OH - Ma’Khia Bryant, 16, fatally shot multiple times by Columbus police officer, 20 April 2021

[SBops]

I'm puzzled about foster mother Moore's stmt re Ma'Khia & the two former foster children arguing "all the time."

Iirc, Ma'Khia moved into the home in mid-Feb.
When did ^ two former foster children move from that home? Before or after mid-Feb?
If they both moved out before mid-Feb, how/why were they around there to argue all the time w Ma'Khia?
(Iirc, they were there that day to celebrate Moore's b'day, but that's not "all the time.")
Had they 'aged out' of foster care? Or were they living in another foster home?

Not saying the two formers should not have spent time/visited there, but if Moore knew they argued all the time, seems she would have discouraged or even prohibited their visits. Anyone???

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"... Moore has told CNN that the initial argument was started when two of her former foster children came to Columbus, Ohio, on Tuesday for her birthday....
Moore said the girls argued 'all the time' since Ma'Khia moved into the home a few months ago and she was told by one of those involved in the brawl how it broke out...."

Especially when she was not present in the home. MOO.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Maybe the older foster girls (women) had special needs? Just speculating...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Why would the reason she was in foster care have anything to do with this case? I would say that it has not been discussed because her sister is in care too and as a minor, has a right to privacy.
I am sure that it is not being kept from people for ulterior motives.

Morning!

I respectfully disagree. There isn't anything stopping her bio mom from being asked the question, and answering it. It has nothing to do with any confidentiality. She has freedom of speech just like anyone else to say what she wants to say, and the right to answer it as we have seen many parents do when asked personal questions.

CPS certainly wouldn't do anything to her if she did if you are saying if she did they would bring some kind of charges against her for telling the truth.

Believe me its going to come out in the media anyway if they continue to cover this case which they may not. Money talks...it always does because too many knows why.

It will certainly be pertinent to the investigation, and once its done the final report is reported in the media. It will certainly be to the investigators, and if 911 had been called in the past few months since she's been there. They will go back into her history to see if she's had violent outburst before, imo. Sometimes children can be placed in foster care because either the single parent or parents can't control them. They are placed in foster care with a more structured environment. The age she was placed in foster care is interesting.

So, yes the why could be for differing reasons, but Ms mom is not stopped from answering truthfully had she been asked.

I'm shocked the press didn't ask. They are usually very insensitive, and dogged to everyone else even to parents whose children were brutally murdered. The press falsely accused them of murdering their own little children.

Jmho

 

[tara83]

One of the fosters called her mom so I'm assuming they had a close and loving relationship.I think it speaks well of the foster mom of still having a relationship with them.

 

[cady]

I really want to know who that vile man is. He could have killed that girl by kicking her in the head so hard. I can't believe he hasn't been arrested already.

He spoke very briefly to MB at which point she took off to attack the girl who fell and was kicked by him. Does anyone else wonder if he may have been encouraging MB to assault? I guess we'll find out down the road, but I wonder if his fingerprints will be found on the knife, in addition to MB's.
All JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I wondered that too, like, is it normal for fosters to age out and hang around the home after? Wouldn't they just visit once in a blue moon, as they got on with their lives? Found this bit on their age/ID, from Global News, Apr 24, BBM:

“Hey, what’s going on?” Reardon asks upon exiting his vehicle at 4:44 p.m. In those next 11 seconds, Bryant was seen charging at 20-year-old Shai-Onta Lana Craig-Watkins with a kitchen knife and then moving on to 22-year-old Tionna Bonner before Reardon he yelled, “Get down!” and fired four consecutive shots into her chest.

I can only guess that they may have lived in the same area after leaving foster care. So they visited often. They seem to look at their foster mom as their mother so coming to see ones mom makes sense to me.

Perhaps they argued with M because she wasn't helping to keep her home clean or her own bedroom was messy, and she wouldn't clean her room every day?

From what I read about the foster mom keeping her home clean, and orderly was very important to her. Its part of giving them a positive structured environment. I'm sure she instilled the same in her foster children she in her care.

Perhaps M rebelled, and didnt want to do what anyone said that wasnt her foster mom.

Jmho

 

[oceanblueeyes]

One of the fosters called her mom so I'm assuming they had a close and loving relationship.I think it speaks well of the foster mom of still having a relationship with them.

She sure seems to be a wonderful person. Foster parenting can be very difficult at times.

I wish M had been there longer in her loving care because things for M may have turned out far differently. She too may have visited her foster mom often. I wish it had come to pass. I really do.

Jmho

 

[imstilla.grandma]

...
While officers took turns rendering CPR, several neighbors filled the residential street. Others stood in their driveways and doorways, shaking their heads. Some had heard the gunfire from their backyards while others were in the middle of unloading groceries from their car.

But almost every single witness that day stopped to film the aftermath of an incident they are now all too familiar with: the killing of another Black person in America at the hands of law enforcement.

“No! You ain’t shoot my (expletive) baby!” an unidentified Black man screams at the officer. “You shot my (expletive) baby!”

Reardon, who is white, responds, “She had a knife. She just went at her.”

“You have no respect for life,” another Black man, who lives across the street, can be heard yelling. “No, actually, you have no respect for Black life.”

Another neighbor was heard on body camera footage saying, “You ever hear of de-escalating? No, you guys just shoot.”

While Reardon faced recrimination at the scene, his split-second decision to shoot was commended by the national Fraternal Order of Police, which called it “an act of heroism, but one with tragic results.”

Meanwhile, Akpalo, the only Black officer who responded, began to gather and separate the various witnesses and placed them in police vehicles.

Craig-Watkins, the first woman to be attacked by Bryant, was put in the backseat where dashcam footage showed her weeping for several minutes as dozens of officers from a neighboring department arrived on the scene.

An ambulance arrived at 4:52 p.m. — 20 minutes after the initial 911 call — and left seven minutes later.

Around 5:05 p.m., as Craig-Watkins remained in the backseat, waiting to be interviewed by state investigators, audio of a judge speaking interrupts the flow of dispatches from the police radio.

The exact source of the audio wasn’t clear, but a live reading of the guilty verdict in the murder trial of Derek Chauvin, the Minneapolis police officer who killed Floyd, is heard streaming through the cruiser.

“Members of the jury, I am now going to ask you individually if these are your true and correct verdicts,” Judge Peter Cahill is heard saying on the audio. One by one the jurors begin to say yes. “Juror number 19, are these your true and correct verdicts?”

The audio is suddenly interrupted by Akpalo, who comes in to check on the witness.

“You still doing OK?” he asks.

“Yeah,” Craig-Watkins replies wearily as the officer shuts off the audio at 5:07 p.m. — with one police killing aftermath’s end colliding with the beginning of another.
https://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state-ohio/recordings-show-chaos-surrounding-makhia-bryant-shooting

 

[cady]

In the 911 call, whichever of the sisters who called, said that the two women were trying to get their "hands" on her grandma. The grandma in question was not Paula's mom, it was their father's mom. Why was she there? Did she have some supervisory role or was she just visiting? I don't know what the foster care rules are, but it seems to me that no one should be allowed in the house when the foster parent isn't home. Puzzling. JMO

 

[bballmama]

imo i don’t think ma’khia is the one who called 911. in the first, longer call, the caller states that someone is threatening to stab others. ma’khia is the only one who was reported to have/seen with a knife during all this.

my heart really hurts for ma’khia. her life was obviously full of chaos, as illustrated by the facts that she was living in a foster home, and the reports of multiple 911 calls from said foster home during the time she was living there. i have a 16 year old myself - yes, they are young adults, but they are still children. they need their family, especially their parents. <MODSNIP>

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The two former foster children were 20 and 22 so they certainly should have been aged out of the foster care system. But maybe they were having trouble living independently and still relying on their former foster mom, hence showing up to the house a lot.

I really think they had a bond with their foster mom. To them she is, and always will be their Mom.

Since their mom worked she may have asked them to check in on the ones there in her home.

I don't see anything unusual about it.

I have seen many heartwarming stories over the years how foster parents have made such a positive impact on children's lives. To the children they do become their parents forever in their eyes.

I think the two older ones also keeps their home very neat, and clean too because they learned from their foster mom it's the right thing to do.

Jmho

 

[shotgun09]

After a few hours away from this thread, I have had some time to reflect on my initial outrage over MB's mother wanting to sue Ohio's DFS. I surely don't like to see a quick reaction and finger pointing blame game going on, (which was my first reaction.) But, after a bit of thought I can now put on my WS thinking hat, and play a little ....What if? game.

What if....MB's mother learned of something awful, such as extreme negligence or abuse happened to her daughter, that caused this mother to so suddenly point a finger and blame DFS? Surely, she wouldn't be doing that over a dirty bedroom / girlfight scenario. I think there could be much more potentially nasty information out there, which we are not privy to, but a grieving parent is. Hence the lawsuit claim.

MOO
Carry on...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

...
While officers took turns rendering CPR, several neighbors filled the residential street. Others stood in their driveways and doorways, shaking their heads. Some had heard the gunfire from their backyards while others were in the middle of unloading groceries from their car.

But almost every single witness that day stopped to film the aftermath of an incident they are now all too familiar with: the killing of another Black person in America at the hands of law enforcement.

“No! You ain’t shoot my (expletive) baby!” an unidentified Black man screams at the officer. “You shot my (expletive) baby!”

Reardon, who is white, responds, “She had a knife. She just went at her.”

“You have no respect for life,” another Black man, who lives across the street, can be heard yelling. “No, actually, you have no respect for Black life.”

Another neighbor was heard on body camera footage saying, “You ever hear of de-escalating? No, you guys just shoot.”

While Reardon faced recrimination at the scene, his split-second decision to shoot was commended by the national Fraternal Order of Police, which called it “an act of heroism, but one with tragic results.”

Meanwhile, Akpalo, the only Black officer who responded, began to gather and separate the various witnesses and placed them in police vehicles.

Craig-Watkins, the first woman to be attacked by Bryant, was put in the backseat where dashcam footage showed her weeping for several minutes as dozens of officers from a neighboring department arrived on the scene.

An ambulance arrived at 4:52 p.m. — 20 minutes after the initial 911 call — and left seven minutes later.

Around 5:05 p.m., as Craig-Watkins remained in the backseat, waiting to be interviewed by state investigators, audio of a judge speaking interrupts the flow of dispatches from the police radio.

The exact source of the audio wasn’t clear, but a live reading of the guilty verdict in the murder trial of Derek Chauvin, the Minneapolis police officer who killed Floyd, is heard streaming through the cruiser.

“Members of the jury, I am now going to ask you individually if these are your true and correct verdicts,” Judge Peter Cahill is heard saying on the audio. One by one the jurors begin to say yes. “Juror number 19, are these your true and correct verdicts?”

The audio is suddenly interrupted by Akpalo, who comes in to check on the witness.

“You still doing OK?” he asks.

“Yeah,” Craig-Watkins replies wearily as the officer shuts off the audio at 5:07 p.m. — with one police killing aftermath’s end colliding with the beginning of another.
https://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state-ohio/recordings-show-chaos-surrounding-makhia-bryant-shooting

Hi there Grandma! It's always a pleasure to see you posting on any thread here. You are so gracious to put up many links for us to follow no matter which case. I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate it, and I'm sure many others do as well.

This is really terrifying to read. Without a doubt the two officers on the scene knew they were surrounded by a very hostile environment.

<modsnip>

Jmho

 

[branmuffin]

Hi there Grandma! It's always a pleasure to see you posting on any thread here. You are so gracious to put up many links for us to follow no matter which case. I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate it, and I'm sure many others do as well.

This is really terrifying to read. Without a doubt the two officers on the scene knew they were surrounded by a very hostile environment.

I mentioned earlier about the young AA man who lived across the street saying he heard the shots, but waited to see if anyone RETALIATED before he opened his door. I can't get that out of my mind. Did he think whoever fired the shots would be shot too even if they were police officers??? He has to have a valid reason for thinking the way he did.

Jmho

I don't know about you but I wouldn't go outside to investigate gun shots to see what was going on. Not until it was obvious it was over and there was a police presence. But it does beg the question what was allowed in terms of people coming over to the home.

IMO, foster homes are supposed to provide a stable environment. Allowing carte blanche when you are absent doesn't bode well for a stable environment. My personal opinion, is that the foster mom is sloughing off the seriousness of the situation and painting it in simple terms of teenage girl spats. Inviting others into the home to police a situation in your absence, even if it was on the up and up is concerning. Most of these kids are fragile and exacerbating the situation is unprofessional and dangerous.

 

[tara83]

I don't know about you but I wouldn't go outside to investigate gun shots to see what was going on. Not until it was obvious it was over and there was a police presence. But it does beg the question what was allowed in terms of people coming over to the home.

IMO, foster homes are supposed to provide a stable environment. Allowing carte blanche when you are absent doesn't bode well for a stable environment. My personal opinion, is that the foster mom is sloughing off the seriousness of the situation and painting it in simple terms of teenage girl spats. Inviting others into the home to police a situation in your absence, even if it was on the up and up is concerning. Most of these kids are fragile and exacerbating the situation is unprofessional and dangerous.

Sadly I think her birth mom and dad are blaming others the same way.Not one adult is looking in the mirror right now.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

She is certainly within her rights to pursue a case against the Family Services department. Whether she would be successful is a different story. And I recall thousands of people announcing a G******Me drive when people die or go missing. Suzanne Morphew's family did so, and they are millionaires.

I can't comprehend any grieving parents even having that thought this soon.

I think any parents who loves their child would still be in a stage of overwhemimg grief.

We have read about cases here when parents have lost a child or children, and some said they had to seek treatment from doctors just so they could make it through the day, and that went on for weeks or even longer.

I don't think anything can hurt worse, and so deeply than when they have lost their child. Even years later we see them on ID or OWN how the pain is still as deep, and raw as the day they lost them. The police officers in so many of these true cases also cry like a baby even though it may have happened three decades ago.

She certainly has a right to being a lawsuit. Anyone can bring one against anyone for anything. But doing it this soon or even being able to think about it I don't know how she can even have that idea in her mind at this time.

Has it been disclosed who her civil attorney is going to be? TIA!

Jmho

 

[Lemon Drop]

the video of a 16 year old in tye-dye crocks is to much to bear. MOO I think the officer didn't have time to think he just reacted. but why shoot to kill and not shoot to injure? He was a marksman he knows how to aim.

 

[shotgun09]

I can't comprehend any grieving parents even having that thought this soon.

I think any parents who loves their child would still be in a stage of overwhemimg grief.

We have read about cases here when parents have lost a child or children, and some said they had to seek treatment from doctors just so they could make it through the day, and that went on for weeks or even longer.

I don't think anything can hurt worse, and so deeply than when they have lost their child. Even years later we see them on ID or OWN how the pain is still as deep, and raw as the day they lost them. The police officers in so many of these true cases also cry like a baby even though it may have happened three decades ago.

She certainly has a right to being a lawsuit. Anyone can bring one against anyone for anything. But doing it this soon or even being able to think about it I don't know how she can even have that idea in her mind at this time.

Has it been disclosed who her civil attorney is going to be? TIA!

Jmho

Could it be the 'Willie Wonka' of all civil attorneys? Tune in....

 

[sds71]

I can't comprehend any grieving parents even having that thought this soon.

I think any parents who loves their child would still be in a stage of overwhemimg grief.

We have read about cases here when parents have lost a child or children, and some said they had to seek treatment from doctors just so they could make it through the day, and that went on for weeks or even longer.

I don't think anything can hurt worse, and so deeply than when they have lost their child. Even years later we see them on ID or OWN how the pain is still as deep, and raw as the day they lost them. The police officers in so many of these true cases also cry like a baby even though it may have happened three decades ago.

She certainly has a right to being a lawsuit. Anyone can bring one against anyone for anything. But doing it this soon or even being able to think about it I don't know how she can even have that idea in her mind at this time.

Has it been disclosed who her civil attorney is going to be? TIA!

Jmho

Attorney Michael Wright with the Wright & Schulte Law Firm is now representing the family.

MOO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Sadly I think her birth mom and dad are blaming others the same way.Not one adult is looking in the mirror right now.

Tara, it sure looks like that's the case. They need to look in the mirror before placing blame elsewhere.

Does her dad, and mom live together? Has it been disclosed if her dad was always active in Ms life? Tia!

I did read an article last year that said 70 percent of AA children are being raised by a single parent.

Imo, a father's role to children is vitally important to any child as their mothers are. We must find a way for children to have more positive male role models in their lives. I know many police officers take their off time to be positive mentors to so many children in need, but we need many more. We do have those in organizations who also mentor but so many children need even more to help them.

I know some fathers can be very abusive because I grew up enduring a very abusive father, but they're millions of great dads that far outnumber the bad ones. I'm extremely blessed to be happily married to one, and so are our five children. In fact more, and more fathers are being given full custody of their children now.

Jmho