GUILTY OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #86

[NLM1234]

He was shot more than once with the SKS too. Wilson said so today. Couldn't tell for sure, but it looked like he said at least three .30 cal shots while still on his feet, maybe four.

I did not hear Wilson say CRSR was shot more than once with SKS.

I looked up Coroner's testimony (Day 7), and she stated that CRSR was shot only once (gunshot # 9) with high-powered rifle. Gunshots 1--8 were all made with similar weapon. We later learned that was a Glock 40 cal. MOO

 

[CIA Team Member]

Will 4 be transported to the courthouse tomorrow or will he have to wait until the jury reaches a verdict? Will he be in jail issued clothes when verdict is read or his biker vest?

Not sure on question #1.

He has the option to remain in street clothes as he's still considered not guilty until the verdict is read.

JMO

 

[CIA Team Member]

I wonder which parents family bloodline had mental health issues/history. I, too, believe JW is warped. I wonder how all of them would be diagnosed according to the DSM-5

I'm thinking in this particular scenario, it was how they all were raised. We know how the FW family operated and Rita. Seems generational crimes were committed and no one seemed to ever pay the price for their actions. So, they kept pushing the goal post, per se.
Undereducation didn't help them here.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Not sure what "conduct" means. Jake led them to the murder weapons because it was part of his plea agreement. JMO, Jake wanted to end it, get it off his chest.



I don't recall Jake saying that, ICBW. I'm not sure what difference it makes. She was shot multiple times. It was dark.

It was dark.

Not according to Jake. He said Hannah's bedroom was lit up brighter than the courtroom.

 

[rsd1200]

Jmo I think Jake killed all but maybe not Gary. I think Billy shot cr and Gary inside. I don’t buy Billy banged on kr door a couple times then when in and kr didn’t wake. He didn’t say pecked he said banged. I think Jake went in and shot kr in the eye just like Hg and Fr.

I would agree but for the fact that KR was shot with the same firearm as CR1 and GR. I feel JW took the five he actually murdered and left those three b/c dear ole Dad took care of his former biz partner. KR was leaving and GR was coming in. Where did G3 fit? Probably nowhere, except hustling deals, and kowtowing.

 

[CIA Team Member]

Jmo when finally admitted to guilt I feel he left quite a bit out. I am sure over then 60 to 70 years or however long he lives he will give out many different stories about that night to many different people. And those stories will be just like his chicken story even he won’t know if what he says happened or not. Jmo

Agree with this statement you laid out.

 

[Bridginadentata]

Jmo I may be the only one but I think Parker did a great job. I didn’t know Angela stated the wrong color of truck. And I didn’t know Billy told her to get two pair of shoes. At thanksgiving I had someone say you know how tall and big so and so is (about same height at Billy) and guess what size of shoe he wears? They said 12. And that folks could be the reason the state never told shoe size because Billy and George may be the same size. And defense can’t use the size either if Billy and George are same size. Jmo

You’re not the only one. I thought he brought together the case for reasonable doubt clearly and concisely.

 

[Puzzles8]

Will 4 be transported to the courthouse tomorrow or will he have to wait until the jury reaches a verdict? Will he be in jail issued clothes when verdict is read or his biker vest?

My hunch is that he will be in his biker vest (for the last time) when the verdict is read. He is considered innocent until the jury renders their verdict to the judge.

After that day, I think he will be in jail strips until the day he dies.

JMO

 

[pamelado2]

The thing is no matter how Jake may have messed up telling the story, messed up the timeline, etc Wilson made the points he needed to. Why didn't George tell the CC company the charge was fraud? Why did he sign the custody papers? Etc, etc

I want that list of 20 things

 

[justtrish]

I think he lied, making her reaction seem dismissive so as to justify the story that his family was trying to "save" S from made up dangers.

Think about how all of us here can hear the same information delivered the same way and still conclude 2 different things and feel 2 different ways about how the person delivered it.

I think it's possible Hannah did say something like Jake we will cross that bridge when we get to it or if it happens, then we will figure it out. In her mind not being dismissive, but maybe just tired of hearing him go on and on about this every time they talk. I can see it being said like that as in I guess if it happens we deal with it then.

He heard that and decided she meant she didn't care of it happened and they would just deal when it did happen. He was looking for a reason to be upset. I think he was looking for an excuse or something to bring back to momma to show her he was taking this seriously and look what he found out. I think Angela just had a field day with any an all info her boys could bring back to her about whatever was going on in their lives. She was digging up her stuff on the computer, but they were the eyes and ears and maybe they did this for her approval.

 

[rsd1200]

My hunch is that he will be in his biker vest (for the last time) when the verdict is read. He is considered innocent until the jury renders their verdict to the judge.

After that day, I think he will be in jail strips until the day he dies.

JMO

Oh, Puzzles, biker vest? Noooo. I do agree, though, G4's battleship is pretty likely sunk. This poll is much smaller but is running pretty close to the others I've seen. Guilty and Hung Jury have picked up some of the "Not Guilty" in the last little bit.

 

[Puzzles8]

Oh, Puzzles, biker vest? Noooo. I do agree, though, G4's battleship is pretty likely sunk. This poll is much smaller but is running pretty close to the others I've seen. Guilty and Hung Jury have picked up some of the "Not Guilty" in the last little bit.

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Okay, maybeeeee not a biker's vest!

Maybe just a vest for a slick, rich and entitled country boy?

Or maybe was that part of Parker's angle, trying to prove G4 was different from his family?

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

That all of them helped in the plan to keep Tabby away from her son, giving George complete control of him, is one more motive for George to go along with helping Jake keep HR away from her daughter - giving Jake complete control of her.

As Betty pointed out, another reason for George to support HR's murder was her support of Tabby wanting more access to her son. Hanna could be supportive of Tabby getting custody etc....Hanna could "gang up"
with Tabby, "compare notes" etc....Facebook hacking showed they communicated.

Also, George bought into the lies about Elizabeth, that she could not be trusted around the children, thus, he didn't trust his niece being around any men in Hanna's life. George was paranoid about SA. George said to protect S, he would take her away from Jake and Elizabeth.

Point is, we have been saying for years that George had "no skin in the game" no reason to involve himself in Jake's custody issues. But George did have some of his own personal reasons for wanting Jake to get what he had, full custody.

George and his family were right in the middle of a plot to keep Tabby away from her son long enough for George to claim she had abandoned him.

All my opinion.

And I think George liked the idea of raising the 2 children together. It was a benefit to George for his son to have a child his own age to play with, to be home schooled with, etc....

The Wagners committed crimes together, did everything together, even ran errands together and this includes planning murder together.

I think George probably wishes he was in family court right now over custody of his son. But he is not. He is on trial for murder NOT a broken marriage.

This is all in court testimony, so I am not bashing Tabbi. This is actually part of the courts record, so I am stating facts that were brought out in court and have been made a huge part of this murder trial. Every single day we heard Tabbi mentioned in court. Several times a day. She has actually been mentioned about 10 times more than George has who is the defendant.

This is one of the things that has so irritated me about this case. It has absolutely nothing to do with the murders.

Tabbi is alive, so is Beth. George did not kill his ex wife. He gave her money for her fine. He took her to court to pay that fine. He dropped a protective order against her that the judge had put on her. He took her out to movies and dinner. He tried to reconcile with her "Work it out, fix things" until he found out she was still having sex with her best friends dad. That's when he called it quits and got a divorce. Even then he offered to get her an attorney. When he went to AK he offered to fly her and her daughter up there, pay all her expenses, but she refused because her husband didn't want her to go. So once again she chose a man over her son. He was as fair with Tabbi as he could possibly be. A lot more fair than most men would have been in that situation.

He did not take BW from Tabbi. She wrote him a note and told him she didn't want to take BW with her. At that point she abandoned BW for a different life. She couldn't or wouldn't be tied down by a child. She wouldn't even go file for custody of BW until BCI told her to. I have no sympathy for Tabbi and the fact that she cancelled many appointments to see her son or didn't show up because George didn't want the man she was cheating on him with there at his house or her mother who held her down so her stepdad could sexually abuse her. That is very understandable I think. Why would Tabbi ever have anything to do with her mother after she was grown.

Tabbi is no victim. Other than her saying George slapped her after she bit him and kneed him in the cajones she did not mention any other physical abuse in the 10 or 12 + years she knew him or was married to him. That is DV alright. But she was the aggressor not him. Any other man would have knocked her into the middle of next week for biting him and kneeing him in the groin.

I felt sorry for her at first. That wore off some when Parker had her on cross. After hearing George's side I think he was well rid of her.

And George never laid a hand on Beth. Ever. So where is she a victim of DV from George.

It's like Parker said, George didn't kill Tabbi, he didn't kill Beth whom he disliked intensely, so why would he go along with a plan to kill Hannah, who he shared many pleasant times and memories with and who he said he cared about?

I just hope there are some people with common sense on that jury that sees through the state's BS.

This is just my opinion.

 

[twall]

Watching Vinnie Politan's Court TV coverage on it now and the guests are cracking me up! Calling AW Ma Barker.

 

[ColMustard]

I did not hear Wilson say CRSR was shot more than once with SKS.

I looked up Coroner's testimony (Day 7), and she stated that CRSR was shot only once (gunshot # 9) with high-powered rifle. Gunshots 1--8 were all made with similar weapon. We later learned that was a Glock 40 cal. MOO

Just going by what I saw today. He said, while making motions with his body, CR was hit in the arm, whipped around (talked about blood spatter) bent over and was hit in the face with splinters, then took rounds in the top of his head. He mentioned a shot through the heart (and I believe he meant while standing) . Some shots were after he was on the floor.

I'm done reciting and fetching timestamps. If you anyone thinks I'm lying, go watch today's video and see if you still think so.

Y'all tell it the way you want. It's in the hands of the jury now.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I quit scrolling after seeing FR. I thought it was quite tacky. I think everyone has seen enough of that in the jury and the families. They have the pics if they want to look at the deceased again in the jury room. Showboating the dead... AC in her stride.

Yes that was a very dirty trick and then she pretended like she didn't know how to operate the slide show. Geez get someone with some experience to run it. that was painful for me to see, i can only imagine how the families felt.
JMO

 

[ohioexpat63]

Tabbi and Beth are alive today because they capitulated to the 4 wagner murderers and got the heck out of dodge while the getting was good!

 

[Puzzles8]

I think George probably wishes he was in family court right now over custody of his son. But he is not. He is on trial for murder NOT a broken marriage.

This is all in court testimony, so I am not bashing Tabbi. This is actually part of the courts record, so I am stating facts that were brought out in court and have been made a huge part of this murder trial. Every single day we heard Tabbi mentioned in court. Several times a day. She has actually been mentioned about 10 times more than George has who is the defendant.

This is one of the things that has so irritated me about this case. It has absolutely nothing to do with the murders.

Tabbi is alive, so is Beth. George did not kill his ex wife. He gave her money for her fine. He took her to court to pay that fine. He dropped a protective order against her that the judge had put on her. He took her out to movies and dinner. He tried to reconcile with her "Work it out, fix things" until he found out she was still having sex with her best friends dad. That's when he called it quits and got a divorce. Even then he offered to get her an attorney. When he went to AK he offered to fly her and her daughter up there, pay all her expenses, but she refused because her husband didn't want her to go. So once again she chose a man over her son. He was as fair with Tabbi as he could possibly be. A lot more fair than most men would have been in that situation.

He did not take BW from Tabbi. She wrote him a note and told him she didn't want to take BW with her. At that point she abandoned BW for a different life. She couldn't or wouldn't be tied down by a child. She wouldn't even go file for custody of BW until BCI told her to. I have no sympathy for Tabbi and the fact that she cancelled many appointments to see her son or didn't show up because George didn't want the man she was cheating on him with there at his house or her mother who held her down so her stepdad could sexually abuse her. That is very understandable I think. Why would Tabbi ever have anything to do with her mother after she was grown.

Tabbi is no victim. Other than her saying George slapped her after she bit him and kneed him in the cajones she did not mention any other physical abuse in the 10 or 12 + years she knew him or was married to him. That is DV alright. But she was the aggressor not him. Any other man would have knocked her into the middle of next week for biting him and kneeing him in the groin.

I felt sorry for her at first. That wore off some when Parker had her on cross. After hearing George's side I think he was well rid of her.

And George never laid a hand on Beth. Ever. So where is she a victim of DV from George.

It's like Parker said, George didn't kill Tabbi, he didn't kill Beth whom he disliked intensely, so why would he go along with a plan to kill Hannah, who he shared many pleasant times and memories with and who he said he cared about?

I just hope there are some people with common sense on that jury that sees through the state's BS.

This is just my opinion.

You bring up some good points.

I do differ with your opinion on Tabi and EW. I strongly feel that if they didn't leave/escape/give up custody they might not be alive today.

Sadly, HMR didn't escape in time. She stood up to the Wagners and tried to keep S.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I see both Billy and Angela in George. I think he is manipulative just like his mother. Look at Jake trying to be the voice of reason when talking to his mother. He was trying to defense Beth. I wonder how many times he tried to defense Hannah? Not saying he is a good person at all, but people do get wore down. How much did he really believe vs finally just gave in to his mother saying xyz and said okay fine. George seems to like to start crap just like his mother does. He is fueling all the fires about Beth. He is going to raise Sophia himself if he has to. Who is all wired up about BCI following them and how he outsmarted that car and figured it all out. Who is all proud they didn't get stopped at the border. I think George is a lot like Angela. I think he also is a lot like Billy and that just might be why Billy and him clashed and fought so much.

So who do you think Jake took after? Ted Bundy? Jeffery Dahmer? Maybe Charlie Manson?

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Just got online, many pages behind. Ya'll type fast!

I missed where George 4 told Jake "if they have the gun they have the silencer". Can anyone lead me to this? Testimony or closing argument maybe?

I'm probably not even half way through closing, can you believe it takes me an hour to listen to an hour of closing.

It's not in any of it. That was never introduced at trial. More of the state's BS.

JMO