OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #53

[Puzzles8]

One thing most people, often forget is. Their is a reason why, a lawyer becomes a Prosecutor. And not a defense attorney. You do not have to be a good lawyer to be a Prosecutor.

You will starve if your not a good defense lawyer.

Prosecuting Attorney Annual Salary in Ohio ($59,582 Avg | Dec 2019) - ZipRecruiter

Criminal Defense Attorney Lawyer Salaries in Ohio | Indeed.com


If your not a very good lawyer your a prosecutor, and you would much rather, sell the victims out. Plea bargaining, then making the criminal pay for their crimes. Then to prove why your a prosecuting attorney.

A good defense attorney, is going to bleed the criminal for everything they can. Just as RN attorney did, He milked, the state out of every dollar, he could, with his motions and delays. Until he seen he could not go down, that path any longer. Now he had to convinced, RN to take a deal and he can still bill the state, representing her as a witness.

Defense attorney do not care if someone is guilty, it is squeezing the most money possible. Out of their clients. (Or the State with the 4W's} Any of the 4W's gets a better deal then the others. Will make that legal team a lot more money down the road.

The state will pay more to the defense teams, then the Prosecuting team. If you was one of the defense Lawyers, and could drag this out a few years. While billing the state for 1000's of hours. Why would you want to settle it?

But the prosecutor wants it closed. So they will offer a deal.

And know one will care about any of these families when the money stops coming in.

I am going to respectfully disagree with you about the reason people become both State Prosecutors and Public Defenders. State Prosecutors and Public Defenders don't make top money and work long hours, so why do they do it? IMO, they do it for the same reasons people become Social Workers. It is the chance to make a difference in this world.

There is a vast difference between attorneys who choose to become Public Defenders and those that choose to become Ambulance Chasers.

PD defend the indigent, those that can't afford top lawyers to argue for their basic Constitutional Rights. The PD tries and researches possible defenses, they do their best. They don't have a dog ($) in the fight or a choice in the next case they are assigned. They are just trying to defend peoples rights.

On the other hand an ambulance chaser attorney will only take cases they know they can negotiate for a big $$$ settlement. Then they walk away with a huge % $ of the win, which is usually the greatest part of the settlement.

RN did not elect to declare indigence to the court for her case, so the state of Ohio hasn't paid one penny for her defense, but the question remains.

Who is paying FG and what is their interest in the outcome of this case?

JMO. MOO, etc.....

 

[Merrygirl]

Thank you. It sure seems that way. Still waiting to see what comes of Merean. I saw in the Portsmouth paper where Brisker finally lost his license recently. I sure hope that trafficking ring goes down and everyone involved is put away. JMO

So do I. One of the major pill mill docs was finally sentence—MT— but I think the sentence was extremely light imo. (Roll eyes) I know there is a OOT lawyer doing a lot of fact finding on the drug/human trafficking pipeline that is trying to bring it all down. Hope she succeeds but I have my doubts. She was seen in the “Missing Women of Chillicothe” series. I hope she takes Mearan down too.

 

[Merrygirl]

Thank you. It sure seems that way. Still waiting to see what comes of Merean. I saw in the Portsmouth paper where Brisker finally lost his license recently. I sure hope that trafficking ring goes down and everyone involved is put away. JMO

So do I. One of the major pill mill docs was finally sentence—MT— but I think the sentence was extremely light imo. (Roll eyes) I know there is a OOT lawyer doing a lot of fact finding on the drug/human trafficking pipeline that is trying to bring it all down. Hope she succeeds but I have my doubts. She was seen in the “Missing Women of Chillicothe” series. I hope she takes Mearan down too.

 

[Merrygirl]

You are probably 100% correct.

No factual links here. just my hunch. JMO, MOO.

The truth will eventually come out.

‘Here is one of the MSM posts but I’m looking for another that I recall AW spoke of it also.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...ngs-daughter-s-mother-family-ohio-pot-n937166

 

[Cool Cats]

‘Here is one of the MSM posts but I’m looking for another that I recall AW spoke of it also.
Suspect in killings of daughter's mother and family sought custody just 6 days after the murders

AW?

 

[Loomis124]

If this doesn't prove something was awry with JW being the father of SW, I don't know what would. As several of you have said, why not just take a paternity test? #1 answer is because it would prove otherwise.

Now I wonder...was CG Sophia's father, too? IDK, but something is rotten with JW being her father. Opinion.

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[Cool Cats]

• It is interesting to me to read this again knowing that we understand that Angie forged Rita's signature. Gives new understanding to Angela's manipulative and controlling ways....in my opinion only.
• Transcription (not professional) in case anyone missed it and is interested:
• November 2018 - January 2019 the phone calls between Rita and Angela are all about how they can't talk to each other:
  
  First call November 2018:
  
  Miranda (sp?) Chris Newcome's girlfriend,
  answers Angela's phone call and tells her, yes, Rita is home. Angela says she " wants to talk to Rita and tell her hi real quick" but Miranda says that "Rita is not allowed to talk to her."
  
  Miranda then hands the phone over to Granny Beesler (Rita's mom) Rita shouts in the background "we are trying to get her to talk!" Angela says " absolutely not! Do not talk to Granny Beesler! "
  (I have no idea why she shouts this?)
  
  November 28-2018:
  
  Rita hands phone off to Granny and Granny asks Angela if she wants to talk to Rita, Angela says "no I'm not allowed, we can't talk about the case. "
  
  December 8-2018:
  
  Chris puts on the speaker phone and allows Angela and Jake to have a conversation.
  
  December 28-2018:
  
  Angela says "the only people I'm not allowed to talk to is Billy, George, Jake, Rita and Freddie."
  
  January 10-2019:
  
  Rita gets back from her pre-trial and Angie calls and Rita tells her that "in Court today she was told she couldn't talk to anybody"
  
  January 18-2019:
  
  Granny and Angela are on the phone together and Granny tells Angela that Rita wants to get on the phone with her and tell her she loves her. Angela says "she's not allowed to do that."
  Angela then asks granny how "Billy is doing" and says "she knows she can't pass messages to him and Jake and George but they can't begrudge her wanting to know how everyone's doing."
  Angela tells Granny that Rita "sent her a letter" and that "she knows they aren't allowed to write each other or talk about the case. "
  
  January 19-2019:
  
  Angela says "she received a written Court Summary telling her she's not allowed to talk to them. "
  
  June - July - 2019
  There are 11 phone calls where they start talking more:
  
  June or July 2019
• Angela tells Rita NOT to testify against them, that she does not have to do it!
• June or July -2019
  Rita says "I know I'm not suppose to talk about this on here but," she then asks " where are the Custody Documents located? " Angela answers Rita that "there is a plastic tub with the words important stuff written on it and inside are the Custody Documents. "
  
  Angela talks about the "date at the bottom of the document--April 2016--that this is when the documents were printed out" and she says she "copied it over and there are things her attorney is looking for." Rita tells her attorney about the tub of Custody Documents and her attorney wants them and files a Discovery Motion and brings up this subject in Court.
  
  June or July: 2019
  Rita and Angela discuss the Case and Angela gives Rita certain "buzz words to use if Rita takes the stand to testify."Angela says "she thinks that will work to explain the Custody Documents."
  Rita says she "hopes she doesn't go to jail, that she needs to get off the phone, she doesn't want to get into trouble for talking."
• 
  
• Angela ignores her mom and still keeps talking to her.
  
  June or July: 2019
  Angela says "let me tell you what my attorney said, I'm probably not suppose to say this on here but here's what he said to me." Angela goes on to tell Rita the "theories her attorney has for the case that she can use in her trial. "
  
  June or July: 2019
  Angie discusses "case strategy telling her mom what to say in court and what not to say." And she discusses with Rita "whether or not they should testify at their trials. "

ANGIE AND RITA'S PHONE CONVERSATIONS - FROM CANEPA IN COURT
It's at the end of Rita's Revocation Hearing Part One.
One hour and 16 minutes in...

 

[Fight4justice]

I always had a feeling that the custody papers were more for an alibi than actual custody. He is the father, so of course, custody would go to him upon the Mothers death as long as he can establish proof of a prior relationship with the child, provide a proper home, etc... and I haven’t heard of him and his family abusing or mistreating S, so yes they had a relationship, as far as we know he was a decent father to S, and yes he could provide a proper home so no reason not to grant him custody in the case of the Mother’s death. So the custody papers could have been to alibi why they didn’t commit the murders. Why would I kill HR Mr. Investigator, she had already signed over custody to me, so why would I harm her or her family? Or as another poster said, he couldn’t take a paternity test because he knew that S wasn’t his. And if he knew she wasn’t his, he obviously did not tell his family, I don’t see them being obsessed with a child that wasn’t blood related. My opinion only. Happy New Year everyone!

 

[Merrygirl]

My only answer is perhaps there's more to the Discovery.

Since RN's case is pretty much stopped in time, this leaves the Dailey files and the guardianship documents in limbo. JMO

‘I believe in one of RN’s pretrial (maybe Mar/Apr) FG states “the documents have been referred to by the Prosecution as ‘custody documents’ but they are really guardianship papers.” Link provided below @around the 1:30 hr Mark. I think they have been misnamed from the start. That’s why I was wondering if anyone thinks perhaps AW was trying to find custody documents and downloaded the wrong forms?

 

[Loomis124]

OMG you've got to be kidding me, Ohio! Currently 25 inmates besides the 4 Wags, for Pike County Ohio! Have you taken away all their funding, Pike County Commissioners? I can't imagine you're keeping the county safe!

https://wp2.pikecosheriff.com/

I remember well when Sheriff Reader kept 75-100 daily inmates on the roster!

 

[Merrygirl]

....I am looking forward to hearing the opening statements in court for the first trial. When the prosecution lays out the entire case to the jury. Then the defense will do likewise.
I do worry about it not being videoed though. Without video of it I would have to get the transcript because I want to know everything that will be said. Wish we knew about cameras in the courtroom.

CourtTv was in town on Monday for the trial of the baby found in the well in Scioto Co. I haven’t had time yet to see if it was televised yet.

EBM: I did see that a summary of jury selection was on Court TV for Monday 1/6 and on Tuesday 1/7 was opening statements for States of Ohio and Defense. Nothing is posted yet for today. I also noticed they are doing both defendants at the same time but each has his/her own lawyer. Interesting. I am planning to watch these now and will report back any interesting findings if anyone is interested.

 

[Cool Cats]

CourtTv was in town on Monday for the trial of the baby found in the well. I haven’t had time yet to see if it was televised yet.

Thankx

 

[Loomis124]

CourtTv was in town on Monday for the trial of the baby found in the well. I haven’t had time yet to see if it was televised yet.

What happened to that poor baby was unimaginable. I wish that mom and dad could get the same -- an eye for an eye.

 

[Loomis124]

CourtTv was in town on Monday for the trial of the baby found in the well. I haven’t had time yet to see if it was televised yet.

Thanks so much for letting us know, Merrygirl. I pray the Wagner trials will be shown but most of all that all four will die by the death penalty. My opinion only, but let that not diminish my opinion. Can each of us think in terms of 8 members of our family murdered in cold blood, shot with guns touching skin, around the head, in the face, in the extremities...and then say oh yeah, these people that are in prison, God bless them. Hail No! Not I! I will stand with the victims as long as I live! No one deserved to die like this! And no one like the Wagners in custody deserves to live. Opinion based on Discovery documents presented by the Prosecution.

 

[OhioBlues]

I always had a feeling that the custody papers were more for an alibi than actual custody. He is the father, so of course, custody would go to him upon the Mothers death as long as he can establish proof of a prior relationship with the child, provide a proper home, etc... and I haven’t heard of him and his family abusing or mistreating S, so yes they had a relationship, as far as we know he was a decent father to S, and yes he could provide a proper home so no reason not to grant him custody in the case of the Mother’s death. So the custody papers could have been to alibi why they didn’t commit the murders. Why would I kill HR Mr. Investigator, she had already signed over custody to me, so why would I harm her or her family? Or as another poster said, he couldn’t take a paternity test because he knew that S wasn’t his. And if he knew she wasn’t his, he obviously did not tell his family, I don’t see them being obsessed with a child that wasn’t blood related. My opinion only. Happy New Year everyone!

I have a different opinion but different opinions are what WS is all about.

I just don't understand how custody papers could be an alibi for murder(s). He never even showed these papers to anyone.

I don't agree that he would have received custody based on this. https://www.lascinti.org/wp-content/uploads/Unmarried-Fathers.pdf Hanna had 100% custody and made all of the legal, medical and financial payments for SW. He never ever went thru the courts to establish paternity or to pay support. If you don't pay thru the court etc then it does not count.

The court considers domestic violence (per the Ohio guidelines).


The court would no doubt consider his age and HR's age and know of Count 23.

JW was obsessed with HR, killing HR, custody/control of SW and his financial payoff.

jmo

 

[Cool Cats]

I have a different opinion but different opinions are what WS is all about.

I just don't understand how custody papers could be an alibi for murder(s). He never even showed these papers to anyone.

I don't agree that he would have received custody based on this. https://www.lascinti.org/wp-content/uploads/Unmarried-Fathers.pdf Hanna had 100% custody and made all of the legal, medical and financial payments for SW. He never ever went thru the courts to establish paternity or to pay support. If you don't pay thru the court etc then it does not count.

The court considers domestic violence (per the Ohio guidelines).


The court would no doubt consider his age and HR's age and know of Count 23.

JW was obsessed with HR, killing HR, custody/control of SW and his financial payoff.

jmo

Thankx for the info I always assumed the dad gets the child period - no matter what - unless incompotent. (If mom can't)
These child custody laws in Ohio are paramount to this case and worth discussion.
(If in fact these horrible evil murders are based on custody)

 

[Puzzles8]

I have a different opinion but different opinions are what WS is all about.

I just don't understand how custody papers could be an alibi for murder(s). He never even showed these papers to anyone.

I don't agree that he would have received custody based on this. https://www.lascinti.org/wp-content/uploads/Unmarried-Fathers.pdf Hanna had 100% custody and made all of the legal, medical and financial payments for SW. He never ever went thru the courts to establish paternity or to pay support. If you don't pay thru the court etc then it does not count.

The court considers domestic violence (per the Ohio guidelines).


The court would no doubt consider his age and HR's age and know of Count 23.

JW was obsessed with HR, killing HR, custody/control of SW and his financial payoff.

jmo

I can't agree with you more. The most important part of having a well moderated website like this is to allow us to constructively debate the facts and suspected conclusions as well as to vet out rumor and allow intelligent debate about the facts.

 

[Cool Cats]

I can't agree with you more. The most important part of having a well moderated website like this is to allow us to constructively debate the facts and suspected conclusions as well as to vet out rumor and allow intelligent debate about the facts.

Thankx for saying this: "vet out rumor "

Because I zone-in on rumor to analyze/debunk it.

It's a big thing with me.

Rumor not welcome - give me the facts of the case..OK?

Not playing

 

[Loomis124]

I have a different opinion but different opinions are what WS is all about.

I just don't understand how custody papers could be an alibi for murder(s). He never even showed these papers to anyone.

I don't agree that he would have received custody based on this. https://www.lascinti.org/wp-content/uploads/Unmarried-Fathers.pdf Hanna had 100% custody and made all of the legal, medical and financial payments for SW. He never ever went thru the courts to establish paternity or to pay support. If you don't pay thru the court etc then it does not count.

The court considers domestic violence (per the Ohio guidelines).


The court would no doubt consider his age and HR's age and know of Count 23.

JW was obsessed with HR, killing HR, custody/control of SW and his financial payoff.

jmo

Totally agree!

 

[sunshineray]

She acknowledged he was the father whether he was on the birth certificate or not. They planned the baby and set a wedding date and lived together and then she gave him 50% custody. I think his problem was getting legal joint custody where he can make the important legal decisions because he was an adult and she was only 15 when HR got pregnant.
I think he was afraid of pushing it in court, for his legal parental rights for joint custody, because she never married him and without marrying him he could be charged.
She messed it up for him by not marrying him. Had she married then divorced him, he would have no problem getting legal joint custody where he could make decisions.

She allowed him time with her but he had no legal parental rights to her. He wanted more. For some reason he didn't see the court system working out for him. Or he actually really did want the full custody and not just joint custody.
,,,2 Cents ...

You last paragraph, I think it was both. He wasn't on the birth certificate, she called off the wedding and moved on from him to another man. Unless he pressed it in court, he would be at her determination regarding his daughter. If he pressed it in court, he could be labeled a child predator for getting an underaged girl pregnant. He concluded that he couldn't live with either senario.

I'm not agreeing with his mind calculations just musing what he could of been thinking or what he was convinced of, by his family.