OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #53

[Berrybell]

Being bugged

Being bugged by whom?

 

[Cool Cats]

D - double post

 

[Cool Cats]

PS - My initial attempt in the research above was to put together a W4 timeline after they sold the Peterson property. Notice after that old post I was never able to cobble together that timeline. There was inconsistent and spotty MSM reporting during that time.

As I reread it reminded me of one of Dewines comments referring to the agencies involved in the investigation.

November 13, 2018
At a press conference in Ohio Tuesday, Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said the investigation team traveled thousands of miles to ten separate states as a direct result of this investigation. “That includes some very significant time in Alaska,” he said.

Kenai residents resting easy after Wagner family arrest

I'm very curious to find out all of the reasons they moved to AK, and add to that
What the heck were they doing up there for 11 months...

YOUR QUOTE:
I'm very curious to find out all of the reasons they moved to AK, and add to that
What the heck were they doing up there for 11 months...

Answer: Living the high life with their "toys" off of the Peterson Road money..Opinion..

Hunting, fishing, motorcycle riding, cruising speeding around the area, boating, voting, going to church and Walmart. Keeping low profile. Oh ya, they brought up their two 4 wheelers, have to have those, and Angela sold things on the internet.

It's not clear whether they worked while in Kenai. Locals said they kept a very low-profile.

Public records show the Wagners had a few minor interactions with Alaska authorities as they began to cement their life in their new home.

Mother Angela Wagner registered to vote in Alaska on July 3. So did father George "Billy" Wagner. Later that summer he was fined for not having enough life jackets onboard a boat. He paid the fine.

One of the sons, Edward "Jake" Wagner, applied for a fishing and hunting license around the same time. Jake Wagner got a minor speeding ticket in Kenai in January.

Other than the speeding ticket, Kenai police said they had no interactions with the Wagners, said chief David Ross.

The family moved back to Ohio in the spring of 2018, DeWine said at the press conference.
Neighbor Brad Conklin confirmed they moved in in June 2017 and out in May 2018.

Family accused of Ohio massacre spent months living quietly in an Alaska mobile home

 

[Sleuthinsleuther]

Being bugged by whom?

Feds (LE)

 

[Cool Cats]

The Kenai Police Department and Alaska State Troopers both said they were not involved in the investigation and arrests. They were tired of getting calls about the Wagners in June 2017.

APD not taking calls about Ohio homicide investigation from Anchorage Police Department : Nixle

 

[Berrybell]

Feds (LE)

Exactly how were they being "bugged"? I know they were being investigated but I don't consider being bugged to me being bugged would imply they are were unfairly harassed and I honestly do not think that was the issue.

 

[Puzzles8]

Exactly how were they being "bugged"? I know they were being investigated but I don't consider being bugged to me being bugged would imply they are were unfairly harassed and I honestly do not think that was the issue.

DeWine said with confidence - laser focus on the W4, I'm sure BCI had enough evidence to wire tap and conduct surveillance on them in their AK home. It sounds like BCI knew about their rental location before the W4 arrived. It might have been bugged.

DeWine said they (BCI) spent "a significant amount of time in AK".

Methods of surveillance. The left eye of an owl in a bird house, Alexa, the microphone in your remote controls, the camera in your tv, facebook, google searches, disguised camera boxes attached to utility poles and trail cams.

Tapping phones, text messages, email, GPS on vehicles, locals that were asked to provide information about weapons, ammunition and vehicles. Walmart receipts, amazon, Paypal, gasoline expenditures. The mailman, UPS guy, Fedex guy. Local banks and currency exchanges.

It is truly frightening to realize all of the modern day ways to collect information!

JMO, MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

Exactly how were they being "bugged"? I know they were being investigated but I don't consider being bugged to me being bugged would imply they are were unfairly harassed and I honestly do not think that was the issue.

Being "bugged" requires a court order that the judge signs off on, specifically a wiretap warrant, but there are ways they can monitor you without one.

8 Ways Police Can Spy on You Without a Warrant – Alternet.org

How they do it and what the law says:

1. Phone Records: Who You Called, When You Call
2. Location Data: Your phone is a tracker
3. IP Addresses: What computers you use
4. Emails: Messages you sent months ago
5. Email drafts: drafts are different
6.Text messages: As with emails, so with texts
7. Cloud data: documents, photos, and other stuff stored online
8. Social media: The new privacy frontier

 

[Johnny B Bad]

DeWine said with confidence - laser focus on the W4, I'm sure BCI had enough evidence to wire tap and conduct surveillance on them in their AK home. It sounds like BCI knew about their rental location before the W4 arrived. It might have been bugged.

DeWine said they (BCI) spent "a significant amount of time in AK".

Methods of surveillance. The left eye of an owl in a bird house, Alexa, the microphone in your remote controls, the camera in your tv, facebook, google searches, disguised camera boxes attached to utility poles.

Tapping phones, text messages, email, GPS on vehicles, locals that were asked to provide information about weapons, ammunition and vehicles. Walmart receipts, amazon, Paypal, gasoline expenditures. The mailman, UPS guy, Fedex guy. Local banks and currency exchanges.

It is truly frightening to realize all of the modern day ways to collect information!

JMO, MOO

Rent is very expensive in Alaska, and from AW old Facebook post they got good deal on the home she rented in Alaska, IMO just think if BCI was renting the house from the land owner and re-rented it to the Wagners under a false name, the BCI could had any kind of surveillance system they wanted in the Wagners home when they moved in, also there is no information about Jakes and Elizabeth wedding, how long was the two married before coming back to Ohio? Anyone know anything.

 

[IType]

@Cool Cats, hope you know I'm not arguing, just discussing. To me, it would have been video interviews if the Wagners they had interviewed in person. JMO

According to AW's discovery, there are audio interviews listed from 2016 for AW and BW, which would have been before they left for Alaska.

 

[IType]

YOUR QUOTE:
I'm very curious to find out all of the reasons they moved to AK, and add to that
What the heck were they doing up there for 11 months...

Answer: Living the high life with their "toys" off of the Peterson Road money..Opinion..

Hunting, fishing, motorcycle riding, cruising speeding around the area, boating, voting, going to church and Walmart. Keeping low profile. Oh ya, they brought up their two 4 wheelers, have to have those, and Angela sold things on the internet.

It's not clear whether they worked while in Kenai. Locals said they kept a very low-profile.

Public records show the Wagners had a few minor interactions with Alaska authorities as they began to cement their life in their new home.

Mother Angela Wagner registered to vote in Alaska on July 3. So did father George "Billy" Wagner. Later that summer he was fined for not having enough life jackets onboard a boat. He paid the fine.

One of the sons, Edward "Jake" Wagner, applied for a fishing and hunting license around the same time. Jake Wagner got a minor speeding ticket in Kenai in January.

Other than the speeding ticket, Kenai police said they had no interactions with the Wagners, said chief David Ross.

The family moved back to Ohio in the spring of 2018, DeWine said at the press conference.
Neighbor Brad Conklin confirmed they moved in in June 2017 and out in May 2018.

Family accused of Ohio massacre spent months living quietly in an Alaska mobile home

According to the article linked above (mentioned earlier in the article, before the portion quoted above):

During the spring of 2017, they vacationed in Alaska while authorities in Ohio searched their farmhouse, news reports said at the time.

Then they sold the farm, packed their belongings into a horse trailer and flatbed truck and drove north, moving into a into a double-wide trailer converted into a larger home on Melody Lane, a rural road off the Kenai Spur Highway north of town. (italicized and underscored by me)

This sounds to me as though the W4 made TWO trips to Alaska in 2017, but maybe I'm misunderstanding it.

 

[Cool Cats]

According to the article linked above (mentioned earlier in the article, before the portion quoted above):

During the spring of 2017, they vacationed in Alaska while authorities in Ohio searched their farmhouse, news reports said at the time.

Then they sold the farm, packed their belongings into a horse trailer and flatbed truck and drove north, moving into a into a double-wide trailer converted into a larger home on Melody Lane, a rural road off the Kenai Spur Highway north of town. (italicized and underscored by me)

This sounds to me as though the W4 made TWO trips to Alaska in 2017, but maybe I'm misunderstanding it.

Angela Wagner says when the searches were done the weekend of May 12th 2017 that they were all up in Alaska on a family vacay.

But then she said she was given a copy of the Search Warrants with the addresses listed and also a list of items confiscated.
Then ON THE SAME WEEKEND THE SEARCHES WERE BEING CARRIED OUT, Angela gave an interview, May 13. Then another interview May 16, and another May 21.

I think she is lying when she said they were in Alaska at that time. She was hiding something. Something big. I think anyway. One guess, digging up, moving, hiding evidence, including trying to "bury" cyber evidence. They couldn't get rid of the 500 custody related items in their computers and thus, cyber will sink them. Can't "bury" it. Welcome to 2020.

 

[IType]

Angela Wagner says when the searches were done the weekend of May 12th 2017 that they were all up in Alaska on a family vacay.

But then she said she was given a copy of the Search Warrants with the addresses listed and also a list of items confiscated.
Then ON THE SAME WEEKEND THE SEARCHES WERE BEING CARRIED OUT, Angela gave an interview, May 13. Then another interview May 16, and another May 21.

I think she is lying when she said they were in Alaska at that time. She was hiding something. Something big. I think anyway. One guess, digging up, moving, hiding evidence, including trying to "bury" cyber evidence. They couldn't get rid of the 500 custody related items in their computers and thus, cyber will sink them. Can't "bury" it. Welcome to 2020.

Could very well be...."all the lies they told us" per Dewine

 

[Puzzles8]

According to the article linked above (mentioned earlier in the article, before the portion quoted above):

During the spring of 2017, they vacationed in Alaska while authorities in Ohio searched their farmhouse, news reports said at the time.

Then they sold the farm, packed their belongings into a horse trailer and flatbed truck and drove north, moving into a into a double-wide trailer converted into a larger home on Melody Lane, a rural road off the Kenai Spur Highway north of town. (italicized and underscored by me)

This sounds to me as though the W4 made TWO trips to Alaska in 2017, but maybe I'm misunderstanding it.

BBM - Jake had moved the 3 packed trailers and 2 trucks over to the 41 property just days before the search warrant/raid on the FWF and Peterson property - 5/12/17, 5/13/17.

The W4 must have still been in the area (while claiming to be in AK on vacation) because their vehicles (the 2 trucks) were searched on the 41 property. After the 5/12 w/e searches, the W4 then took the 2 trucks and reloaded trailers to AK.
JMO, MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

Could very well be...."all the lies they told us" per Dewine

Absolutely. I had to get rid of my linear thinking (automatically believing some of the Wagner quotes).

I used to think, oh they were in Alaska twice - because Angie said it to a reporter. But wait, if Angie lies ---- why not lie about their whereabouts?

Their pastor said they had visited Alaska 3 times over a 10 year time frame. If they had just been to Alaska in May 2017, I'm sure he would have mentioned it. He did not. No recent mention of it except when they moved there in June 2017.

They were shoring up their financial affairs in Missouri and Montana (apparently from the discovery) and hiding evidence, probably burying evidence in Missouri and Montana and God only knows where else...Just my take on it.

 

[Cool Cats]

BBM - Jake had moved the 3 packed trailers and 2 trucks over to the 41 property just days before the search warrant/raid on the FWF and Peterson property - 5/12/17, 5/13/17.

The W4 must have still been in the area (while claiming to be in AK on vacation) because their vehicles (the 2 trucks) were searched on the 41 property. After the 5/12 w/e searches, the W4 then took the 2 trucks and reloaded trailers to AK.
JMO, MOO

Good catch.

 

[Puzzles8]

Angela Wagner says when the searches were done the weekend of May 12th 2017 that they were all up in Alaska on a family vacay.

But then she said she was given a copy of the Search Warrants with the addresses listed and also a list of items confiscated.
Then ON THE SAME WEEKEND THE SEARCHES WERE BEING CARRIED OUT, Angela gave an interview, May 13. Then another interview May 16, and another May 21.

I think she is lying when she said they were in Alaska at that time. She was hiding something. Something big. I think anyway. One guess, digging up, moving, hiding evidence, including trying to "bury" cyber evidence. They couldn't get rid of the 500 custody related items in their computers and thus, cyber will sink them. Can't "bury" it. Welcome to 2020.

Where did you find this info?

This is very interesting!

 

[Loomis124]

Being bugged

I would love to have been a fly on the wall! LOL

 

[Johnny B Bad]

BBM - Jake had moved the 3 packed trailers and 2 trucks over to the 41 property just days before the search warrant/raid on the FWF and Peterson property - 5/12/17, 5/13/17.

The W4 must have still been in the area (while claiming to be in AK on vacation) because their vehicles (the 2 trucks) were searched on the 41 property. After the 5/12 w/e searches, the W4 then took the 2 trucks and reloaded trailers to AK.
JMO, MOO

What you just said made me think Who tip the Wagners off that the farms where going to be searched, Jake didn’t take all that stuff to Mr Browns car lot just because he didn’t have room for it, FW was tipped off about the searchers, JMO

 

[Puzzles8]

What you just said made me think Who tip the Wagners off that the farms where going to be searched, Jake didn’t take all that stuff to Mr Browns car lot just because he didn’t have room for it, FW was tipped off about the searchers, JMO

I could not agree more....