OH OH - Katelyn Markham, 22, Fairfield, 14 August 2011 - #2

[JeannaT]

Okay....this is what I've learned...

Bill Cunningham asked this Sheriff about whether or not JC DID or DID NOT take a LD test. He refuses to comment because the police chief won't comment yet.

BUT....Cunningham states just by the mere fact that since the police dept. is allowing search teams to come in, that's it's probably a definite that she is dead and not living a new life in another state, etc.

Bill Cunningham asked Chief Dickey a few days ago whether or not JC took a lie detector and he refused to answer.

They discussed that due to the fact that the Chief won't comment, this would mean that he failed it or that the test was inconclusive. The fact is if he passed it, the Chief would have SAID that he passed.

Also, Bill Cunningham is going to interview the Chief again in two days on his show.

I don't know how many of these cases you follow, but I've never seen LE say someone passed a LD test. Like, ever. They say the family has all been cooperative and has taken a LD test, etc., and the family will say they passed, but I've never see LE say that.

 

[ShouldBWorking]

thanks shouldbeworking

I'm listening to Bill Cunningham talking to Sheriff Jones talking about the death penalty. Is that what you're listening to?

No Willie won't be on live until noon.

 

[Chili Fries]

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BUT....Cunningham states just by the mere fact that since the police dept. is allowing search teams to come in, that's it's probably a definite that she is dead and not living a new life in another state, etc.

I don't agree with this. I've followed a whole lot of missing persons cases over the years and it's very common for LE to pursue parallel investigations when they don't know if foul play has occurred or not. It doesn't necessarily mean they've ruled out her leaving by her own free will just because there are these types of searches going on. LE can investigate different possibilities at the same time.

 

[janitor]

I think what I was listening to was from 8/30/11 (?)

The fact remains the police dept. is holding all of this close to the vest and the Sheriff was stating that they may be quietly building a circumstantial case because her body hasn't been found. He was saying that it's more difficult to prove a case in court based purely on circumstantial evidence but we all know it can and has been done before in other cases.

 

[boaps]

I'm still :fence: about JC as well.

On one hand, he says very very many sketchy things and contradicts himself quite a bit.....but on the other, there are quite a few people who freak out when they have to talk to a crowd of much more than 2 people. Having cameras shoved in your face, having the spotlight point blank on you, and having a good part of public suspicion pointed in your direction would only make that worse.

Yes, and this could explain why he gives different answers every time he is interviewed. But does it explain why his explanation of finding her missing, for example, even if you assume that the times are off, just doesn't make any sense? Why would he wait until she was supposed to be home to look for her, then get worried (horrified) that she was there, then when it turns out she's not there, he leaves, then comes back before calling 911?? Something is missing here.

I have known people who he reminds me of, and I would describe it as "unmotivated" - he does not seem to go to school, he works a pizza delivery job and lives with his mom. (Is it ok to say that he gives me the impression that he might smoke a lot of pot?) I am not sure if he is "bright" or not. He does seem to become quite confused by the details of his story, whether innocently or not. If he had something to do with this, I doubt that it was premeditated, and I am not sure how well thought-out his cover-up would be. (Just my opinion and all based on my impression of him from what we have seen)

 

[A_News_Junkie]

I am on the fence also about JC. But... I am wondering about the alleged hidden key out back. It could be very possible that if someone had been watching her for sometime they may have seen someone (KM, JC, the father etc.) take the key or put it back into its hiding space. They could have seen KM & JC arguing at the festival (if that is true), folowed them back to KM's and waited for JC to leave. They could have then used the hidden key and entered the house. The dog MAY not have barked if it was upstairs with KC, is used to hearing normal house sounds from tenants next door, and there was a thunderstorm passing through. (I have 3 large very protective dogs and there are times that people have made it to/ thru the door that the dogs didnt hear them. They bark at everything.) If KC was in her room with the dog it would be very easy for the perp to quickly overtake her with the element of suprise and possible other aids (gun, knife, an ether soaked rag will knock someon out pretty quickly, etc...) without showing signs of a struggle. KM could have tried to reach for the phone or had it already in her hand and it was damaged. Depending on the dog, (each one is different) it may or may not have tried to protect her. Some dogs just cower in fear. The dog could have been shut in the bedroom because thats where it was with KM when the perp entered. It would be easier to just shut the door on the dog than to risk it following and barking or biting.
If the festival was going on people wouldn't really think too much about an odd vehicle parked nearby, especially if it was one they had seen before. It would only take a few minutes and the perp could have had her in a car....

JMO

It is also possible that she ran downstairs to get her phone (or a snack, or bathroom and is like my teen - the phone goes everywhere teen goes!) and the person grabbed her with the dog shut up in the room. IE: maybe her dog was the kind you have to catch to get him to go to bed and so she closed the door to avoid the chase again.
Am I making sense or should I get that extra cup of coffee now?! LOL

 

[A_News_Junkie]

TES searched for Paige Johnson? When? I knew I heard rumors that they were going to come here but I was not aware they ever did. They were not part of the full scale search at East Fork, I do know that much.

If they didn't, maybe it's time, while they're here in town.

Inch - I don't think they searched for Paige. You and I have followed that case and my memory matches yours, that there were rumors but never happened that I recall. Wish they would too!

 

[janitor]

Jeanna:

The info I was giving in my post above regarding the radio show comments came from Bill Cunningham's thoughts....not my own.

 

[DianaElaine]

Well I must say I had a run in on FB with JC's aunt yesterday and can I just say....well no I can't say what I want to say or I'll get a time out. I don't understand how this family is representing him. I understand "standing by" your family member BUT I don't understand the personal attacks.

I am now up to 10 people who have sent me private messages on FB saying they are afraid to post because of the attacks but pointing out some pretty good stuff, a lot of which we have already pointed out here.

1. The weather
2. I guess people who have had contact with JC in the community prior to this say he's just not motivated, pretty "laid back", the word lazy has been used.
3. I have heard from some local searchers that are VERY reputable that JC goes to the searchers BUT he doesn't search, but his aunt is claiming he has messed up an old injury from all the searching he is doing...again haven't seen it with my own eyes.

Lazy is one thing, but gosh ... this is the one you love intensely, missing!

 

[janitor]

gee, shouldbeworking, that's what gets under my skin a little bit.

Poor Katelyn. Imagine the debt she was incurring at that Art institute trying to get her degree and working two jobs on the side. She has this boyfriend that she cares about who by the accounts we're reading on the forum, is pretty unmotivated and deprending on Katelyn to be the money-maker and the one doing all of the critical thinking in the relationship. What are his goals? What does he contribute to their financial future? And he really expected her to pull up roots and leave for Colorado without a job or any prospects?

If the story is true that they were arguing about the $100 he spent on raffle tickets that evening I can imagine her being upset. Who has money to blow like that when they are planning for a move to Colorado? And this speaks volumes about his lack of insight, irresponsibility, and immaturity.

 

[janitor]

I recall reading a post of his on facebook when he found out his car had been vandalized and the person took some goofy video of his. A friend commented something to the effect, "boy, I have never seen you that mad before".

hmmm....so this guy has a pretty bad temper even over something as minor as a video? What happens when he really loses his temper over something major?

 

[Columbo]

Yes, and this could explain why he gives different answers every time he is interviewed. But does it explain why his explanation of finding her missing, for example, even if you assume that the times are off, just doesn't make any sense? Why would he wait until she was supposed to be home to look for her, then get worried (horrified) that she was there, then when it turns out she's not there, he leaves, then comes back before calling 911?? Something is missing here.

I have known people who he reminds me of, and I would describe it as "unmotivated" - he does not seem to go to school, he works a pizza delivery job and lives with his mom. (Is it ok to say that he gives me the impression that he might smoke a lot of pot?) I am not sure if he is "bright" or not. He does seem to become quite confused by the details of his story, whether innocently or not. If he had something to do with this, I doubt that it was premeditated, and I am not sure how well thought-out his cover-up would be. (Just my opinion and all based on my impression of him from what we have seen)

bolded by me.

Thanks for saying this, boaps. I've been thinking about this ever since reading Katelyn's myspace post where she says she'll be getting high less often when JC goes off to college. I'll see if I can find the link, it's on page 2 or 3. I wasn't sure if it was appropriate to comment, either, but it sounds like he instigates drug use with her and it definitely could affect his mind/body in many ways (not to mention hers!). To me, it would explain a LOT of his behavior, and the varying stories, etc. I guess at some point he was talking about going away to school? Anyway--sounds like he's good at talking and not so good at "doing".

Here's the link: http://www.myspace.com/sublimeapc/blog Her comments were written a few years ago, but still, I think they are important.

 

[Sphere]

Looking through that myspace blog, I see a couple mentions of KM being jealous, and vague mentions to John having done something to upset her?

"Im jelous, and John is bad at keeping promises.
It happens."

"i feel as though i have become more whinny and annoying and i feel as though alot of people are mad at me alot but i dont know how to stop these thoughts so i try to block them out. katelyn has a privite blog probibly about something she was very mad about and told me that she wasent. nevertheless i can see why she would be mad...(she says shes just jealous) i understand."

The first quote seems to be from KM and the second seems to be from JC.

As has been mentioned before, these statements are a couple years old, but they might still give some insight to their relationship.

Or I could just be obsessing over little details, who knows. Just a thought though.

 

[janitor]

shouldbeworking:

I just tuned into Cunningham's show and he mentioned the topics that he would be discussing but he didn't mention the Markham disappearance. Is that your understanding?

To those of you who don't live in cincy, Bill Cunningham is a former attorney turned radio talk show host personality. A lot of people love him but I take him with a grain of salt. Loud and opinionated at times...should be more objective if you ask me. But he does ask the tough questions which I appreciate.

 

[sreshowtime]

(i had caught that too Columbo- might explain a seeming lack of motivation? And KM running behind on graduating?? Trust me I had been in that lifestyle and it messes with ya whether some admit it or not....and can make ya tempermental)


all that glitters may not be so golden

 

[cluciano63]

Inch - I don't think they searched for Paige. You and I have followed that case and my memory matches yours, that there were rumors but never happened that I recall. Wish they would too!

Maybe they never did...they have her on their page with a date set and then another date set...wonder what happened?

 

[janitor]

Okay. I slept late and I'm behind again. You guys need to stop it. LOL

Here's a thought:

Let's say they were in a heated argument between 11pm and 1:00am. Something happens to Katelyn during the argument. JC panics and sends a "picture" of a picture then he turns his phone off. He leaves the townhouse and drives to a friends house and turns his phone back on and receives this picture via his phone. Wouldn't it be critical for LE to drive the distance from the townhouse to the friend's home to see how long it would take to get there? This is all of course based on JC thinking ahead that LE could check to see where a call on his phone would "ping" when he received a text or call.

Would one of you excellent sleuths...and there are so many on this forum, post one of your wonderful detailed outlines of texts, facebook comments that are reportedly coming from Katelyn's phone and computer so we could study this a little more extensively?

 

[Redgoblin]

I notice from her myspace blog there is a comment made about 7 months ago saying you are my friend from a poster with the initials KN. This person says he studies graphic design.

Is KN a friend of both KM and JC because his recent activity on facebook mentions that he has just recently befriended JC. - Which could be considered strange? and perhaps not the sign of someone who has been friends with the couple for 7 months or more.

Although this KN could have been friends with KM, based on the comment to myspace and the art background.

His FB - https://www.facebook.com/nolandkyle?sk=wall

I don't know if this person has been mentioned before and I'm certainly not excusing him of anything. I'm just trying to figure out if JC had a possible motive?

 

[Columbo]

Looking through that myspace blog, I see a couple mentions of KM being jealous, and vague mentions to John having done something to upset her?

"Im jelous, and John is bad at keeping promises.
It happens."

"i feel as though i have become more whinny and annoying and i feel as though alot of people are mad at me alot but i dont know how to stop these thoughts so i try to block them out. katelyn has a privite blog probibly about something she was very mad about and told me that she wasent. nevertheless i can see why she would be mad...(she says shes just jealous) i understand."

The first quote seems to be from KM and the second seems to be from JC.

As has been mentioned before, these statements are a couple years old, but they might still give some insight to their relationship.

Or I could just be obsessing over little details, who knows. Just a thought though.

It sounds like they both write in this blog together (?) do people do that? It seems like they communicate through the blog when they can't say things directly to each other. I don't think you are obsessing over details, these things could all add up.

 

[Columbo]

(i had caught that too Columbo- might explain a seeming lack of motivation? And KM running behind on graduating?? Trust me I had been in that lifestyle and it messes with ya whether some admit it or not....and can make ya tempermental)


all that glitters may not be so golden

I think it explains a lot. It doesn't necessarily make him a killer, but ??? who knows.
It seems like she was trying to make something of her life and JC may have been dragging her down.