OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #50

[Betty P]

Anyone want to make some predictions for the results tomorrow?

My prediction? Newcombs case dismissed

On that, I disagree. The prosecution seems to have solid evidence that RJN forged those documents. It's kind of difficult to wiggle one's way out of that kind of charge. It's not a case of "forgetting" or "mixing up" receipts or talking in vague circles before a GJ. You either forged a document or you didn't. The state will be allowed to present its evidence in court.

 

[Merrygirl]

I'm reluctant to guess since we don't know exactly what happened, who was most at fault or how much information was shared. My guesses often wrong. JMO, she should go back to jail. It will be an interesting test to see how the judge handles it.

Please tell us who you think the accomplices were and what they did? I do think its very likely others knew they were the killers. At minimum, the young woman who claims to be the wife of JW shared some info. Also seems someone may have talked talked about searching the well on the W Peterson Rd property.

I have in mine one possible accomplice and he just might have turned informant in exchange for lesser jail time but I can’t prove it or have any links so it is jmo. I think it was awfully coincidental that he was seen with one of the relatives shortly before the “suicide,” was in jail during the time the GJ was held, and let out of jail the day after it was confirmed LE retrieved an object from the well. Now if I was a bettin’ man or woman...

 

[Merrygirl]

Thanks! Didn't mean to put you on the spot, yes naming names would be against TOS. The hints were good enough and we'll just call them speculation to be safe.

Also on a somewhat related topic, here's some interesting news

FBI Warns of 'Public Corruption Threat' in Legal Marijuana Industry

Here's the FBI's podcast about it

FBI, This Week: Public Corruption Threat Emerges in Marijuana Industry | Federal Bureau of Investigation

Ahhh, I can’t believe that (wink). Surely not OUR legislators being vulnerable to bribes. Who ever thought such a thing?

 

[Merrygirl]

Anyone want to make some predictions for the results tomorrow?

My prediction? Newcombs case dismissed

It could end up like Fred’s and revisited at a later time once further evidence is presented from one of the other trials. Then they could reissue the charges with a more information of how/where it occurred. Maybe they didn’t specify on purpose, hoping not to give too much away. IMO, Rob needs to keep his lips closed.

 

[Betty P]

I have in mine one possible accomplice and he just might have turned informant in exchange for lesser jail time but I can’t prove it or have any links so it is jmo. I think it was awfully coincidental that he was seen with one of the relatives shortly before the “suicide,” was in jail during the time the GJ was held, and let out of jail the day after it was confirmed LE retrieved an object from the well. Now if I was a bettin’ man or woman...

I've thought about him, too. ICBW, but I've always assumed it to be a man who knew about or served as an accomplice to the Wagners in the Rhoden murders. A woman seems possible, but that would be dangerous work.

 

[Loomis124]

I've thought about him, too. ICBW, but I've always assumed it to be a man who knew about or served as an accomplice to the Wagners in the Rhoden murders. A woman seems possible, but that would be dangerous work.

Maybe I should withdraw the word "accomplice." I didn't mean someone who helped with the actual murders. I was thinking along the lines of the planning stages. Just my opinion. And as far as "women," I have no doubt that many women in that area can well keep up with the men in the criminal areas. JMO

 

[Loomis124]

Accessory is the word I was searching for.

An accomplice differs from an accessory in that an accomplice is present at the actual crime, and could be prosecuted even if the main criminal (the principal) is not charged or convicted. An accessory is generally not present at the actual crime, and may be subject to lesser penalties than an accomplice or principal.

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia › wiki
Accomplice - Wikipedia

 

[Loomis124]

I have in mine one possible accomplice and he just might have turned informant in exchange for lesser jail time but I can’t prove it or have any links so it is jmo. I think it was awfully coincidental that he was seen with one of the relatives shortly before the “suicide,” was in jail during the time the GJ was held, and let out of jail the day after it was confirmed LE retrieved an object from the well. Now if I was a bettin’ man or woman...

Was/is he friends with the Ws? Thx MG.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I have in mine one possible accomplice and he just might have turned informant in exchange for lesser jail time but I can’t prove it or have any links so it is jmo. I think it was awfully coincidental that he was seen with one of the relatives shortly before the “suicide,” was in jail during the time the GJ was held, and let out of jail the day after it was confirmed LE retrieved an object from the well. Now if I was a bettin’ man or woman...

Was this suicide in Pike county jail?

 

[Loomis124]

Great reference on notaries

Notarization Elements

IMO, the actual documents RN notarized will stand. Not an "alleged" non-official conversation between an attorney and a prosecutor.

Also, there was a good reason RN was never allowed to "view" in DISCOVERY all her GJ testimony, as I'm sure she was shown and verified the signatures in GJ proceedings but was not given copies. Then in DISCOVERY only parts were shown to her, but attorney could view all pages and only verbally tell RN what he read. Sorry I don't have a link to the Discovery documents. JMO

 

[Loomis124]

Was this suicide in Pike county jail?

No. JMO

 

[Loomis124]

RN Discovery. Hope the link works.

Newcomb Discovery

 

[Loomis124]

Further,

"These include an application for the appointment of a guardian, a complete listing of the minor child's next of kin with addresses, and a form identifying the child on which the magistrate can set a hearing on the application. Any interested person can initiate the proceedings." (Click on form link above. Same form RN notarized for HR and the W boys in case they died, too....JMO)

How is a Guardian Appointed for a Child When a Parent Dies?

I'm not certain this is the exact form in question since Discovery calls it a DECLARATION OF APPOINTMENT OF GUARDIANSHIP.....

Any help on finding the form named would be appreciated.

All JMO

 

[Betty P]

Accessory is the word I was searching for.

An accomplice differs from an accessory in that an accomplice is present at the actual crime, and could be prosecuted even if the main criminal (the principal) is not charged or convicted. An accessory is generally not present at the actual crime, and may be subject to lesser penalties than an accomplice or principal.
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Accomplice - Wikipedia

Correct. That's the term I meant to use in my earlier post, too. I don't think anyone else was with the W's that night, but there may have been someone who was around before and after. Perhaps helped with planning or covering up, etc.

 

[Merrygirl]

Was/is he friends with the Ws? Thx MG.

Depends on what ya call “friends.” Who I’m thinking of is more likely out for himself and whichever side can help him remove the obstacles of his goals is the side he will be on (or friend). It’s more like friends of convenience. Jmo

 

[Merrygirl]

Was this suicide in Pike county jail?

No. Happened in late June last year.

 

[Betty P]

No. Happened in late June last year.

There's a separate thread about the suicide here at WS. The person who "committed suicide" was a relative of the Rhoden family.

Oh - Violet Rhoden Taylor, 35, found shot, Pike County, 11 June 2018

JMO, thought we don't yet know the details of other W criminal activity, the accomplice could have been a "business associate" or something similar.

All speculation, may not be accurate.

 

[Loomis124]

Ok, found one. IMO, it was downloaded and printed by someone and RN notarized signatures. County is her responsibility to add, even if she has to cross through what is printed. I am speaking of a general form available on the Internet.

 

[Loomis124]

Depends on what ya call “friends.” Who I’m thinking of is more likely out for himself and whichever side can help him remove the obstacles of his goals is the side he will be on (or friend). It’s more like friends of convenience. Jmo

MG, just thinking whoever the informant was had to be associated with the Ws in order to get the confidential information. JMO here and we may be thinking in two entirely different directions. All good. JMO

 

[OhioBlues]

Ok, found one. IMO, it was downloaded and printed by someone and RN notarized signatures. County is her responsibility to add, even if she has to cross through what is printed.

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IMO,

I've been looking too. What document did you find for Ohio? TIA