OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #50

[Antimony]

Perhaps the GPS tracker on JM's truck was to help the Wag's believe that he (JM) was the suspect.
They might make some mistakes and get caught. JM and LM might have been in on it.
As for the Alaska thing, Alaska is not any different from Kentucky or West Virginia when you are talking extradition. I wonder who had the idea of putting serious evidence in the well?

Random thoughts and my own opinion.

 

[Cool Cats]

Was the "laser focus" before or after JM's court appearance about destroying the tracker? It seems about that time that LE completely dropped all Manleys from the list of possible suspects.

Warrant issued to track James Manley's truck April 21, 2017
Warrant: Investigators put GPS tracker on truck of Rhoden victim's brother

Wagner property searched Friday May 12 - Sunday May 14, 2017
Investigators search farm 10 miles from scene of Rhoden family massacre; 2nd search made at car lot

James Manley arrested May 16, 2017

Charges dropped on James Manley May 22, 2017
Pike County murders: State pressuring Manley family, lawyer says

"Investigators are attempting to pressure a Pike County murder victims’ relative into talking by charging him with evidence tampering and vandalism — charges that cost James Manley a job in Troy — his attorney alleged after learning Manley’s case would go before a grand jury."

Laser focus announcements from DeWine June 21, 2017
Pike County murders: Ohio AG touts ‘laser’ focus on Alaska family

 

[Loomis124]

I long for good, new news. But it's going to be slow and I'll take it as it comes. Hardly a day or night goes by that I don't mourn the loss of 8 people I never even knew. RIP Rhodens and Gilley.

 

[Cool Cats]

I long for good, new news. But it's going to be slow and I'll take it as it comes. Hardly a day or night goes by that I don't mourn the loss of 8 people I never even knew. RIP Rhodens and Gilley.

Yes, unnecessarily SLOW....

This is controversial but death penalty trials only slow things down and take longer for the families to get closure. And if they are found guilty the appeals go on for 17 years on average. So everything gets rehashed for far too long etc....

LWOP in a maximum security facility would be good enough. Growing old with others telling you how to do it, others taking all your obsession with control away from you, living with people who are more manipulative and controlling than you ever were, facing derision from guards and inmates alike for what you have done,

separated from your enmeshed family, no say in how your kid is raised, no grandkids to show off--- unless it's in the prison visiting room but you can't control what your grandkid's guardians/parents choose to do, they don't have to listen to you anymore or fear your wrath anymore--- they can ignore you!!!

Your demands fall empty, your threats useless, giving the cold shoulder to get your own way doesn't work anymore, none of your manipulations work anymore--- except maybe with a young bunk mate if your lucky enough to have only one instead of 5.

And another reason for LWOP___$$$$$$$

Enlarge or read as pdf.....$$$$$$$.....1 million or 3 million?

 

[Dudly]

Yes, unnecessarily SLOW....

This is controversial but death penalty trials only slow things down and take longer for the families to get closure. And if they are found guilty the appeals go on for 17 years on average. So everything gets rehashed for far too long etc....

LWOP in a maximum security facility would be good enough. Growing old with others telling you how to do it, others taking all your obsession with control away from you, living with people who are more manipulative and controlling than you ever were, facing derision from guards and inmates alike for what you have done,

separated from your enmeshed family, no say in how your kid is raised, no grandkids to show off--- unless it's in the prison visiting room but you can't control what your grandkid's guardians/parents choose to do, they don't have to listen to you anymore or fear your wrath anymore--- they can ignore you!!!

Your demands fall empty, your threats useless, giving the cold shoulder to get your own way doesn't work anymore, none of your manipulations work anymore--- except maybe with a young bunk mate if your lucky enough to have only one instead of 5.

And another reason for LWOP___$$$$$$$

Enlarge or read as pdf.....$$$$$$$.....1 million or 3 million?

I've been hearing about the extreme high cost of DP convictions for years. Aside from that, I think LWOP would be a worse punishment. In either case they are away from society for life. Think about being in your 20s, being raised as though you have privilege, and then having no say in in when, or what, you do for the rest of your life. I think JW and GWIV would do terrible in prison. GWIV is having problems coping in a county jail. There are only two people I can think of that would be visiting them and one of them, FW, may be doing some time, too.... All just my opinions....

 

[bowler]

I think the dramatic shift in focus had something to do with information LE gathered from the tracker put on JM's infamous red truck. That was when LE completely dropped JM as a suspect and zeroed in on the W4. That was when the W4 went into hiding (maybe locally) and then left town.
JMO, MOO, etc., etc.

 

[Cool Cats]

I've been hearing about the extreme high cost of DP convictions for years. Aside from that, I think LWOP would be a worse punishment. In either case they are away from society for life. Think about being in your 20s, being raised as though you have privilege, and then having no say in in when, or what, you do for the rest of your life. I think JW and GWIV would do terrible in prison. GWIV is having problems coping in a county jail. There are only two people I can think of that would be visiting them and one of them, FW, may be doing some time, too.... All just my opinions....

I appreciate your opinion on the DP. I too do think LWOP would be best. I think it would be a quicker and more permanent solution for the families. It's hard to talk about because there might be someone who thinks I'm being soft on the killers and that is in no way the case.

But ultimately, I believe the jury should abide by the family's wishes. Say they are found guilty and now it's the second trial, the penalty phase trial, and all the families testify that they don't want SW to be in her mid twenties and have to deal with all the media coverage and all the emotional issues that will come because her father finally exhausted all of his appeals and now is being put to death.

Sorry to be so graphic but this is what will happen to her if her dad is found guilty and gets the DP. Is this in her best interest?

I would respect the family's decision on this. Period. It's not for me to say. It's private and a family matter, I get that.

 

[Cool Cats]

Perhaps the GPS tracker on JM's truck was to help the Wag's believe that he (JM) was the suspect.
They might make some mistakes and get caught. JM and LM might have been in on it.
As for the Alaska thing, Alaska is not any different from Kentucky or West Virginia when you are talking extradition. I wonder who had the idea of putting serious evidence in the well?
Random thoughts and my own opinion.

JM would not have been in on it. He lost his job because of it, and it hurt his reputation, people started thinking he's involved. So no way was JM's arrest just a scheme to side- track the Wagners.

I do believe that the laser focus statement by DeWine was meant to get the Wagner's talking on wiretaps set up by BCI.

WAVERLY, OHIO —

Investigators are attempting to pressure a Pike County murder victims’ relative into talking by charging him with evidence tampering and vandalism — charges that cost James Manley a job in Troy — his attorney alleged after learning Manley’s case would go before a grand jury.

Pike County murders: State pressuring Manley family, lawyer says

 

[Loomis124]

I trust that the Grand Jury indicted the W4 with death penalty with good reason and overwhelming evidence. Their decision is not mine to question. IMO, they did not make it lightly.

I will continue to pray for the highest form of justice possible for the Rhodens and Hazel Gilley, whatever it be, no more no less. I have faith the jurors in the coming trials will act fairly on the evidence shown. May only true Justice prevail. Eight lives were taken in less than 24 hours. Calculated, premeditated, and carried out viciously. Premeditated will get them the death penalty, IMO. The evidence is there. All JMO.

 

[StrangeOne]

I was going over the info Betty posted at the beginning of this thread. The places the victims were shot and how many times mainly. It's just my opinion mind you but it feels like two different people we're doing the shooting. You have well-placed shots compared to overkill and what I call statement shots. Like the one under the chin of DR that was a message and the overkill of CRS and HG being shot in the eye and yet FR only twice in the head right next to her. Any theories? I'd like to see what the rest of you think. Why use only a few bullets on some and more on others?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I was going over the info Betty posted at the beginning of this thread. The places the victims were shot and how many times mainly. It's just my opinion mind you but it feels like two different people we're doing the shooting. You have well-placed shots compared to overkill and what I call statement shots. Like the one under the chin of DR that was a message and the overkill of CRS and HG being shot in the eye and yet FR only twice in the head right next to her. Any theories? I'd like to see what the rest of you think. Why use only a few bullets on some and more on others?

Your theory sounds good but I think they shot Dana 5 times out of hate, the killers though Dana was keeping Hanna from Jake your right on this one! Hannah Gilley was shot 5 times in the face to send a message to Charley Gilley to show him he could be next, Chris Sr was shot 9 times for one reason he fought back and also he stood up to the Wagner Royalty Families and little Chris was shot 4 times because he was hiding from the killers and also little Chris would raise his voice to someone if he thought someone was getting done wrong , Jake didn’t like little Chris, and the others that was shot no more than 3times was Frankie at one time him and George the 4th where buddy’s at one time, JMO George 4th killed Frankie, and Jake shot Hannah 2 times he loved her and couldn’t sand doing that, Gary was shot 3 times just because he was in the wrong place, Kenny in my opinion was shot 1 time because it was getting day light and the killers ran out of time on their way home, they had to kill Kenny to make it look like the cartel did it, again this is JMO I do not have any facts heck just the killers know! Other than LE evidence!

 

[Rutledge203]

Agree CC...I'm from a site that was deleted too if not the same one as you.. and appreciate the focus on the facts here instead of 'other things' that in time became ridiculous and a mockery of the tragedy, JMO

Me THREE. Newer member. Totally respect everyone who keep this together and in the interest of the victims and family of. Thanks to all who contribute. Good to have like minded people who can discuss respectfully.

 

[Rutledge203]

I long for good, new news. But it's going to be slow and I'll take it as it comes. Hardly a day or night goes by that I don't mourn the loss of 8 people I never even knew. RIP Rhodens and Gilley.

Me too. I always think of the family members patience (which) is amazing IMO. But I'm anxious also.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I was going over the info Betty posted at the beginning of this thread. The places the victims were shot and how many times mainly. It's just my opinion mind you but it feels like two different people we're doing the shooting. You have well-placed shots compared to overkill and what I call statement shots. Like the one under the chin of DR that was a message and the overkill of CRS and HG being shot in the eye and yet FR only twice in the head right next to her. Any theories? I'd like to see what the rest of you think. Why use only a few bullets on some and more on others?

Me too. I always think of the family members patience (which) is amazing IMO. But I'm anxious also.

Welcome Rutledge203 to the discussion.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I appreciate your opinion on the DP. I too do think LWOP would be best. I think it would be a quicker and more permanent solution for the families. It's hard to talk about because there might be someone who thinks I'm being soft on the killers and that is in no way the case.

But ultimately, I believe the jury should abide by the family's wishes. Say they are found guilty and now it's the second trial, the penalty phase trial, and all the families testify that they don't want SW to be in her mid twenties and have to deal with all the media coverage and all the emotional issues that will come because her father finally exhausted all of his appeals and now is being put to death.

Sorry to be so graphic but this is what will happen to her if her dad is found guilty and gets the DP. Is this in her best interest?

I would respect the family's decision on this. Period. It's not for me to say. It's private and a family matter, I get that.

I agree CC and like you, I think the victims surviving family members should have the loudest voices in the W4's punishment. If they advocate for a sentence of death, I would respect it 100%.

I just remember LM's words he spoke at one time, "If they can live with it, so can I." Now we can't know what those words truly meant, and with time, he may have changed his feelings. Unfortunately I have went through a family member being murdered , but this is a Rhoden/Gilley thread and I won't discuss her murder on here.

All I know is we can all "think" we would know what a just sentence should be, but until a person lives through that nightmare they really don't know.

 

[Cool Cats]

I agree CC and like you, I think the victims surviving family members should have the loudest voices in the W4's punishment. If they advocate for a sentence of death, I would respect it 100%.

I just remember LM's words he spoke at one time, "If they can live with it, so can I." Now we can't know what those words truly meant, and with time, he may have changed his feelings. Unfortunately I have went through a family member being murdered , but this is a Rhoden/Gilley thread and I won't discuss her murder on here.

All I know is we can all "think" we would know what a just sentence should be, but until a person lives through that nightmare they really don't know.

Agree. And some states make the decision for you----they don't have the death penalty.
Death Penalty


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[Dontknow?]

Agree. And some states make the decision for you----they don't have the death penalty.
Death Penalty


This picture portrays which states still have the death penalty and which ones do not.



This photo illustrates how many people still want the death penalty---and how many want something in place of it.



Do executions lower homicide rates?

The cost is a whole lot more for DP inmates with appeal after appeal paid for. I also have this wicked morbid part of me that thinks many criminals like this, deserve to live the rest of their lives enjoying the confines of there spotless prison, good food, modern prison cell and welcoming staff. jmo

 

[Cool Cats]

The cost is a whole lot more for DP inmates with appeal after appeal paid for. I also have this wicked morbid part of me that thinks many criminals like this, deserve to live the rest of their lives enjoying the confines of there spotless prison, good food, modern prison cell and welcoming staff. jmo

Not enjoying backed up toilets, tasteless fake meat, ancient rusty lockers and leaky pipes, dirty thin mattresses, no pillow because it was stolen, tired staff who think your creepy, loud clanging noises and flashlights in your face.
Yes they deserve to live the rest of their lives enduring these spartan accommodations. .....2 Cents.....

 

[Antimony]

According to the Ohio ground water map, You would need no more than a 50-60 foot deep well to have a decent water supply. More than likely, whomever put the items in the well assumed it was very deep and the things would be un-retriveable. To examine the bottom of the well, simply turn the pump to manual (stay on) and suck the water out. Then lower a tiny camera with lights to inspect the damp hole. I wonder if LE had checked the well prior to the discovery visit. Then someone decided that since the well had been checked, LE would not be back.

My own thoughts.

 

[Dudly]

According to the Ohio ground water map, You would need no more than a 50-60 foot deep well to have a decent water supply. More than likely, whomever put the items in the well assumed it was very deep and the things would be un-retriveable. To examine the bottom of the well, simply turn the pump to manual (stay on) and suck the water out. Then lower a tiny camera with lights to inspect the damp hole. I wonder if LE had checked the well prior to the discovery visit. Then someone decided that since the well had been checked, LE would not be back.

My own thoughts.

You can not suck all the water out of a well unless it is a well that does not produce water. They use an under water camera. Usable well water is crystal clear so seeing anything at the bottom would be no problem.