OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #50

[sunshineray]

I think they were all last minute, it nags at me sometimes, but in the end, each stay over person's reason for not doing so is so different, and so human. I don't think the Ws knew the plans of those three, nor whether they'd be there or not. I think they probably, chose that day, for a reason. One extra girl, at a house, and DS at KR's, wouldn't have deterred them once the ball got rolling.

If they were listening to the R households the last minute dropping off of little B certainly didn't deter their plans.

 

[Cool Cats]

Good point! Also possible CR1 installed more security cams that JW wasn't aware of and missed.

Yes! Think birdhouse! Sometimes referred to as "eye of the owl. "...

Someone on here months ago found the MSM quote where LM mentions a camera in Chris's birdhouse but he didn't know if it was taken by LE or taken by the Wagners.

Seems the Wagner's wouldn't know where all the security was, they had to use bug detectors and the Rhodens wouldn't trust them and wouldn't want them knowing too much due to Billy and Jake confronting the Rhodens over custody and it getting contentious.

If anyone can find the article that mentions Billy's name in regards to the custody fight, please post, thankx!

I have so many articles bookmarked I need to organize them and write some highlights down because I'll want to link a quote but then can't find it, so I am driving myself "crazy"!........................

....My 2 Cents..........

 

[Cool Cats]

I agree...your theory is better. My main point was that the victims were being monitored very carefully. JMO

But I agree with you that fake texts were sent here and there. Think-- JM.

 

[Betty P]

Yes! Think birdhouse! Sometimes referred to as "eye of the owl. "...

Someone on here months ago found the MSM quote where LM mentions a camera in Chris's birdhouse but he didn't know if it was taken by LE or taken by the Wagners.

Seems the Wagner's wouldn't know where all the security was, they had to use bug detectors and the Rhodens wouldn't trust them and wouldn't want them knowing too much due to Billy and Jake confronting the Rhodens over custody and it getting contentious.

If anyone can find the article that mentions Billy's name in regards to the custody fight, please post, thankx!

I have so many articles bookmarked I need to organize them and write some highlights down because I'll want to link a quote but then can't find it, so I am driving myself "crazy"!........................

....My 2 Cents..........

Agree, I don't see CR1 or KR allowing the W's (or anyone else) to have a lot of information about their security/ video systems. Some cameras will be obvious, as they are outside most people's homes or public buildings. Hiding other cameras away where they can see you, but you can't see them....sounds like something CR1 or KR would do, especially with grow ops and being away long hours for work. Also logical they might tell BJM about it, since she was the one who came by most days to help out.

 

[Loomis124]

Yes! Think birdhouse! Sometimes referred to as "eye of the owl. "...

Someone on here months ago found the MSM quote where LM mentions a camera in Chris's birdhouse but he didn't know if it was taken by LE or taken by the Wagners.

Seems the Wagner's wouldn't know where all the security was, they had to use bug detectors and the Rhodens wouldn't trust them and wouldn't want them knowing too much due to Billy and Jake confronting the Rhodens over custody and it getting contentious.

If anyone can find the article that mentions Billy's name in regards to the custody fight, please post, thankx!

I have so many articles bookmarked I need to organize them and write some highlights down because I'll want to link a quote but then can't find it, so I am driving myself "crazy"!........................

....My 2 Cents..........

Reply to your bolded question: No, but I do remember 500+ text messages from Billy's phone about custody being listed (BBL) on his Discovery document. Is that doc on here somewhere?

 

[I'mNosyRosy]

LM knew of the custody dispute we know this because he publically stated this in a news interview. This calls into question the theory that KR was killed because he knew about the dispute between the R's and W's.
This idea that KR and CR SR's security cameras were linked makes a whole lot of sense. I also think that killing KR was meant to confuse and give the impression that the motive was drug related.

 

[Loomis124]

Did anyone ever figure out who the woman was that Robin was pointing to?

Wagner patriarch makes court appearance in Pike County massacre case

 

[Betty P]

Reply to your bolded question: No, but I do remember 500+ text messages from Billy's phone about custody being listed (BBL) on his Discovery document. Is that doc on here somewhere?

If so, it should be in Media & Timelines thread. Otherwise, it's a ScribD document.

 

[Merrygirl]

LM knew of the custody dispute we know this because he publically stated this in a news interview. This calls into question the theory that KR was killed because he knew about the dispute between the R's and W's.
This idea that KR and CR SR's security cameras were linked makes a whole lot of sense. I also think that killing KR was meant to confuse and give the impression that the motive was drug related.

Jmo but I think KR was an intentional hit because he and CRsr were reportedly very close. I think any fight, if any, that CRsr had with the W4 that KR would definitely know it and would probably retaliate. I figure he may have even been there when the infamous fight was reported to have happened. My theory of “why this night” is I figure the pressure between the families was coming to a head and the murders might have occurred ~3 wks before, right after the infamous fight, but the W4 decided to wait until after KMR was born to make sure she wasn’t JW’s. IIRC, JW visited HR on Monday and probably had to wait until HR & KMR we’re discharged from the hospital, probably either Tues or Wed at the very latest. Then probably something happened either Wed or Thurs that we haven’t heard about yet but it’s brought back more anger and stirred the pot again. It could be something with HR/CG/CH OR it may be something to do with $$$. Maybe BW feels he was owed $ for something & CR said no. Maybe JW asked to keep SW for another week while HR recovers but HR said no, she missed SW and wanted her home but gave him just 1 more night. This is all JMOO.

 

[Loomis124]

Found the article about GW3's discovery and the Excel sheet with the custody messages. Sure wish we could get a copy of this Discovery.

Documents: ATF files report on item pulled from well, Wagner family arrested a week later

 

[kbpirate]

If they were listening to the R households the last minute dropping off of little B certainly didn't deter their plans.

I think by this point CRSr was already dead. I think they were already too far to stop at that point.

 

[kbpirate]

Can you imagine how CG and CH must have felt! If they knew about Jake’s obsession with HR and SW, they had to know it was the Wagners. They must have constantly been looking over their shoulder.

 

[Cool Cats]

+19 CLICK ..........( The different faces of Angela Wagner )

 

[Puzzles8]

Did anyone ever figure out who the woman was that Robin was pointing to?

Wagner patriarch makes court appearance in Pike County massacre case

Look at RW at about the :35 mark on the video. Billy is entering the room and can see her. She is using her left/right hand and is making a "slicing motion" under her chin.
JMO, MMO, that motion means "stop, don't talk".
How do you all interpret RW's hand motion?

 

[Yellowbeak]

Look at RW at about the :35 mark on the video. Billy is entering the room and can see her. She is using her left/right hand and is making the "slicing move" to her neck.
JMO, MMO, that motion means "stop, don't talk".
How do you all interpret RW's hand motion?

They need to watch her like a hawk. She seems so sneaky. JMO

 

[Loomis124]

If so, it should be in Media & Timelines thread. Otherwise, it's a ScribD document.

Betty, I didn't find on scribd, which is where it should be, posted by Bob Strickley.

 

[Loomis124]

They need to watch her like a hawk. She seems so sneaky. JMO

IDK, but I agree they need to watch her. I think she was in on the whole thing...a very big part of what's going on now.

 

[Betty P]

Look at RW at about the :35 mark on the video. Billy is entering the room and can see her. She is using her left/right hand and is making a "slicing motion" under her chin.
JMO, MMO, that motion means "stop, don't talk".
How do you all interpret RW's hand motion?

Yes, agree.

 

[Deleted member 237253]

Look at RW at about the :35 mark on the video. Billy is entering the room and can see her. She is using her left/right hand and is making a "slicing motion" under her chin.
JMO, MMO, that motion means "stop, don't talk".
How do you all interpret RW's hand motion?

Tough to say with my bias against the family. Its probably just her motioning for Billy not to acknowledge her presence. He was probably thrilled to see her.

 

[OhioBlues]

Look at RW at about the :35 mark on the video. Billy is entering the room and can see her. She is using her left/right hand and is making a "slicing motion" under her chin.
JMO, MMO, that motion means "stop, don't talk".
How do you all interpret RW's hand motion?

She appeared to be motioning and trying to get the attention of BW so that he would notice the woman that was sitting behind her. jmo