OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #50

[GoBuckeyes]

IMO, Judge Deering doesn’t want to be ‘the reason’ for an appeal or mistrial so he is giving RN plenty of rope. It would be satisfying to see her bail revoked however, my eye is on the prize at the end of her trial. MOO

I do hear your concern on the mistrial issue, but...
Appeals will be automatic in the capital cases. I just don't see any reason for JD to be apprehensive about revoking bail. He's made it plain as day 3 times, at least, concerning his ruling on communication. I don't see one possible way she could win an appeal or that there could be ANY grounds for a mistrial by JD revoking bail.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

IMO, it is pretty sad when the Special Prosecutor has to object to testimony being presented against the Grand Jury and the Judge allows it.

Completely agree!

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Great observations Puzzles.

I think that we might have learned that AW and JW (for sure) were key to this entire thing. If AW wanted her brother to talk to JW then IMO that would seem like it is possible they are the key players. I also missed the entire hearing so I am just going by bits and pieces that I have read so far.

This apparently was a very well thought out planned execution.

AW said in recorded phone calls the theories that her lawyers had told her. Keywords to use?

I have never heard of such craziness in any murders. jmo

If they were sharing useful information that the state could use? Why move to revoke bail? Curious on everyone's thoughts.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

More news updates today:

Judge gives grandmother a break on bail violation in Pike County massacre case

This is interesting, I don't think I've read that stated explicitly in the news media before:



also



BBM

Lots of detail in this article about AC's arguments about what was in the phone conversations and why those conversations about evidence and testimony are important.





BBM

So I did hear that correctly yesterday - AW and Jake were talking together about the murder trials, etc. together on speakerphone.

ETA: RN can't be sent to jail for interfering with the trials of the murderers of 8 people, but this can happen

Ohio Judge to Reassess Jail Sentence Given to 79-Year-Old Woman For Feeding Stray Cats

Why hasn't Chris been charged with aiding and abetting criminals? Or another appropriate charge?

 

[OhioBlues]

If they were sharing useful information that the state could use? Why move to revoke bail? Curious on everyone's thoughts.

Maybe because, what else they might say that they haven't said so far. As soon as they promote a theory the state is going to play the tape and say that was your lawyers idea.

If Rita uses her keywords then I would introduce that tape to show where she got the keywords from.

I would introduce as many as the judge will permit to show they are that are liars, schemers and had well-thought plans lasting 4 months to beat the system and murder 7 adults, 1 child, leave 2 orphans as they slept next to their murdered sleeping mothers.

The state can't listen to a defendant and their attorney. Surely (hopefully) they can listen to Angela feeding her mom all of the theories that her lawyer stated.

Of course, that is what that happens but I am not a lawyer or a judge. lol

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Did we here Rita’s attorney confess to her guilt of forgery when he was telling the judge that Rita notarized the paperwork in another county and that why the judge should dismiss the charges?

 

[Dudly]

I totally agree with you. RN is going to trial. I just finished listening to Part 1 and IMHO, defendants RN, AW, and JW have clearly disobeyed the court's no-contact order and should be punished accordingly. Judge Deering is being way too lenient. Why? Whatever he's afraid of now, will likely let RN walk if he doesn't put a stop to this blatant disobedience. MOO

I honestly believe he did that to help make sure no mistrial is called in her case. She will be first and he needs a guilty verdict to show what can happen with the others. MOO

 

[Betty P]

I honestly believe he did that to help make sure no mistrial is called in her case. She will be first and he needs a guilty verdict to show what can happen with the others. MOO

What would be the grounds for a mistrial, other than the fact he's allowing RN, AW and JW to keep talking about the case via phone?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

What would be the grounds for a mistrial, other than the fact he's allowing RN, AW and JW to keep talking about the case via phone?

Good morning BP did you here Rita’s attorney speaking with judge Deering about the custody paperwork wasn’t filled out in Pike County and he wanted charges dropped so that should be admitting to guilt of forgery, (Right)

 

[Merrygirl]

Maybe they should just revoke her phone privileges. That would solve the problem. She can always write letters.

I saw a post about prisoners sending cryptic letters out to family letters but I’m not so sure there would be anyone in that family who could understand the letter when they received it. Lol

 

[Merrygirl]

Hey welcome to WS and the Rhoden/Gilley forum. Some posters have been posting on here for 3 years and 4 months. I wish I had been on here back then when they were theorizing over who had committed such heinous, cowardly, incredibly evil acts of psychotic vengeance on 8 awesome people.

Now that Fred is not charged anymore I wonder if she can talk to any of them?
Rita was "taken in" (controlled) by Angela over the phone calls but Angie could NEVER pull that with Fred in my opinion. There is no way Fred would have jeopardized her bond--like Rita did---just to please Angie.

There is a MSM article that says Fred likes to be in control of every situation and that includes Angie and not the other way around. It pays for Angie to toe the line with Fred, after all, who puts money into her commissary and pays for all those calls? Every call cost money, every one of them...2 Cents.....

EBM
I would be willing to bet RN’s mother, NB, is paying for AW’s calls and commissary, not FW. Just my hunch.

 

[Dudly]

What would be the grounds for a mistrial, other than the fact he's allowing RN, AW and JW to keep talking about the case via phone?

If they discussed cases and strategies, I would think that he would be considered allowing that to happen when a gag order is in place...

 

[Betty P]

Good morning BP did you here Rita’s attorney speaking with judge Deering about the custody paperwork wasn’t filled out in Pike County and he wanted charges dropped so that should be admitting to guilt of forgery, (Right)

No, I didn't hear that. I'll have to go back to listen again. I heard him talking about how she had a hearing in Scioto County and that the Pike County court recorder went down there to record the proceedings. That was most of what I heard, just some arguing back and forth about the Pike County court recorder.

He was trying to accommodate her on the issues relating to her GJ testimony, but she came off looking badly. He said any other issues she had should be brought up by her defense attorneys at her trial in October.

Her attorneys (Gerlach, etc) were very unprepared. They kept trying to introduce motions on the spur of the moment, instead of in writing. It almost sounds like they're making it up as they go along.

 

[Betty P]

If they discussed cases and strategies, I would think that he would be considered allowing that to happen when a gag order is in place...

I didn't hear any of that in the recent hearing. Did you? Yes, the Judge was taking a risk in doing that, any of them could have blurted something out that would compromise taking the case to trial, but I didn't hear that.

Does anyone have the time stamp from the video of the hearing where the alleged discussion took place about RN admitting she was guilty? TIA. The tape is 2 hrs long, so a time stamp would be helpful. I just don't recall hearing that.

 

[OhioBlues]

Although I don't believe RN or her family will stop communications with AW or JW all that is needed is a block.

Snipped from article:

https://www.gettingout.com/delaware-county-jail/

"If you do not wish to receive calls from inmate, simply call 1-866-516-0115 from the phone number that you wish to have blocked. A live operator will help prevent inmates from being able to call that number in the future."

Can the prosecution use the content of these phone calls in court, if you know?

If so, I might want them to talk away.

 

[Cool Cats]

EBM
I would be willing to bet RN’s mother, NB, is paying for AW’s calls and commissary, not FW. Just my hunch.

Agree @Merrygirl IT'S MY OPINION ONLY and I'M ONLY GUESSING--NO LINKS--
My guess is same as yours, that Rita's mom, Angela's grandma, helps Angela with commissary/calls, and I think her brother and his wife might help her a little also. I think and guess that Fred has her hands full of a hot mess--that is--she and Robin trying to coordinate phone calls and paying for phone calls for at least the 3 guys. Also, it's my opinion only that it is Fred and Robin who pay for the 3 guy's commissary.

Also it's my opinion only -- no links-- that Rita's mom paid for Rita's attorney.

If you look into the Court Docket's information you will see this for--as I like to call them--the Wagner 4, that all of them have this:

11/27/2018 INDIGENT APPLICATION FILED (Jake)
11/28/2018 INDIGENT APPLICATION FILED (George 4)
11/30/2018 INDIGENT APPLICATION FILED (Angela)
12/04/2018 INDIGENT APPLICATION FILED (Billy)

I have not found any indigent application filed anywhere on Rita's docket information and thus, I believe that she has her own private attorney and I guess her mom pays for it. Her attorney is a very good one, as is Fred's.

 

[Loomis124]

Why hasn't Chris been charged with aiding and abetting criminals? Or another appropriate charge?

He's already in trouble in Scioto county. Have a feeling one of his charges is linked to RN's bad notary mishaps. Also, it is interesting that his was a secret indictment and involves 3 more people. JMO

 

[Antimony]

Chris who?

 

[Merrygirl]

I didn't hear any of that in the recent hearing. Did you? Yes, the Judge was taking a risk in doing that, any of them could have blurted something out that would compromise taking the case to trial, but I didn't hear that.

Does anyone have the time stamp from the video of the hearing where the alleged discussion took place about RN admitting she was guilty? TIA. The tape is 2 hrs long, so a time stamp would be helpful. I just don't recall hearing that.

She didn’t exactly admit she was guilty. I think JBB meant her lawyer, insisting it took place in Scioto Co, not Pike, was sorta “admitting” she signed the papers and committed fraud/forgery but it took place at a different venue. Is this what you meant Johnny? MOO

 

[Merrygirl]

Chris who?

AW’s bro, RN’s son.