OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #50

[Puzzles8]

I believe it is concerning illegal metal scrapping. I don't know the details.

There are two charges, the 2nd charge is "IMPROPER USE OF A CERTIFICATE OF TITLE (UNCLASSIFIED)"

 

[Niner]

There are two charges, the 2nd charge is "IMPROPER USE OF A CERTIFICATE OF TITLE (UNCLASSIFIED)"

Probably forged by RN.... ??

 

[Puzzles8]

Yes, I heard it in the hearing and it was reported in an ABC news article I linked to a few pages back. AW was on a call with Jake Wagner and Chris Newcomb

Judge gives grandmother a break on bail violation in Pike County massacre case

Didn't AW and JW have the most LE interviews before their arrests?

 

[Cool Cats]

Didn't AW and JW have the most LE interviews before their arrests?

Yes, here is the page, it's from Jake's Discovery page #3....

https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/4zjywpk5ds6p7oer/images/3

Jake: 1 in May 2016, 1 in April 2017, 3 in May 2017
Angie: 1 in October 2016, 5 in May 2017
GW3: 1 in September 2016, 2 in May 2017
GW4: 1 in May 2017

Interesting, all 4 were interviewed on May 21st 2017, the only time all 4 were interviewed the same day. Notice how by doing mostly separate interviews LE can compare their stories which I assume are identical--too much identical if you know what I mean....2 Cents......

 

[FrescaandSouthernComfort]

JMO but I think the BCI needs to put round the clock security on Rita Newcomb because one of the other defendants might try to take her out, just saying

Everyone who knows anything may need round the clock security JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Something very shady about the whole thing with the Wagners and Newcomb, JMO

 

[Loomis124]

Betty, or anyone, what was Judge Deering talking about when he mentioned Adams county, Madison county and another one (which I couldn't hear) and 2 certain documents being filed under seal? TY

 

[Cool Cats]

Betty, or anyone, what was Judge Deering talking about when he mentioned Adams county, Madison county and another one (which I couldn't hear) and 2 certain documents being filed under seal? TY

Clark County.

Not word for word, paraphrasing it, it's not easy to understand everything. Go in 40-50 minutes on video #1.

A local clerk recused themselves to protect the integrity of the proceedings, involving interactions with RN, and so a different county clerk was used. In court they didn't specify why it is 3 different counties or what type of interactions they were with Rita, other than being interactions with and statements to, and items presented to = LE. They were definitely questioning her.

So it's standard to seal out of county records. So then the Pike Court asked for the records back and now Rita 's attorney wants them unsealed but the prosecution said that none of those records have anything to do with Rita being indicted, nothing to do with Ritas's current criminal case. So Judge Deering isn't unsealing them at this point.

The prosecution said that those records were all filed before Rita gave her GJ testimony. They said she was not a suspect when any of those other county records were written up. She only became a suspect after she gave her GJ testimony. I'm surprised, I thought she was a suspect sooner than 2018.

So did something happened at the GJ trial to make her go from being a witness to being a suspect? It seems like it in my opinion. Now her attorney has copies of her GJ testimony but only the parts where she is questioned and he says too much is redacted. He said he needs all the redactions taken out and he needs copies of the ENTIRE GJ testimony, not just her part. He says he has things to show her and can't give her an adequate defense without the full disclosure etc...

So Canepa said she didn't want that motion granted (giving out the entire GJ testimony) because it would reveal too much about the Wagner's criminal cases. So Deering ordered that the complete transcript be turned over to her attorney, but that it needs to be sealed. He put a gag order on it so to speak because he said no one can say anything about it, it cannot get out to the media, it could influence people.

Rita could see incriminating things against the 4 Wagner's in the GJ testimony, and then tell her son who tells Fred and Robin and then Fred and Robin tell the 4 Wagners when they talk to them on the phone.
See Rita can get information to Angie that way, and Angie can get information to Rita that way also......2 Cents Only.......

Complicated much?????

 

[Mind your biscuits]

Tha

Clark County.

A local clerk recused themselves to protect the integrity of the proceedings, involving interactions with RN, and so a different county clerk was used. In court they didn't specify why it is 3 different counties or what type of interactions they were with Rita, but they would have been questioning her.

So it's standard to seal out of county records. So then the Pike Court asked for the records back and now Rita 's attorney wants them unsealed but the prosecution said that none of those records have anything to do with Rita being indicted, nothing to do with Ritas's current criminal case. So Judge Deering isn't unsealing them at this point.

The prosecution said that those records were all filed before Rita gave her GJ testimony. They said she was not a suspect when any of those other county records were written up. She only became a suspect when she gave her GJ testimony. I'm surprised, I thought she was a suspect sooner than 2018.

So something happened at the GJ trial to make her go from being a witness to being a suspect. Now her attorney has copies of her GJ testimony but only the parts where she is questioned and he says too much is redacted. He said he needs all the redactions taken out and he needs copies of the ENTIRE GJ testimony, not just her part. He says he has things to show her and can't give her an adequate defense without the full disclosure etc...

So Canepa said she didn't want that motion granted (giving out the entire GJ testimony) because it would reveal too much about the Wagner's criminal cases. So Deering ordered that the complete transcript be turned over to her attorney, but that it needs to be sealed. He put a gag order on it so to speak because he said no one can say anything about it, it cannot get out to the media, it could influence people.

Rita could see incriminating things against the 4 Wagner's in the GJ testimony, and then tell her son who tells Fred and Robin and then Fred and Robin tell the 4 Wagners when they talk to them on the phone.
See Rita can get information to Angie that way, and Angie can get information to Rita that way also.

Complicated much?????

That is very interesting, thank you for going to the trouble to explain that.

 

[Puzzles8]

Clark County.

Not word for word, paraphrasing it, it's not easy to understand everything. Go in 40-50 minutes on video #1.

A local clerk recused themselves to protect the integrity of the proceedings, involving interactions with RN, and so a different county clerk was used. In court they didn't specify why it is 3 different counties or what type of interactions they were with Rita, other than being interactions with and statements to LE , they were definitely questioning her.

So it's standard to seal out of county records. So then the Pike Court asked for the records back and now Rita 's attorney wants them unsealed but the prosecution said that none of those records have anything to do with Rita being indicted, nothing to do with Ritas's current criminal case. So Judge Deering isn't unsealing them at this point.

The prosecution said that those records were all filed before Rita gave her GJ testimony. They said she was not a suspect when any of those other county records were written up. She only became a suspect after she gave her GJ testimony. I'm surprised, I thought she was a suspect sooner than 2018.

So did something happened at the GJ trial to make her go from being a witness to being a suspect? It seems like it in my opinion. Now her attorney has copies of her GJ testimony but only the parts where she is questioned and he says too much is redacted. He said he needs all the redactions taken out and he needs copies of the ENTIRE GJ testimony, not just her part. He says he has things to show her and can't give her an adequate defense without the full disclosure etc...

So Canepa said she didn't want that motion granted (giving out the entire GJ testimony) because it would reveal too much about the Wagner's criminal cases. So Deering ordered that the complete transcript be turned over to her attorney, but that it needs to be sealed. He put a gag order on it so to speak because he said no one can say anything about it, it cannot get out to the media, it could influence people.

Rita could see incriminating things against the 4 Wagner's in the GJ testimony, and then tell her son who tells Fred and Robin and then Fred and Robin tell the 4 Wagners when they talk to them on the phone.
See Rita can get information to Angie that way, and Angie can get information to Rita that way also......2 Cents Only.......

Complicated much?????

12/27/2018 JOURNAL ENTRY -- THE CLERK OF COURTS OF CLARK COUNTY, HAVING BEEN APPOINTED AS SPECIAL DEPUTY CLERK OF COURTS, SHALL CONVEY INTO THE CUSTODY OF JUSTIN P. BREWSTER, CLERK OF COURTS OF PIKE COUNTY ALL DOCUMENTS AND RECORDS PERTAINING TO THIS MATTER; THE CLARK COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS IS DISCHARGED OF ANY FURTHER RESPONSIBILITIES AS SPECIAL DEPUTY CLERK COPIES FILED MAILED TO COUNSEL, DEFENDANTS, PROSECUTORS

This journal entry was posted on all of W4's criminal cases as well as FW and RN's. I've never quite understood it's meaning or purpose.
Might it be related to what you are referring to?

 

[Cool Cats]

Tha

That is very interesting, thank you for going to the trouble to explain that.

I edited a couple things. Rita didn't become a suspect at time of her GJ testimony, it was after she gave her testimony. How far after we don't know but it's my opinion that there was GJ testimony that started to make her look like a suspect.

Also, those other 3 county records that were written up about Rita involved her interactions with and statements to and items presented to, LE. But nothing specific revealed.

 

[Cool Cats]

12/27/2018 JOURNAL ENTRY -- THE CLERK OF COURTS OF CLARK COUNTY, HAVING BEEN APPOINTED AS SPECIAL DEPUTY CLERK OF COURTS, SHALL CONVEY INTO THE CUSTODY OF JUSTIN P. BREWSTER, CLERK OF COURTS OF PIKE COUNTY ALL DOCUMENTS AND RECORDS PERTAINING TO THIS MATTER; THE CLARK COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS IS DISCHARGED OF ANY FURTHER RESPONSIBILITIES AS SPECIAL DEPUTY CLERK COPIES FILED MAILED TO COUNSEL, DEFENDANTS, PROSECUTORS

This journal entry was posted on all of W4's criminal cases as well as FW and RN's. I've never quite understood it's meaning or purpose.
Might it be related to what you are referring to?

Thanks Puzzles! Great catch! Those Journal Entries can really be helpful! Yes this would be what was referred to in court when Clark County was mentioned I believe....2 Cents.......definitely sounds like what they were talking about.

 

[Puzzles8]

Thanks Puzzles! Great catch! Those Journal Entries can really be helpful! Yes this would be what was referred to in court when Clark County was mentioned I believe....2 Cents...

Looking at an Ohio map, Clark county is just northeast of Dayton. I'm not aware of any case connection to this county.

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

Does LE have direct evidence on the wage that directly links them to the murders? Or is it just a bunch of stalking And a silencer and shows they probably did it?

I thought the wags committed the perfect murder

 

[Cool Cats]

Looking at an Ohio map, Clark county is just northeast of Dayton. I'm not aware of any case connection to this county.

I'm going to look into it further, thanks for mentioning that ALL 6 cases have a connection to Clark County. In Rita's hearing there were records from Clark County that Rita's attorney wanted unsealed having to do with Rita and the 4 Wagner's cases, she was questioned about their cases at least.

But Deering won't unsealed it because it doesn't deal with Rita's criminal case specifically. So you have these 3 other counties involved--Clark--Madison--Adams---and the Pike Clerk of Courts reclusing their self so as not to hurt the case. I am going to listen to the court hearing again and try to actually transcribe some of it. I'm curious now about these 3 other counties etc...

 

[NWLady]

I ran across this video that I hadn't seen before so thought I'd share it.....

The murders of the Rhoden family still haunt small Ohio community

 

[Daytocincy]

I'm going to look into it further, thanks for mentioning that ALL 6 cases have a connection to Clark County. In Rita's hearing there were records from Clark County that Rita's attorney wanted unsealed having to do with Rita and the 4 Wagner's cases, she was questioned about their cases at least.

But Deering won't unsealed it because it doesn't deal with Rita's criminal case specifically. So you have these 3 other counties involved--Clark--Madison--Adams---and the Pike Clerk of Courts reclusing their self so as not to hurt the case. I am going to listen to the court hearing again and try to actually transcribe some of it. I'm curious now about these 3 other counties etc...

Imo, I think that the filing of all search warrants, etc. that was done in Clark County was to protect the integrity of the case. (They didn't want to risk the possibility of any information being leaked. Pike county is a very small county.) I believe Adams county is involved because that's where Jake and GW4's house was where evidence was found. Madison county is where Ohio BCI is located. So Madison county would be the location of any evidence analysis.

 

[Cool Cats]

Imo, I think that the filing of all search warrants, etc. that was done in Clark County was to protect the integrity of the case. (They didn't want to risk the possibility of any information being leaked. Pike county is a very small county.) I believe Adams county is involved because that's where Jake and GW4's house was where evidence was found. Madison county is where Ohio BCI is located. So Madison county would be the location of any evidence analysis.

This really makes sense and helps clears some things up. When the Pike Clerk recused her/himself it was to protect the integrity of the case judge Deering said in court, and yes, as you say, it could be to keep information from leaking , or there was a conflict of interest with the court clerk because the court clerk worked/had worked for the sheriff's office.

Yes absolutely evidence was found in Adams County including the extremely important Well evidence from Peterson road, and your explanation for Madison County really makes sense thankx, appreciate it. You are new with only one message so far, well hope to see many more from you!...

 

[Dudly]

Does LE have direct evidence on the wage that directly links them to the murders? Or is it just a bunch of stalking And a silencer and shows they probably did it?

I thought the wags committed the perfect murder

If a "perfect" murder was ever committed, no one would know...

 

[Dudly]

Imo, I think that the filing of all search warrants, etc. that was done in Clark County was to protect the integrity of the case. (They didn't want to risk the possibility of any information being leaked. Pike county is a very small county.) I believe Adams county is involved because that's where Jake and GW4's house was where evidence was found. Madison county is where Ohio BCI is located. So Madison county would be the location of any evidence analysis.

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