VERDICT WATCH OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #85

[pcrum12]

Other things that stood out were:

The morning after story ..either he was lying or the recipient of the murder truck was. Timelines dont match, apparently BW was in 2 places at once! GW4s answer to that 1? His cousin was mistaken.

When they were talking about GW4s multiple sks's, Canepa asked if there were any stored at the FW and he said words to the effect of no IT was not. Lil slip there imo.

On a wire tap GW4 said to JW "you should have destroyed the laptop". This was apparently b4 GW4 new JW was guilty. ALARM BELLS! Why/how would he say that if he had no idea?

He also lied about the time he went to bed.

Just these few points and the fact that he was sparring with Canepa and sidestepping every single question that pertained to the actual murders showed me hes, if nothing else, lying. Why is he lying about something hes not involved in. Why is he lying when his mother and brother are apparently trying to frame him? Complicity was proved to me BARD.

When did he ask for the transcript? Are you talking earlier on in the trial? Canepa asked him twice if he needed to refer to it on cross.

He did ask and she changed line of question and did not offer to let him read it

 

[arielilane]

Other things that stood out were:

The morning after story ..either he was lying or the recipient of the murder truck was. Timelines dont match, apparently BW was in 2 places at once! GW4s answer to that 1? His cousin was mistaken.

When they were talking about GW4s multiple sks's, Canepa asked if there were any stored at the FW and he said words to the effect of no IT was not. Lil slip there imo.

On a wire tap GW4 said to JW "you should have destroyed the laptop". This was apparently b4 GW4 new JW was guilty. ALARM BELLS! Why/how would he say that if he had no idea?

He also lied about the time he went to bed.

Just these few points and the fact that he was sparring with Canepa and sidestepping every single question that pertained to the actual murders showed me hes, if nothing else, lying. Why is he lying about something hes not involved in. Why is he lying when his mother and brother are apparently trying to frame him? Complicity was proved to me BARD.

When did he ask for the transcript? Are you talking earlier on in the trial? Canepa asked him twice if he needed to refer to it on cross.

Yes, and IMO, sleeping is not an alibi. How convenient, first he tells BCI at the border he went to bed at 12:30 am, but testified to a 10:00 pm bedtime. He needed to change the time (MOO) because the time of death for CRsr and GR was around 11:00 pm on April 21.

 

[iulia]

Not sure if The Docket on Twitter was an approved source, so I won’t link, just say that IMO one of the AW’s jail incident reports he twitted yesterday is interesting, the one dated 07/06/2019..

 

[Pru2U]

Not sure if The Docket on Twitter was an approved source, so I won’t link, just say that IMO one of the AW’s jail incident reports he twitted yesterday is interesting, the one dated 07/06/2019..

He’s not but he needs to be. He digs up some awesome paperwork, doesn’t he?

 

[Chelly]

As far as we know, has judge ruled on the charges against GW4 that will be submitted to the jury? I believe the original charges were:
Aggravated murder (8 counts)
Conspiracy to commit aggravated murder (8 counts)
Aggravated burglary
Tampering with evidence
Forgery

 

[iulia]

He’s not but he needs to be. He digs up some awesome paperwork, doesn’t he?

Yes, he’s really good at chasing that paper.

 

[pamelado2]

You know that before this trial i was 100% sure George was guilty. The lack of evidence against him changed my mind. I am sure it changed the minds of others on here also.

JMo

Not me, no matter what my question is WHY. If George had no knowledge before during or after why would they want him in jail!?!?!? They may have given testimony in this trial that made people think they can't stand each other, but they obviously get along just fine. They chose to drive truck together. I have a friend who has 3 brothers, he would only drive with one of them. George himself complained that Jake was too honest. George doesn't have that problem. And I'm not implying that Jake isn't a liar, but lying about George being involved doesn't benefit anyone.

What evidence is there against Jake for that matter?

 

[CIA Team Member]

Not sure if The Docket on Twitter was an approved source, so I won’t link, just say that IMO one of the AW’s jail incident reports he twitted yesterday is interesting, the one dated 07/06/2019..

All the reports seem very interesting....including the "keep apart" order 9/2021.

 

[pcrum12]

I don't understand why no one thinks that a state prosecution team would not benefit from Jake/Angela lying.... I mean I don't really know but I am open minded to the fact that state prosecutors make deals all the time to benefit them to WIN. It's ALL about the WIN. It's in the news all the time. AC lost her last job - she needs this WIN. And she needs all FOUR. Even when it comes out as an innocent person convicted, state prosecutors are notorious to never admit they are wrong and fight tooth and nail to keep innocent people in jail and even on death row. It's an Ego thing. A Money thing (exonerated suing). I really have no inside information if George is innocent or guilty but I don't think its unheard of for a prosecution team to offer a deal ONLY if you give me XYZ. So the fear of the death penalty for all 4 may have outweighed George actually being innocent in Jake/Angela's mind. FEAR. I'm not saying I know this to happen here but it does happen and happens more than you think. I firmly believed all 4 Guilty before this trial. I still think George may be guilty BUT, I see reasonable doubt but I'm not on the jury so it really doesn't matter what I think I guess.

 

[Dudly]

I don't understand why no one thinks that a state prosecution team would not benefit from Jake/Angela lying.... I mean I don't really know but I am open minded to the fact that state prosecutors make deals all the time to benefit them to WIN. It's ALL about the WIN. It's in the news all the time. AC lost her last job - she needs this WIN. And she needs all FOUR. Even when it comes out as an innocent person convicted, state prosecutors are notorious to never admit they are wrong and fight tooth and nail to keep innocent people in jail and even on death row. It's an Ego thing. A Money thing (exonerated suing). I really have no inside information if George is innocent or guilty but I don't think its unheard of for a prosecution team to offer a deal ONLY if you give me XYZ. So the fear of the death penalty for all 4 may have outweighed George actually being innocent in Jake/Angela's mind. FEAR. I'm not saying I know this to happen here but it does happen and happens more than you think. I firmly believed all 4 Guilty before this trial. I still think George may be guilty BUT, I see reasonable doubt but I'm not on the jury so it really doesn't matter what I think I guess.

Pretty much everything said about the Prosection is the same for the Defense. Win at all costs even if it means getting a guilty person off free..

 

[Cool Cats]

Not sure if The Docket on Twitter was an approved source, so I won’t link, just say that IMO one of the AW’s jail incident reports he twitted yesterday is interesting, the one dated 07/06/2019..

Who tweeted it? Would like to see it thank you.

Should be approved source if it is a MSM reporter.

 

[Pru2U]

I don't understand why no one thinks that a state prosecution team would not benefit from Jake/Angela lying.... I mean I don't really know but I am open minded to the fact that state prosecutors make deals all the time to benefit them to WIN. It's ALL about the WIN. It's in the news all the time. AC lost her last job - she needs this WIN. And she needs all FOUR. Even when it comes out as an innocent person convicted, state prosecutors are notorious to never admit they are wrong and fight tooth and nail to keep innocent people in jail and even on death row. It's an Ego thing. A Money thing (exonerated suing). I really have no inside information if George is innocent or guilty but I don't think its unheard of for a prosecution team to offer a deal ONLY if you give me XYZ. So the fear of the death penalty for all 4 may have outweighed George actually being innocent in Jake/Angela's mind. FEAR. I'm not saying I know this to happen here but it does happen and happens more than you think. I firmly believed all 4 Guilty before this trial. I still think George may be guilty BUT, I see reasonable doubt but I'm not on the jury so it really doesn't matter what I think I guess.

There has been much discussion about how this trial was all about Jake and Angela. All of the charges are the same so here is a question I haven’t seen asked:

Disregard Jake’s confession. Did the evidence prove Jake guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?

Why or why not?

Disregard Angela’s confession.
Did the evidence prove Angela guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?

Why or why not?

Something to think about:
If the answer is no, we can assume all of the work BCI did was in vain, the prosecution did not prove their case and the alleged killers go free.

 

[Piffcat]

im sure canepa will do the closing but i really hope not. i dont like the defense tactics, but there were good points. i feel canepa put too much effort into proving the "crime family" angle and did not concentrate enough on the actual murder conspiracy. they are 2 different things. now before they had co defendants testifying the continuing criminal enterprise is a way to link all 4 together in order to secure indictments, no bail etc. its saying we know these 4 people did this and we can prove it but we cant prove exactly who did what. once they had jake and angela, the pressure of "continuing enterprise" should have been toned down and the mechanics of the murder should have been turned up.
1. angela destroyed g4 alibi. this is huge and ignored. angela is a lier yes, but she is admitting to be part of the murders AND THAT SHE WAS HOME ALONE NIGHT OF. she is blowing g4s fairy princess pathetic alibi away here, but its never presented to the jury that way
2. she let jake shy away from the details way too much. you can tell he started going over areas where he could be vague to help george like when the bodies magically move while hes getting the hard drive.
3. extra bullets in franky. theres no way billy did this. it was g4 all the way. its been shown he had a personal friendship with franky at one point he might have been the target of g4s anger for some reason. usually soured friendships turn to hate not indifference. something bad and overboard happened in that bedroom and not nearly enough time was spent on it. i dont believe for a second jake shot both of them at once. he was petrified of franky.
4. back off the tabitha stuff. yes its horrible hes horrible. but it only goes to background of motive and has no real bearing on the actual murders

 

[Pru2U]

Who tweeted it? Would like to see it thank you.

Should be approved source if it is a MSM reporter.

He is not a MSM reporter, he is a source for MSM reporters. He has been in the trial every day except one that I know of.

 

[Myland]

Not me, no matter what my question is WHY. If George had no knowledge before during or after why would they want him in jail!?!?!? They may have given testimony in this trial that made people think they can't stand each other, but they obviously get along just fine. They chose to drive truck together. I have a friend who has 3 brothers, he would only drive with one of them. George himself complained that Jake was too honest. George doesn't have that problem. And I'm not implying that Jake isn't a liar, but lying about George being involved doesn't benefit anyone.

What evidence is there against Jake for that matter?

Jmo regarding evidence on Jake, the first two to three weeks of George’s trial was evidence against Jake. During that time the state proved to me Jake did it and this was without Jake’s testimony. Jmo

 

[pcrum12]

Pretty much everything said about the Prosection is the same for the Defense. Win at all costs even if it means getting a guilty person off free..

of course. It's a Win at all cost mentality. Both sides.

 

[pcrum12]

There has been much discussion about how this trial was all about Jake and Angela. All of the charges are the same so here is a question I haven’t seen asked:

Disregard Jake’s confession. Did the evidence prove Jake guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?

Why or why not?

Disregard Angela’s confession.
Did the evidence prove Angela guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?

Why or why not?

Something to think about:
If the answer is no, we can assume all of the work BCI did was in vain, the prosecution did not prove their case and the alleged killers go free.

I certainly IMO seen the ballistics and other evidence presented that proved both Jake and Angela guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Receipts, ballistics, etc. However, I didn't see the evidence for George, only Jake and Angela testimony

 

[dgfred]

When 2 out of 4 conspirators plead guilty to the same crime and the evidence basically fits what they are pleading to... why would you not believe them? May not fit perfectly but that is a price they pay because one was at the crime scenes and the other was only involved in the planning.

Mary and the crew plan a crime
Mary stays at the hideout
One of the crew drives but is not involved in the crime
The others of the crew commit the crime

Everybody guilty!

 

[Chelly]

I certainly IMO seen the ballistics and other evidence presented that proved both Jake and Angela guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Receipts, ballistics, etc. However, I didn't see the evidence for George, only Jake and Angela testimony

The jury may agree with you on this.

 

[Pru2U]

I certainly IMO seen the ballistics and other evidence presented that proved both Jake and Angela guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Receipts, ballistics, etc. However, I didn't see the evidence for George, only Jake and Angela testimony

Beyond a reasonable doubt?

Which receipts put Jake and/or Angela at any of the Rhoden residences that night?
The shoes? Did the evidence prove who was wearing the shoes?
The maglite? Did the evidence prove who made it into a suppressor?
The rest of the items? Did the evidence prove who used them?
What specifically about the ballistic evidence proved who fired the weapons?
What evidence puts Jake and/or Angela at the scene that night?

Again, take away the confessions.

What evidence proves Jake and/or Angela guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?

What evidence proves ONLY Jake and/or Angela guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?

And finally, what evidence rules out George & Billy? Beyond a reasonable doubt, of course?