OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #53

[Merrygirl]

Loomis
Am I right saying that those documents about the 500 text in excel spreadsheet was found at Big Bear Lake, or am I wrong?

‘I guess I always assumed that the spreadsheet in Discovery was a compilation of the texts taken from phone(s)by BCI. It never occurred to me that W4 may have kept it. You could be right but why would W4 do that? Sorry if I misunderstood the question. I’m just trying to understand all phases of this crime. Praying for justice for R/G/M families.

Edited by me.

 

[Merrygirl]

If this was Billy Wagners spreadsheet why was it left at Big Bear Lake, something to think about,
We talked about none of the Wagners going to the Church or to any of the Funerals but RW didn’t go to any of them ether also the request for a horse ride for donations to the Rhodens funerals was denied by RW, I wonder how far the fear of FW goes? JMO

BBM, That’s interesting. Idk that.

 

[Merrygirl]

Yes from the Discovery:

Missouri

176 Highway P Property
BCI Photos (36)
Listing Written Description (8 pp)
Photos From Listing (60)
Fairway Lending Subpoena (1 p)
Fairway Lending -- Residential Loan Application (202 pp)
Movement Mortgage
Mortage Documents (62 pp)

Montana

Letter (1 p)
SW-7-2017-255 (59 pp)
SW-7-3017-256 (59 pp)

I’m glad you brought this up. I have been wondering what this info could mean regarding the murders and want to know what theories others have. At first I assumed the BCI photos may have been where some evidence may have been hidden but I don’t understand why the description of property or the Fairway Lending app would have anything to do with the murders. I suppose the lending app could have falsification of records regarding lying about assets, etc but that wouldn’t apply to the murders. If they falsified the records then (my theory) it would support the history of being dishonest for personal gain and/or intent to hide identities but the app was denied. Surely BCI could have found enough evidence of deception here in Ohio. The letter from Montana is intriguing to me. The letter is of 1 page but two reports of 59 pages each. How much evidence and what could it mean to fill up that amount of content? What are some theories?

 

[Merrygirl]

‘Betty, I agree with you about the mysteriousness around BD. I have been racking my brain trying to figure out if he really has something to contribute to this case and what it could be. I have some questions I would like to put out there for sleuthers to think about:

1) FG was willing to use him as a defense witness for his client. Do you think the info BD would contribute about the custody documents WOULD ONLY exonerate RN or could we see him again as a defense witness for W4?
2) Do you think FG would share this info with the other attys or do you think it would be more helpful for RN if he shared it with the prosecution? His first priority is to win (preferably for his client) but other than his client do you think his loyalties will be to W4 or prosecution?

I have waffled back and forth and now I have myself confused. Lol. I originally thought FG was only using him as a threat to prosecution to drop all charges. However, BD must have something important cuz AC wasn’t willing to reveal her hand in order to prove RN guilty. Now that there is a deal for RN in the works, does BD still have something valuable that will help the W4 or was this just a bluff? Remember FG still has to protect RN as she will be testifying that these were not her signatures in court. He wouldn’t want her to say something that will bring some of her charges back or possibly additional charges. If FG believes in the guilt of W4 do you think he would do the honorable thing or would he be more loyal to RN’s family? If BD has legitimate “custody” agreements that were initiated before the murders and not finalized until after the murders then this could be a plus for W4 since the focus is on custody. Everything is hypothetical of course but I would like to hear from others.

Just an after-thought on the “custody documents”: do you suppose AW was trying to save $$ by doing custody documents herself instead of using a lawyer and downloaded the wrong forms but didn’t know the difference? My theory only.

 

[Merrygirl]

YOUR QUOTE:
I'm very curious to find out all of the reasons they moved to AK, and add to that
What the heck were they doing up there for 11 months...

Answer: Living the high life with their "toys" off of the Peterson Road money..Opinion..

Hunting, fishing, motorcycle riding, cruising speeding around the area, boating, voting, going to church and Walmart. Keeping low profile. Oh ya, they brought up their two 4 wheelers, have to have those, and Angela sold things on the internet.

It's not clear whether they worked while in Kenai. Locals said they kept a very low-profile.

Public records show the Wagners had a few minor interactions with Alaska authorities as they began to cement their life in their new home.

Mother Angela Wagner registered to vote in Alaska on July 3. So did father George "Billy" Wagner. Later that summer he was fined for not having enough life jackets onboard a boat. He paid the fine.

One of the sons, Edward "Jake" Wagner, applied for a fishing and hunting license around the same time. Jake Wagner got a minor speeding ticket in Kenai in January.

Other than the speeding ticket, Kenai police said they had no interactions with the Wagners, said chief David Ross.

The family moved back to Ohio in the spring of 2018, DeWine said at the press conference.
Neighbor Brad Conklin confirmed they moved in in June 2017 and out in May 2018.

Family accused of Ohio massacre spent months living quietly in an Alaska mobile home

JMO but do you suppose AW continued to sell dogs, pigs or horses for FW while in AK? That may have provided some income under-the-table for awhile. It’s something she may have been able to do by phone or internet. Or maybe FW just supported them for a little while and perhaps they may have sold some of their toys. Just thoughts.

 

[Merrygirl]

There isn't any proof that the W's ever took their belongings to FW's and then moved them to the Brown's. If so, please post link.

No, but some of it may have STARTED at FW, imoo

 

[Merrygirl]

Does anyone besides me continue to watch what is happening in Pike and surrounding counties on a daily basis? Perhaps not, since we know the murderers are behind bars. But I still watch. And learn. Wow, do I learn.

‘Yes, I do. I grew up in Scioto Co but moved to Gallia Co 45 yrs ago. My work takes me all over the southeast quadrant of Ohio and my bro lives in Cincy. So anything South of US 70 is fair game. All interconnected, especially with drugs and human trafficking.

 

[Cool Cats]

I’m glad you brought this up. I have been wondering what this info could mean regarding the murders and want to know what theories others have. At first I assumed the BCI photos may have been where some evidence may have been hidden but I don’t understand why the description of property or the Fairway Lending app would have anything to do with the murders. I suppose the lending app could have falsification of records regarding lying about assets, etc but that wouldn’t apply to the murders. If they falsified the records then (my theory) it would support the history of being dishonest for personal gain and/or intent to hide identities but the app was denied. Surely BCI could have found enough evidence of deception here in Ohio. The letter from Montana is intriguing to me. The letter is of 1 page but two reports of 59 pages each. How much evidence and what could it mean to fill up that amount of content? What are some theories?

176 Highway P, Long Lane, MO 65590 - realtor.com®

Obvious why they wanted to buy this. Price was dropped April 10, 2017 from $219,000 to $199,000 but I bet they couldn't get those 2 mortgage lenders to OK them.

 

[Cool Cats]

JMO but do you suppose AW continued to sell dogs, pigs or horses for FW while in AK? That may have provided some income under-the-table for awhile. It’s something she may have been able to do by phone or internet. Or maybe FW just supported them for a little while and perhaps they may have sold some of their toys. Just thoughts.

Angie was selling things on the internet here is a children's playhouse:
Angela Wagner

Cute Pink Little Tikes Storybook Cottage

 

[Merrygirl]

176 Highway P, Long Lane, MO 65590 - realtor.com®

Obvious why they wanted to buy this. Price was dropped April 10, 2017 from $219,000 to $199,000 but I bet they couldn't get those 2 mortgage lenders to OK them.

Looks like a beautiful place but I can’t figure out how this ties in as evidence to a murder trial. I would love to live there too. Lol.

 

[Cool Cats]

Just an after-thought on the “custody documents”: do you suppose AW was trying to save $$ by doing custody documents herself instead of using a lawyer and downloaded the wrong forms but didn’t know the difference? My theory only.

She couldn't use a lawyer. You get nortarized right in a lawyer's office and can't fake any signatures. HR would have to be in the office. So she bypassed the lawyer,
downloaded her own forms, and faked Rita's signature instead .
....2 Cents....

 

[Cool Cats]

Looks like a beautiful place but I can’t figure out how this ties in as evidence to a murder trial. I would love to live there too. Lol.

Well it ties into a timeline. There is a whole timeline of the investigation so maybe when they were taking out, trying to take out, those 2 mortgage loans it ties into a significant time frame of events that LE was following.

It could also tie into motive if they had been looking at that property before April 2016 because they couldn't take S at that time. A forensic computer search might be revealing things they were plotting and planning to do once the Rhodens were "not around to stop them."

...2 Cents...

 

[Puzzles8]

176 Highway P, Long Lane, MO 65590 - realtor.com®

Obvious why they wanted to buy this. Price was dropped April 10, 2017 from $219,000 to $199,000 but I bet they couldn't get those 2 mortgage lenders to OK them.

Is there any date information of the property's subsequent sale? Date or transfer price?

 

[Puzzles8]

JMO but do you suppose AW continued to sell dogs, pigs or horses for FW while in AK? That may have provided some income under-the-table for awhile. It’s something she may have been able to do by phone or internet. Or maybe FW just supported them for a little while and perhaps they may have sold some of their toys. Just thoughts.

Confused, are you suggesting they brought Ohio livestock to AK with them, or that they were trying to sell some of FW's livestock back in OH?

 

[Cool Cats]

Is there any date information of the property's subsequent sale? Date or transfer price?

Property History for 176 Highway P
This property was not sold in the last 6 years.

Apr 10, 2017
Price Changed to $199,000

Jun 17, 2014
Listed for $219,000

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  Property Details for 176 Highway P
  • Status
    Off Market
  • Price/Sq Ft
    No Info
  • Type
    Farms/Ranches
  • Built
    1995

Listing presented by United Country Vip Realty

176 Highway P, Long Lane, MO 65590 - realtor.com®

History data displayed is obtained from public records and/or MLS feeds from the local jurisdiction. Contact your REALTOR® directly in order to obtain latest information.

 

[Merrygirl]

Confused, are you suggesting they brought Ohio livestock to AK with them, or that they were trying to sell some of FW's livestock back in OH?

I don’t believe they took any livestock with them but she may have arranged for buyers. I know there are laws regarding transfer of livestock across state lines and I assume the same or similar laws in Canada. But I recall something was said early on that FW sometimes went to AK to sell some of her high dollar horses but I don’t recall a timeframe. That may have been in the 1990s. It was just a theory.

 

[Puzzles8]

Property History for 176 Highway P
This property was not sold in the last 6 years.

Apr 10, 2017
Price Changed to $199,000

Jun 17, 2014
Listed for $219,000

• 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Property Details for 176 Highway P
  • Status
    Off Market
  • Price/Sq Ft
    No Info
  • Type
    Farms/Ranches
  • Built
    1995

Listing presented by United Country Vip Realty

176 Highway P, Long Lane, MO 65590 - realtor.com®

History data displayed is obtained from public records and/or MLS feeds from the local jurisdiction. Contact your REALTOR® directly in order to obtain latest information.

This is quite interesting. I have always assumed they tried to buy property on their way back to OH. Hoping to avoid returning to OH.

I don’t believe they took any livestock with them but she may have arranged for buyers. I know there are laws regarding transfer of livestock across state lines and I assume the same or similar laws in Canada. But I recall something was said early on that FW sometimes went to AK to sell some of her high dollar horses but I don’t recall a timeframe. That may have been in the 1990s. It was just a theory.

Thank you for this information! I never knew the W's might have had any prior connections to AK except for occasional vacations as well as knowing the C family of preachers.

The C's had a pretty strong OH/AK connection, it appears the C family was native to SW Ohio. Hhmmmmm..

It also might explain why the W4 ended up in Kenai. The W's had "friends" there.

Do you think we could try to research the sale of those "horses", and to whom? I can't imagine the cost and wear on the horses to transport them over land to AK. It is very plausible there were substantial exchanges of cash exchanged, but maybe not related to the sale of horses.

Follow the money..

This is completely an out there theory, so JMO, MOO. All I'm trying to do is connect the few dots we have! They may not be connected at and but fall under the category of "Small World".

Food for thought.

 

[OhioBlues]

She couldn't use a lawyer. You get nortarized right in a lawyer's office and can't fake any signatures. HR would have to be in the office. So she bypassed the lawyer,
downloaded her own forms, and faked Rita's signature instead .
....2 Cents....

Wouldn't there have to be 2 sets of documents? One for custody and one in the event that HR would die.

The W's wouldn't have tried to get HR to sign the Texas document because that was a 'what in the event that HR dies then SW goes to the W's', would they?

It seems like they probably had actual custody documents that they asked HR to sign.

jmo

 

[Loomis124]

‘Yes, I do. I grew up in Scioto Co but moved to Gallia Co 45 yrs ago. My work takes me all over the southeast quadrant of Ohio and my bro lives in Cincy. So anything South of US 70 is fair game. All interconnected, especially with drugs and human trafficking.

Thank you. It sure seems that way. Still waiting to see what comes of Merean. I saw in the Portsmouth paper where Brisker finally lost his license recently. I sure hope that trafficking ring goes down and everyone involved is put away. JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Wouldn't there have to be 2 sets of documents? One for custody and one in the event that HR would die.

The W's wouldn't have tried to get HR to sign the Texas document because that was a 'what in the event that HR dies then SW goes to the W's', would they?

It seems like they probably had actual custody documents that they asked HR to sign.

jmo

Interesting. I was under the impression these custody documents were only in case of death and not for current custody because the Wagners put it out in the MSM that they had not yet finalized a current custody agreement, so then they can't turn around and now say "oh yeah we did and Hanna signed it."

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Updated 11:35 a.m. EDT June 26, 2017

"Rather, Angela Wagner said:

the couple wanted to legally formalize their agreed-upon shared custody arrangement."

"Wanted to" not done yet.

I think Jake was using Daily to get custody after April 22, 2016 but it's possible Jake consulted him about joint custody when he and Hanna were actually sharing custody.
Perhaps Jake didn't like what he heard and felt it would be better to go down a different path -- the evil way he chose.