OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered - 4 Wagner Family Members Arrested #89

[RAISINISBACK]

Jake did say he would cooperate/testify at the other trials in his plea deal. I am not sure about Angela's plea deal. I believe she did agree to cooperate, but not sure. We did not get to see hers. Her lawyer stated at her sentencing she intended to continue to cooperate but that could change, I guess.
I thought once the judge sentenced them before Billy's trial that did away with the requirement that they had to testify. They already got their sentence. Before that (he) had to testify to keep their sentence/plea deal.
The State is appealing both of their sentence/terms.

Jake did say he would cooperate/testify at the other trials in his plea deal.

Jake is a notorious liar. I do not think for one minute he will keep his word unless forced to. Covert Operative I may be wrong, but I see Fred's hand in all this chaos. I think the whole mess is designed to keep Jake and Angie's testimony out so Billy can walk free. It has been her goal all along to have him out of jail. Never once has she admitted that her son, DIL and grandsons committed such a monstrous crime. Never once has she expressed remorse that her family did this even when Jake told the whole world they did do it. Never once has she apologized to the victims' families for the actions of her own family. I truly do not know how she sleeps at night. She is absolutely an entitled, soulless gutter rat.

An update on my great niece. The suspect has confessed and will be sentenced next month. Even that sorry excuse for a human being apologized to us and said he never meant to kill her but just subdue her and stop her screaming. I hope he gets the death penalty. Oklahoma is famous for executing DP prisoners and I hope his stay in prison is particularly painful. He callously snuffed out a beautiful girl's life who could have made a difference in this world as an oncologist. How many sick people did he kill by taking the life of an intelligent girl who may have developed a cure for cancer or at the very least healed many people diagnosed with this terrible disease? As of yet I cannot find forgiveness in my heart for him, so please everyone pray that one day I can.

JMO
Raize

 

[PrairieWind]

I’m confused. Why would the testimony in George’s trial be admissible if they refuse to testify? Why wouldn’t the right to confront your accusers apply to Billy’s trial?

Ps please keep politics out of the discussion on things that haven’t happened. For one thing Presidents have no power to pardon convictions in state courts only federal courts. https://www.americanbar.org/advocac.../dec-2020-wl/legal-fact-check-pardons-1220wl/

They can and will be subpoenaed to Billy's trial. They may try to take the 5th Amendment and not testify. The Court will decide if they can or not. Regardless, their prior statements can be admitted as evidence. They are sitting right there to dispute them if they like and are available for cross examination by the Defense, even if they take the 5th. The 6th amendment right to confront doesn't guaranty a cooperative witness.

 

[rescuemom]

I've lost track, is Hein still the judge on this case

 

[Covert Operative]

I've lost track, is Hein still the judge on this case

Yes he is as of now. Hopefully he will find a reason that he needs to step aside.

 

[Covert Operative]

This is the brief filed on behalf of Angela Wagner by her appeal attorney in response to the States appeal on Angela's sentencing/terms. I kind of feel like the briefs/appeals etc. will keep on coming in 2026. I know that Billy's DP issue has to be resolved before a trial can begin and it seems as though the appeal on Angela and Jake would also have to be resolved, not sure on that.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

This is the brief filed on behalf of Angela Wagner by her appeal attorney in response to the States appeal on Angela's sentencing/terms. I kind of feel like the briefs/appeals etc. will keep on coming in 2026. I know that Billy's DP issue has to be resolved before a trial can begin and it seems as though the appeal on Angela and Jake would also have to be resolved, not sure on that.

CO thanks for keeping up with all this. Has there been anything on George's appeal? It will be 10 years in April and Billy still hasn't gone to trial. This has dragged on forever, I can only imagine how the victims' families feel.

JMO

 

[Covert Operative]

CO thanks for keeping up with all this. Has there been anything on George's appeal? It will be 10 years in April and Billy still hasn't gone to trial. This has dragged on forever, I can only imagine how the victims' families feel.

JMO

No decision on George's appeal yet.

 

[Cool Cats]

https://appgateway.drc.ohio.gov/OffenderSearch/Search/DetailsPrint/W114481

Angela Wagner

Admission Date	01/09/2025
Institution	Ohio Reformatory for Women
Status	INCARCERATED

 

[Cool Cats]

No decision on George's appeal yet.

Hey @Covert Operative

You discovered that George IV was relocated to Rhode Island but now I think Jake was moved out of State. If you can find anything it is always appreciated.

Where Are Jake Wagner and George Wagner IV Now?

The Pike County Shootings, or Pike County Massacre, occurred in late April 2016 when eight Rhoden family members were shot and killed in Pike County, Ohio. The murders — believed to be premeditated and involving known perpetrators — led to the arrest of four Wagner family members in November...

thecinemaholic.com

It remains unclear where Jake, now 31, is serving his sentence since his name is not on the current prison roster in Ohio. He is likely incarcerated at some maximum security prison in another state.

 

[Covert Operative]

Hey @Covert Operative

You discovered that George IV was relocated to Rhode Island but now I think Jake was moved out of State. If you can find anything it is always appreciated.

Where Are Jake Wagner and George Wagner IV Now?

The Pike County Shootings, or Pike County Massacre, occurred in late April 2016 when eight Rhoden family members were shot and killed in Pike County, Ohio. The murders — believed to be premeditated and involving known perpetrators — led to the arrest of four Wagner family members in November...

thecinemaholic.com

It remains unclear where Jake, now 31, is serving his sentence since his name is not on the current prison roster in Ohio. He is likely incarcerated at some maximum security prison in another state.

He was moved to Wisconsin last I knew. I think I posted that here but it's been quite some time ago. Last I looked it still showed him in Wisconsin prison. At the time it took me quite a while to find him going through each state's inmate records.

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EDWARD WAGNER​

Custody Record

Age33
GenderMale
RaceWhite
WI: Wisconsin Department of Corrections
ID Number0074****
Custody StatusIn Custody
Custody DetailUndisclosed Location

https://vinelink.vineapps.com/search/persons;limit=20;offset=0;showPhotos=false;isPartialSearch=false;siteRefId=WISWVINE;personFirstName=edward;personLastName=wagner;stateServed=WI

 

[Betty P]

He was moved to Wisconsin last I knew. I think I posted that here but it's been quite some time ago. Last I looked it still showed him in Wisconsin prison. At the time it took me quite a while to find him going through each state's inmate records.

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EDWARD WAGNER​

Custody Record

Age33
GenderMale
RaceWhite
WI: Wisconsin Department of Corrections
ID Number0074****
Custody StatusIn Custody
Custody DetailUndisclosed Location

https://vinelink.vineapps.com/search/persons;limit=20;offset=0;showPhotos=false;isPartialSearch=false;siteRefId=WISWVINE;personFirstName=edward;personLastName=wagner;stateServed=WI

I wonder if the reasoning for these "relocations" is to avoid media publicity if the Wagners are somehow released from prison early? I have a feeling Ohio is back to slow walking these cases in hopes the public forgets about the Pike County Massacre. Statewide elections are coming up in November and folks down there might be applying pressure.

Also had to laugh at recent Ohio developments with the former Speaker of the Ohio House who is currently in prison for a $60 million bribery scandal involving the state's biggest electric utility. He's appealing to the US Supreme Court claiming his bribery conviction is a violation of free speech. In Ohio, if you know the right people, you can get a "get out of jail free" card. The bribery scandal has come very close to DeWine and his staff.

New texts show FirstEnergy allegedly working with Gov. DeWine to pass House Bill 6 • Ohio Capital Journal

Now-indicted FirstEnergy executives allegedly worked with Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine and his team to pass legislation that was the result of the largest corruption scheme in state history, according to newly released text messages. DeWine denies knowing House Bill 6 was a bribe.

ohiocapitaljournal.com

 

[Covert Operative]

I wonder if the reasoning for these "relocations" is to avoid media publicity if the Wagners are somehow released from prison early? I have a feeling Ohio is back to slow walking these cases in hopes the public forgets about the Pike County Massacre. Statewide elections are coming up in November and folks down there might be applying pressure.

Also had to laugh at recent Ohio developments with the former Speaker of the Ohio House who is currently in prison for a $60 million bribery scandal involving the state's biggest electric utility. He's appealing to the US Supreme Court claiming his bribery conviction is a violation of free speech. In Ohio, if you know the right people, you can get a "get out of jail free" card. The bribery scandal has come very close to DeWine and his staff.

New texts show FirstEnergy allegedly working with Gov. DeWine to pass House Bill 6 • Ohio Capital Journal

Now-indicted FirstEnergy executives allegedly worked with Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine and his team to pass legislation that was the result of the largest corruption scheme in state history, according to newly released text messages. DeWine denies knowing House Bill 6 was a bribe.

ohiocapitaljournal.com

Supposedly it was for safety reasons in George's case. Not sure about Jakes case. Kind of assume that may be the reason said for him also whether true or not.

 

[kwins]

Do some folks here think it would be ok for the Wagners to get away with murder? I’m honestly curious. I’m not from Ohio, so probably have a different set of values.

Wow, condescending much? Yes, we Ohioans are corrupt, backwards, and indifferent to violence. This case has been traumatic not only on the local community but on the entire state.

Please type more responsibly next time.

 

[Betty P]

Wow, condescending much? Yes, we Ohioans are corrupt, backwards, and indifferent to violence. This case has been traumatic not only on the local community but on the entire state.

Please type more responsibly next time.

I’ve lived here a long time and follow the news closely on corruption in the state. If you’ve followed this case closely over the years, you would know that corruption has played a role.

Problems flowing from corruption led to a long delay in arresting the parties responsible for the murders. Local and regional corruption also allowed the defendants in this case to escape prosecution and punishment for criminal activity for many years prior to the murders. This led to the Wagners feeling they were above the law and entitled to murder a family of 8 people because they were unhappy with a child custody agreement.

You might want to review this case, including the evidence presented in the trial of George Wagner IV to get a better understanding of corruption involved. Also check the various news article about Judge Hein, who recently tried to derail the plea agreements and confessions of two of the Wagners murderers. Judge Hein was appointed by the new presiding judge who, as prosecutor years ago, allowed criminal cases against two of the killers expire without prosecution.

Also check out the previous news articles about how the current Ohio AG Dave Yost tried to force the lead prosecutor to drop the entire case against the Wagners because he thought it would be too expensive to try them. That was not long before the prosecutor secured plea agreements and confessions from two of the 4 killers. Those confessions led Jake Wagner to reveal the location of the murder weapons hidden in the bottom of a pond on his grandmother’s farm. Google “duck blind” and “Flying W Farm” for that info.


Next time you may wish to check your opinions and do your homework first. Read up on the case.

 

[rescuemom]

I’ve lived here a long time and follow the news closely on corruption in the state. If you’ve followed this case closely over the years, you would know that corruption has played a role.

Problems flowing from corruption led to a long delay in arresting the parties responsible for the murders. Local and regional corruption also allowed the defendants in this case to escape prosecution and punishment for criminal activity for many years prior to the murders. This led to the Wagners feeling they were above the law and entitled to murder a family of 8 people because they were unhappy with a child custody agreement.

You might want to review this case, including the evidence presented in the trial of George Wagner IV to get a better understanding of corruption involved. Also check the various news article about Judge Hein, who recently tried to derail the plea agreements and confessions of two of the Wagners murderers. Judge Hein was appointed by the new presiding judge who, as prosecutor years ago, allowed criminal cases against two of the killers expire without prosecution.

Also check out the previous news articles about how the current Ohio AG Dave Yost tried to force the lead prosecutor to drop the entire case against the Wagners because he thought it would be too expensive to try them. That was not long before the prosecutor secured plea agreements and confessions from two of the 4 killers. Those confessions led Jake Wagner to reveal the location of the murder weapons hidden in the bottom of a pond on his grandmother’s farm. Google “duck blind” and “Flying W Farm” for that info.


Next time you may wish to check your opinions and do your homework first. Read up on the case.

BRAVO!!!!!

 

[kwins]

I’ve lived here a long time and follow the news closely on corruption in the state. If you’ve followed this case closely over the years, you would know that corruption has played a role.

Problems flowing from corruption led to a long delay in arresting the parties responsible for the murders. Local and regional corruption also allowed the defendants in this case to escape prosecution and punishment for criminal activity for many years prior to the murders. This led to the Wagners feeling they were above the law and entitled to murder a family of 8 people because they were unhappy with a child custody agreement.

You might want to review this case, including the evidence presented in the trial of George Wagner IV to get a better understanding of corruption involved. Also check the various news article about Judge Hein, who recently tried to derail the plea agreements and confessions of two of the Wagners murderers. Judge Hein was appointed by the new presiding judge who, as prosecutor years ago, allowed criminal cases against two of the killers expire without prosecution.

Also check out the previous news articles about how the current Ohio AG Dave Yost tried to force the lead prosecutor to drop the entire case against the Wagners because he thought it would be too expensive to try them. That was not long before the prosecutor secured plea agreements and confessions from two of the 4 killers. Those confessions led Jake Wagner to reveal the location of the murder weapons hidden in the bottom of a pond on his grandmother’s farm. Google “duck blind” and “Flying W Farm” for that info.


Next time you may wish to check your opinions and do your homework first. Read up on the case

I'm literally from here. You said in your post that you are not from Ohio, and you went further and said "I’m not from Ohio, so probably have a different set of values."

That was condescending and has no place in this forum. Everyone from this area knows about the problems before, during, and after the murders. We know. We continue to know. What would you like us to do about it?

 

[kwins]

I'm literally from here. You said in your post that you are not from Ohio, and you went further and said "I’m not from Ohio, so probably have a different set of values."

That was condescending and has no place in this forum. Everyone from this area knows about the problems before, during, and after the murders. We know. We continue to know. What would you like us to do about it?

And further, compare this case to the current Tepe murder case, and that should clear up a lot of how socioeconomics work in Ohio. I had to drive past the crime stopper's billboard for years, offering at most a $6000 reward for this massacred family. Nobody gives a rat's behind about Southern Ohio or the Appalachia region, for that matter. It's always been this way, and it will stay this way.

 

[rescuemom]

Supposedly it was for safety reasons in George's case. Not sure about Jakes case. Kind of assume that may be the reason said for him also whether true or not.

If so, Jake will have a whole new audience to preach to

 

[Covert Operative]

If so, Jake will have a whole new audience to preach to

They may not appreciate his preaching.

 

[Betty P]

I'm literally from here. You said in your post that you are not from Ohio, and you went further and said "I’m not from Ohio, so probably have a different set of values."

That was condescending and has no place in this forum. Everyone from this area knows about the problems before, during, and after the murders. We know. We continue to know. What would you like us to do about it?

I moved to OH some years ago. I'm a native of another state and metro area that is different from OH. Ohio, JMO, has more government corruption (all states have a little), it's government is not "open", IOW it's difficult to access information about legislative operations, budgets, laws, elected officials, crime, criminals, etc. It has large, powerful political machines and a flawed system of choosing, electing and appointing judges at nearly all levels. There isn't much public oversight and few "guardrails".

Here's a recent article you can read that might give you a better idea of some problems facing the judiciary, albeit this article discusses those relating to gerrymandering. Overall, the concern is that Ohio courts are not always accountable to the public.

Retired Ohio chief justice joins alliance to preserve independent judicial branch • Ohio Capital Journal

Former Ohio Supreme Court Chief Justice Maureen O’Connor is spending her retirement tending to a new puppy, and fighting to preserve the judicial branch of the United States.

ohiocapitaljournal.com

I hope this helps.

There have also been problems with branches of government involved in other aspects of investigating and prosecuting crimes. My previous posts had some links to concerns with the Ohio AG, who tried to drop the prosecutions of the 4 Wagners.