I would however, also grab my keys - which does make me wonder a bit. Maybe Katelyn is one of those trusting types who doesn't always lock her doors? Definitely risky behavior for living alone and leaving at that time of night though. Also, there does appear to be some late-night types of places within walking vicinty - a shopping center, Burger King, CVS, McDonald's etc. I wonder if it was habit for her to venture out on her own?

 

[vasportsmom]

BUT it doesn't seem apparent WHEN she disappeared....are many of us thinking night time, because that is more sinister?? What if someone came over there early the next morning??? Seems like the window is from when JC saw her until the time she should have been at work...what 12 hours give or take? Were other people trying to call her on Sunday too??

OHHH ALSO- if Dad was moving out of there to his girlfriends...why didn't he go over there Sun and get stuff to move??? Or did he?? All day to do stuff...

I believe it was reported he was over there removing some items after LE allowed him to.

You have some really good points here and I wish LE would address what they could. The timeline is really throwing me. If she went missing closer to time to head to work (like maybe from her parking lot) that opens things up a lot. It seems that would be pretty easy to clear up if someone could figure out what clothes (or pj's) are missing from her house. I don't understand why we aren't hearing more about her cell phone pings either. Do they show that she was at home when she sent that last text/pic? Do they show her leaving her house at any point that night or was her phone disabled before she was taken? Where was JC and his phone when he received that picture? I know LE can't share everything they know but right now they are giving they public nothing to go on. A picture of her engagement ring is of no use in trying to decide where to start looking for her. Unless as someone said earlier they have a very good idea of who and why and are just waiting on more results or for them to slip up.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

Do we even have proof she came home that evening/night?

Do you mean Saturday, or Sunday? I think John Carter's statements are the only indication that's been mentioned of her actions during that time period. He said he left her safe and sound and getting ready for bed at her home Saturday night, at midnight (in his 911 call) or at 11 or 11:30 (in his subsequent interviews). They texted each other till about 1 am, while he was burning her papers in a friend's fire pit, and that was the last contact they had.

Then Sunday evening, by his statement in the video interview (http://www.wlwt.com/news/28919291/detail.html), he went to her place at 7 or 7:30 pm, after she was expected home from work, because he was worried about her non-answering of his texts and calls. He found her dog who was (unusually) closed in the bedroom, and had evidently 'been there a while' because it had 'gone to the bathroom.' That's when he freaked out and started calling 'friends, family, police.'

(Only he had to have left the apartment, gone somewhere else, and then called police on the way back to her apartment. During the 911 call, he didn't mention her dog or her empty apartment at all; he says it was seeing her car at home when she was supposed to be at work that freaked him out.)

 

[vasportsmom]

Ooooh, interesting point, Surfie! I know I've gone through that exact scenario plenty of times in my life. Especially back when I lived alone and didn't have a roomate's "stash" to raid for candy, cigs, feminine supplies etc. Quick run to the store with just cell phone and a ten, don't disturb the dog b/c I'll be right back, etc. etc. I would however, also grab my keys - which does make me wonder a bit. Maybe Katelyn is one of those trusting types who doesn't always lock her doors? Definitely risky behavior for living alone and leaving at that time of night though. Also, there does appear to be some late-night types of places within walking vicinty - a shopping center, Burger King, CVS, McDonald's etc. I wonder if it was habit for her to venture out on her own?

BBM - Darn, I forgot all about the keys being left behind. That really throws a wrench into things but maybe as you said she was just a trusting type (very dangerous but she wouldn't be the first) or maybe she was unsure of dad's plans for the day and didn't want him to arrive and be locked out? Do we know if he had his own key? I assume he did since JC did but you never know. Perhaps she even had a spare hid outside and didn't want to pack the entire keyring when she could let herself back in easily with the spare. I wish her dad or a close friend would tell us about her habits. Was she known for taking those sort of quick trips at odd hours or was there somewhere close that she liked to go and read or walk just to clear her head?

 

[vasportsmom]

Do you mean Saturday, or Sunday? I think John Carter's statements are the only indication that's been mentioned of her actions during that time period. He said he left her safe and sound and getting ready for bed at her home Saturday night, at midnight (in his 911 call) or at 11 or 11:30 (in his subsequent interviews). They texted each other till about 1 am, while he was burning her papers in a friend's fire pit, and that was the last contact they had.

Then Sunday evening, by his statement in the video interview (http://www.wlwt.com/news/28919291/detail.html), he went to her place at 7 or 7:30 pm, after she was expected home from work, because he was worried about her non-answering of his texts and calls. He found her dog who was (unusually) closed in the bedroom, and had evidently 'been there a while' because it had 'gone to the bathroom.' That's when he freaked out and started calling 'friends, family, police.'

(Only he had to have left the apartment, gone somewhere else, and then called police on the way back to her apartment. During the 911 call, he didn't mention her dog or her empty apartment at all; he says it was seeing her car at home when she was supposed to be at work that freaked him out.)

I mean Saturday evening. Aside from JC do we have any proof that she ever returned home after their trip out that day? I wish we knew when she last spoke to someone other than him and where phone records put both of their phones during those texts they were exchanging after he "left her safe and sound". I hate to keep going back to him but until something or someone backs up his version of things it is hard not to. It would also be nice to know where he was between the visit to the apartment and the 911 call. If it was the car being home that freaked him out why not call right then? If he was disturbed by the car but thought of a few other places in the neighborhood to go check why not just say that and clear that up anyway? He just keeps bringing the focus back to him and I really hope it is because he is awkward and upset and nothing more sinister.

 

[katydid23]

IMO, if she was running out at 1 am for chocolate or cigs, then she would take her car. I would think so anyway. If she did not have to be at work until noon on Sunday, does anyone know what her usual morning routine was? When my old job started at 11 am I routinely went out for bagels and coffee every morning before work. But then I suppose she would not have locked her doggie in her bedroom if that were the case.

So I keep coming back to something happening in that 1 am time frame. Someone she knew and trusted came by and said let's take a quick trip to? Get drive-through tacos, get chocolate, go get some beer? Go for a quick drive? Putting the dog away makes it seem like it was someone who made her dog nervous or bark too much. Her boyfriend would not fit that description.

 

[APIMaple]

I just don't get why she would send a picture of the picture ("the art") or whatever it was at that late time, it doesn't take hours for one of those to send so it was probably around 12:45 or later.

This is the weird thing to me. This is all weird though.

 

[pynkphysh]

The other reason LE might be tight-lipped is because she may have run off, and they may have evidence that she's okay, using her credit cards or something. She has the right to disappear and the right to privacy... Just a devil's advocate thought. Is there evidence that this is not the case that I am not aware of?

(Personally, I don't think it's in her personality to run off, she's super connected to family/friends/professionally; but, she is under a ton of pressure right now with senior projects and impending out-of-state move. I know when I was in design school, the end of terms were SO stressful, I fantasized about ways to escape the pressure).

I wish they could release more news regarding her and/or get this resolved...

 

[katydid23]

I just don't get why she would send a picture of the picture ("the art") or whatever it was at that late time, it doesn't take hours for one of those to send so it was probably around 12:45 or later.

This is the weird thing to me. This is all weird though.

I wish we knew when she herself received that 'art' picture that she sent. If she just received it herself then it might make sense. Otherwise it does seem odd. But then again, my 19 and 23 yr olds text and send pix to friends until the wee hours all of the time. It is kind of how their generation does things. So it may be an innocent coincidence.

I wish we knew if when she turned her phone off it was being charged. My DD never turns her phone off at night. She keeps it on, even when it is charging. Her bf is in a band and texts her @ 2 am or so to say goodnight. [yuck] But I find it odd that KM would turn her phone off if she was all alone at night.

 

[illinialum]

IMO, if she was running out at 1 am for chocolate or cigs, then she would take her car. I would think so anyway. If she did not have to be at work until noon on Sunday, does anyone know what her usual morning routine was? When my old job started at 11 am I routinely went out for bagels and coffee every morning before work. But then I suppose she would not have locked her doggie in her bedroom if that were the case.

So I keep coming back to something happening in that 1 am time frame. Someone she knew and trusted came by and said let's take a quick trip to? Get drive-through tacos, get chocolate, go get some beer? Go for a quick drive? Putting the dog away makes it seem like it was someone who made her dog nervous or bark too much. Her boyfriend would not fit that description.

What if someone she knew and trusted came by in the morning and said let's take a quick trip somewhere? In the same way you suggest in the above, except instead of at 1 a.m., at, say 10 a.m.? It might be less scary to answer the door and willingly leave in the morning (esp. with a trusted friend). However, it'd be more dangerous for a perp. I wonder if the neighbors observed anything...

 

[cluciano63]

LE was pretty clear yesterday that they have nothing that points to anything, whether an abduction or a runaway, etc...so I don't think they are holding back any info that she is okay and left on her own. Also he said it was a massive search effort and has maximum detectives working on her case.

I just feel like she did not send the photo...which would make a very small window for someone to come in and take her away.

 

[vasportsmom]

I wish we knew when she herself received that 'art' picture that she sent. If she just received it herself then it might make sense. Otherwise it does seem odd. But then again, my 19 and 23 yr olds text and send pix to friends until the wee hours all of the time. It is kind of how their generation does things. So it may be an innocent coincidence.

I wish we knew if when she turned her phone off it was being charged. My DD never turns her phone off at night. She keeps it on, even when it is charging. Her bf is in a band and texts her @ 2 am or so to say goodnight. [yuck] But I find it odd that KM would turn her phone off if she was all alone at night.

Tons of questions but no answers. I really wish her family or a close friend would start speaking out some just to tell the public a little more about her. I never turn my phone off either but I wonder if it was her habit to turn her cell off at night. Did she have a landline also? I'd really love to get my hands on the record of her pings for Saturday into Sunday (and while I'm making wishes it would be nice to have JC's thrown in too).

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

The other reason LE might be tight-lipped is because she may have run off, and they may have evidence that she's okay, using her credit cards or something.

If so, it's hard to imagine them conducting the largest ground search in Fairfield police department history... with helicopters over bodies of water too... I don't imagine that was cheap. ;(

 

[suzier]

At the risk of showing my lack of smarts about phone technology...I have a question. In MicroSoft Outlook and many other "e-mail" clients there are options about sending the message at a later date/time. Does that option exist in the smart phone world?

He is a scenario, far fetched as it may be. Kill girlfriend and dispose of body. Go to girlfriends place. Set her phone to send you text in the future. Go to friends house and wait for text. Go back to girlfriends house next day. Pick up her phone and put in pocket. Call Cops. Dispose of phone later.

I just don't get why she would send a picture of the picture ("the art") or whatever it was at that late time, it doesn't take hours for one of those to send so it was probably around 12:45 or later.

This is the weird thing to me. This is all weird though.

 

[katydid23]

At the risk of showing my lack of smarts about phone technology...I have a question. In MicroSoft Outlook and many other "e-mail" clients there are options about sending the message at a later date/time. Does that option exist in the smart phone world?

He is a scenario, far fetched as it may be. Kill girlfriend and dispose of body. Go to girlfriends place. Set her phone to send you text in the future. Go to friends house and wait for text. Go back to girlfriends house next day. Pick up her phone and put in pocket. Call Cops. Dispose of phone later.

I think there are apps that give you that ability to send texts at a later time. HOWEVER I think that can be seen by LE when they look at the phone. So MAYBE that is why her phone 'disappeared?'

 

[Heatherly30]

At the risk of showing my lack of smarts about phone technology...I have a question. In MicroSoft Outlook and many other "e-mail" clients there are options about sending the message at a later date/time. Does that option exist in the smart phone world?

He is a scenario, far fetched as it may be. Kill girlfriend and dispose of body. Go to girlfriends place. Set her phone to send you text in the future. Go to friends house and wait for text. Go back to girlfriends house next day. Pick up her phone and put in pocket. Call Cops. Dispose of phone later.

I believe that it has been mentioned that sometimes there is a long lag time in sending pics on phones. I went shopping for outdoor furniture one day and sent pics to my husband's phone. He never replied, so I was thinking he wasn't interested. Literally 2 months later I receive a random text from him saying "I like it." I had no idea what that meant until I scrolled up and saw the photos I had sent 2 months earlier. Not sure why it took so long. I have service through Verizon, his is a work phone through AT&T. Maybe that has something to do with it.

I doubt that this was the case with KM and JC, but with the little info we have, we can't eliminate this possibility.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

I'm sorry if I'm repeating information already posted here... but John Carter's sister posted on another forum this morning that he has already taken a lie detector test. (Though she didn't say what the results were, come to think of it.)

 

[sashasnout]

Does anyone know if her laundry facilities were located inside of her unit or somewhere else in the building? I used to have to use my building's shared washers and dryers, and would sometimes run down late at night to see if there were any open to be used (before taking any laundry with me). I wouldn't take anything with me but my phone.

Just a thought, my apologies if this has been covered already!