OH OH - Katelyn Markham, 22, Fairfield, 14 August 2011 - #3

[SchoolgirlShamus]

I thought Megs was the one running that page...

I think Megs may have started the page, but the other admins - who lately seem much more active than she - were Krista and Aunt Krystie. They were the "enforcers" who declared "drama" would be deleted, etc.

Yes, some content appears on both pages, mostly links to news articles and info related to searches. Some cross-posting makes sense.

Edit: they copy and pasted just the post not the comments and the post was just thanking everyone and saying she couldn't talk any more (which she continued to do in the comments)

Regardless of content, Megs said she thought it was rude that the other person took her post and put it up on the other page. If she wanted to direct that statement to the original group as well as the discussion group, she would have done it herself. It should have been up to her. I just thought it was tacky for someone else to take it upon themselves, especially considering that there is a perception of strife and rivalry between the groups (at least in some people's eyes).

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

I think if she left work Saturday evening and came home and met up with John at her townhous then something happened between the hours of 8pm and midnight. Whether she met John there or he picked her up there must have been a fierce argument. I think if they were somewhere besides the townhouse during the argument, he returned to her townhouse later and returned all of her belongings except for her phone.

Yeah, that's what I think too. I shared my thoughts earlier if you want to see them:
OH OH -- Katelyn Markham, 22, Fairfield, 14 August 2011 #3 - Page 6 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Keep in mind that scenario was IF premeditated. Though much of it could fit with a "crime of passion" scenario too.

 

[JeannieC]

I hope and pray the next search finds KM. Hopefully, it won't be as hot Tuesday and they won't have to search in that heat.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

JC's step sister verified this on the FB-CE page yesterday but didn't know what time she actually got off work that day. Of course she may be going on information from JC so I suppose we can't consider that for certain.

She did work at David's Bridal on Saturday. Two co-workers of hers mentioned it (at the time) on Facebook. DB closed at 7, then she was there for however long her post-closing tasks would take.

Her uncle said on FB that he was in communication with her (and we DON'T know that it was a phone call, he just said they communicated) around 7:45 pm that same night. He has the same last name of a person who says she's a cousin of KM's, and no other family members have challenged them, so it seems to be legit as far as we know.

 

[DimeDetective]

Dime Detective!!!!!
I SO want to see what you're seeing!!!
I tried it on my Iphone 3G (your pic above) and can see nothing!
I totally trust you and I want it to be true!!!

I'm so sorry, I should've specified: save the photo from A_News_Junkie's original post (link at the top of my previous post) to your iPhone. The "Exhibit 2" blow-up I posted won't give you anything clear to look at, unfortunately. We have the same phone, you and I, so you should be able to see it.

Looking forward to hearing back from you after you try again!

 

[baabaablacksheep]

I think Megs may have started the page, but the other admins - who lately seem much more active than she - were Krista and Aunt Krystie. They were the "enforcers" who declared "drama" would be deleted, etc.

Yes, some content appears on both pages, mostly links to news articles and info related to searches. Some cross-posting makes sense.



Regardless of content, Megs said she thought it was rude that the other person took her post and put it up on the other page. If she wanted to direct that statement to the original group as well as the discussion group, she would have done it herself. It should have been up to her. I just thought it was tacky for someone else to take it upon themselves, especially considering that there is a perception of strife and rivalry between the groups (at least in some people's eyes).

I didn't see her comment about it being rude. Although, I really don't understand that, if it was run by her family members. Unless there was a rift in the family because she was on the other page, maybe she thinks John did do it, maybe she was just tired of the people who seemed to be starting a lot of the drama while claiming they didn't want it.

 

[deelytful1]

I'm so sorry, I should've specified: save the photo from A_News_Junkie's original post (link at the top of my previous post) to your iPhone. The "Exhibit 2" blow-up I posted won't give you anything clear to look at, unfortunately. We have the same phone, you and I, so you should be able to see it.

Looking forward to hearing back from you after you try again!

Ha! I have no idea how to save it to my iPhone LOL

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

I wish I had a dime though for every time he's does a "stutter-stop" every time he makes a statement.

You'll love this, then. I transcribed it from a radio interview he did on August 18th. This interview was how I first learned of the case.

Interviewer: At what point did you think maybe there's a problem?

John Carter: Um, well uh, after I went home I sent her a good morning text message. And then I woke up the next day, and normally she sends me a good morning text message... um, but at - you know, like - she sends me something back saying thank you and all that stuff - but um, she didn't, uh, send anything. But that - that didn't entirely worry me, I just thought maybe she was busy or something, or she just woke up late for work or something... but then uh... you know, there was just, uh... I sent - she sent me, uh - or then I sent her a few more text messages, no response, and all that stuff, and uh...

(Notice he still hasn't gotten to the answer to the question. He's busy explaining why he didn't worry about her sooner in the day.)

I can chalk up a lot of this to nervousness. But I am a bit interested in this part: "I sent - she sent me, uh - or then I sent her a few more text messages" ...because as of right now, I think he performed both sides of the text conversation that occurred between their phones between midnight and 12:45.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

I didn't see her comment about it being rude. Although, I really don't understand that, if it was run by her family members. Unless there was a rift in the family because she was on the other page

Seeing how certain of her family members have behaved from the beginning, I can't imagine they were pleased with her for talking to the discussion group - or, I'm sorry, the "only go there if you want to point fingers at John and tell lies!" group.

 

[DimeDetective]

DimeDetective, this absolutely fascinating!

I have a friend here with me who is a bit techy and whatnot (though it wouldn't be hard to be techier than me), so I had him look at the pics. He questioned whether 1) JC's phone has a flash at all, and 2) whether JC's phone would reflect light in manner shown in the pic, since it seems to have a "skin" on it made of rubber, instead of a smooth glossy finish.

Then, it occurred to me that even if JC did take this infamous "last text" photo with his own phone, he'd still have to send it from her phone to his. Otherwise the phone records wouldn't match his statements.

If he was trying to make it look like she sent him the photo, and her phone was in his possession under his control, why wouldn't he just use hers to take the photo? If he took the photo with his own phone, he'd have to first get it onto her phone by whatever means, then text it to himself from hers. And I can't think why he would do that.

SchoolgirlShamus, that's great because I'm not terribly "techy" either -- I've been looking forward to presenting what I have here and hopefully getting some of my questions answered, so your post helps a lot.

Without trying too hard, I can imagine a scenario where the responsible uses his own phone to take the photo of the photo, and then manipulates texts a little later, once he's out of the townhouse. However, I'm unclear on how much information LE has when it comes to phone records. If what they're able to look at is very detailed, I think what I'm considering here "may not mean a hill of a bean," as Judge Belvin Perry said.

 

[Redgoblin]

If the perp had both phones it is possible he/she could transfer the said photo from one phone to another by bluetooth or even SD card.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

If the perp had both phones it is possible he/she could transfer the said photo from one phone to another by bluetooth or even SD card.

Would there be a record of that? Just curious. I never use Bluetooth.

 

[Redgoblin]

Would there be a record of that? Just curious. I never use Bluetooth.

I don't think there would be, unless the phone uses an index file - Some phones and mobile devices like MP3 players keep an index.dat file which keeps a record of all the user files on a device (think of it as a registry of all files a user puts on the system music and media by SD or bluetooth), however you can delete that file and once you've rebooted the system the new dat file gets replaced, meaning a clean index and no record of files.

Obviously this record is local to the phone, LE would not have this index file unless they had possession of said phone/s.

 

[summer_breeze]

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/...s-up-empty?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

12:14 AM, Sep. 4, 2011

Searchers for missing college student Katelyn Markham plan to take a few days off after finding nothing during eight hours of looking during Saturday's brutal heat.

<snipped>

The volunteers included Cincinnati restaurateur Jeff Ruby, who gave Texas EquuSearch a check for $10,000 to support the volunteer group's efforts.

 

[SchoolgirlShamus]

Just watched the local news. (JC changed his shirt)

Just wanted to thank you for this - it made me laugh. I'm tired and incredibly sad over this situation and I find humor a blessed coping mechanism, even dark sardonic humor, as would be expected with this kind of subject matter.

There have been some amusing comments in the FB discussion group, employing notorious details of the case, along the lines of, "I checked my inbox but don't see anything from you?" - "Well, you might need to wait 7 minutes." etc. etc.

One particularly funny fellow said, "If JC takes a polygraph, and one of the questions is whether he's ever taken a polygraph... will the machine break?" lol (I couldn't resist responding that the machine would probably catch fire in a rainstorm.)

 

[ShouldBWorking]

I hope and pray the next search finds KM. Hopefully, it won't be as hot Tuesday and they won't have to search in that heat.

Temps dropping tomorrow into the 70s and then back up to 80s by Friday but NOTHING like it has been these last couple of days.

John Carter: Um, well uh, after I went home I sent her a good morning text message. And then I woke up the next day, and normally she sends me a good morning text message... um, but at - you know, like - she sends me something back saying thank you and all that stuff - but um, she didn't, uh, send anything. But that - that didn't entirely worry me, I just thought maybe she was busy or something, or she just woke up late for work or something... but then uh... you know, there was just, uh... I sent - she sent me, uh - or then I sent her a few more text messages, no response, and all that stuff, and uh...

What I find "telling" is up until recently he gave the impression he had called and texted her "all day" and was growing more and more worried. We now know from his own admission he slept until 4:30 p.m. so by the time he woke up approx. 14 hours had passed since he sent the text and it didn't occur to him that "Houston we have a problem." He had to drive by her apartment when he left for work it just doesn't add up.

Seeing how certain of her family members have behaved from the beginning, I can't imagine they were pleased with her for talking to the discussion group - or, I'm sorry, the "only go there if you want to point fingers at John and tell lies!" group.

I am not sure what you mean, I go to and participate in The Consider Everything page and your comment reminds me of something "the enforcers" say. The CE page was started after JC's "camp" encouraged the page to be started and I think they grew angry when the page became more active then their Kool Aid Drinking page. The admin of that page put a lot of work into 5 scenarios last night that I think sure make you think.

I didn't see her comment about it being rude. Although, I really don't understand that, if it was run by her family members. Unless there was a rift in the family because she was on the other page, maybe she thinks John did do it, maybe she was just tired of the people who seemed to be starting a lot of the drama while claiming they didn't want it.

His sister has friend requested me and I really feel for her. She introduced them, she loves Katelyn like a sister and she is trying to be fair and think "creatively" which she says is what Katelyn would be doing if this was someone she loved. I think the sister loves him very much and she is very torn.

 

[ShouldBWorking]

http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Three-People-Shot-at-Fairfield-Nightclub/jUwf8in12EeTupwENllrRg.cspx

I am just shaking my head. For those of you NOT local, the fact that we have now had Katelyn and something like this in a month is NOT typical and I have to wonder just how prepared our PD is for all of this.

 

[~n/t~]

http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Three-People-Shot-at-Fairfield-Nightclub/jUwf8in12EeTupwENllrRg.cspx

I am just shaking my head. For those of you NOT local, the fact that we have now had Katelyn and something like this in a month is NOT typical and I have to wonder just how prepared our PD is for all of this.

Yikes. Wonder what caused the shooting? Perhaps not connected but who knows.

 

[ShouldBWorking]

Yikes. Wonder what caused the shooting? Perhaps not connected but who knows.

Would bet not connected just because of the crowd that hangs out in this bar, waiting on hubby to wake up to ask him about something else that I think happened at this bar. He use to drive a limo and he knows the scoop on the local bars.

 

[~n/t~]

Does anyone else wonder why dad had to move out so soon? I mean, couldn't he have waited another couple of months when Katelyn would be moving to Colorado? I'm guessing the dad moving out would've made it difficult for Katelyn to pay her own rent and that's why she was going to move in with JC's mom. Just wondering why the dad was so rushed to move out. It's not like he couldn't stay with his gf and continue to help Katelyn out for another 2 months or so. Very strange, imo.