OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #54

[Cool Cats]

Agree with you, but to me the most damning evidence is in the W4's court records. Billy and Angie were never truly held accountable or punished for any of the crimes they ever committed (well, up to the murders). There were cases that were dismissed because the time limitations had expired. But, in one way or another the W4 got away without any jail time or consequences.

That strongly speaks to me the family had some very strong "influence" in the area with both the prosecuting attorney's and the judges.

JMO. MOO, etc.

I think it was Fred paying for good attorneys at getting them good deals. This I do know, that the right attorneys can have the right relationships and the right ties with the prosecutor on the case, this is what I think was going on, more so than any great family influence. It was high priced attorney influence. I have seen this. Of course just opinion.

 

[Cool Cats]

I don't think she was asleep. How could she be? I think most of us is of the opinion that Dana was killed first and probably was not in bed (per April's statement of what James told her). I think it is the general opinion she was found lying either in the living room or hallway. Chris JR heard and tried to hide so that lets us know the shots and noise (perhaps screaming ect) was loud enough for him to hear, otherwise why would he hide? So therefore the only conclusion we can draw is Hanna also heard and was awake. Jake may be a coward, but he is also a narcissistic psychopath who would take extreme pleasure in torturing and hurting the woman who hurt him by leaving. So you can bet the farm she died last after he told her how many of her family he had killed. It fits with what we know of him and how he acts in court.

JMO

I am going to see what the prosecutor says about this at trial and hope to God we find out they didn't suffer. The time will come when this will all come out unless they plea and there are no trials.

 

[Cool Cats]

BBM

How about a drug trafficking ring? Some of those (Horse Chronicles) experiences mentions hiding drugs inside horses that were being transported. The head of such a ring would wield enormous power in any given county. Under cover power driven by fear, whispered about behind closed doors, with a few dirty cops thrown in. Explains the wealth and how they kept it also. Keep in mind that Charlie was not an elected sheriff at the time of the murders so he called in BCI. He took over from a sheriff who was ousted along with some deputies for lets say "crooked" dealings. All I got to say is it is a great thing that AC is running the show and not Junk who was BFF's with more than a few of those questionable cops. JJ comes to mind.

JMO

Not sure what you mean. I don't think Fred got rich hiding drugs in horses. I don't think Fred had anything to do with drugs or she would be in jail right now busted.

I don't know what you mean about Charlie not being the "elected" Sheriff at the time of the murders. For sure he was the appointed Sheriff.

According to this list he was definitely the Sheriff of Pike County Ohio in April 2016. And the reason he called in BCI was because he needed their help. Plain and simple. This is what BCI does.

Past Sheriffs

List of all past Sheriffs in Pike County Ohio from 1815 to present.

42. Jim Nelson 2019-Current

41. Charles S. Reader 2015-2019

40. Richard N. Henderson 2009 – 2015


As Pike County sheriff is sworn in, he says Rhoden murders remain priority

"..Since being appointed sheriff in May 2015, Reader has faced a variety of high-profile cases and challenges. He inherited the investigation of a fatal police-involved shooting, where the deputy has since been charged with murder. Then that same deputy shot and killed a neighbor and has been charged in that case as well. He has since been fired and is awaiting trial in both cases.."

 

[IType]

Somebody spent a lot of money on all the toys that GW4 and brother Jake had, and also these people drove vehicles that cost over $50,000 new, they had the very best horse trailer and several acreage of land they would have had to sell a lot of pigs, dogs and horses, JMO I really can’t see it at all, the family except for the oldest son depended on Flying W for a living plus the workers FW has employed.

Im sorry if I make someone mad about the doubt I have for the legit of Fredericka and the Flying-W-Farm / Nursing home for the the mentally disabled, businesses. I read all the past legal lawsuits that FW got by with, to evict poor people off her land after they pay thousands for land contracts, what about the 4 people she had in the so called Nursing home that paid FW, RW and a few others a big salary to run it from the Sate of Ohio, FW claimed big tax breaks on the Church and that Nursing Home she had every year, FW had people that worked in Pike County courthouse to help her do the poor wrong, when the poor couldn’t pay interest rate that was so high that the Rockefeller’s couldn’t pay it, those people was trying to just have a home . FW stood up on national tv telling the world with a bible in one hand and a picture of Jesus in the other hand that her family where innocent, ( Bullcrap) when she talks on camera with a smile that can’t be trusted, if I’m wrong about how the News media has laid out all that I wrote about for us to see please again fore give if I’m out of line, JMO

Another possibility for FW's wealth is investments. She and her husband could have major, major investments through stocks and/or annuities, etc., that could provide them with a steady income in addition to the livestock, land, nursing/group home and church. Since investments are all private info, there is no way we as lay people could know the value of it. Many wealthy individuals invest and "let the money do the work". It is entirely possible the farm could lose money--even a lot of money--but investment income would be enough to cover the losses and still keep the family comfortably provided for. IMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

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Another possibility for FW's wealth is investments. She and her husband could have major, major investments through stocks and/or annuities, etc., that could provide them with a steady income in addition to the livestock, land, nursing/group home and church. Since investments are all private info, there is no way we as lay people could know the value of it. Many wealthy individuals invest and "let the money do the work". It is entirely possible the farm could lose money--even a lot of money--but investment income would be enough to cover the losses and still keep the family comfortably provided for. IMO

If Fredericka is so wealthy and loves her family so much, why don’t she pay for attorneys fees and show the world that she truly believes that the Wagners 4 didn’t kill the Rhodens, JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Not sure what you mean. I don't think Fred got rich hiding drugs in horses. I don't think Fred had anything to do with drugs or she would be in jail right now busted.

I don't know what you mean about Charlie not being the "elected" Sheriff at the time of the murders. For sure he was the appointed Sheriff.

According to this list he was definitely the Sheriff of Pike County Ohio in April 2016. And the reason he called in BCI was because he needed their help. Plain and simple. This is what BCI does.

Past Sheriffs

List of all past Sheriffs in Pike County Ohio from 1815 to present.

42. Jim Nelson 2019-Current

41. Charles S. Reader 2015-2019

40. Richard N. Henderson 2009 – 2015


As Pike County sheriff is sworn in, he says Rhoden murders remain priority

"..Since being appointed sheriff in May 2015, Reader has faced a variety of high-profile cases and challenges. He inherited the investigation of a fatal police-involved shooting, where the deputy has since been charged with murder. Then that same deputy shot and killed a neighbor and has been charged in that case as well. He has since been fired and is awaiting trial in both cases.."

BBM

It means Charlie was shoved into the job, probably because he was the most qualified person on the force, after the elected sheriff (Richard Henderson) was booted out.

Junk was hand in glove with some of those questionable cops, which in my opinion, is why he mostly sits there picking his nose and scratching his behind while AC does all the talking. In other words AC, Yost and DeWine don't trust him as far as they can throw him. If Junk was leading the prosecution, the W4 would already be sitting at home on a small bond,waiting on their fake trials in which they are found innocent.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

DBM

 

[Cool Cats]

BBM

It means Charlie was shoved into the job, probably because he was the most qualified person on the force, after the elected sheriff (Richard Henderson) was booted out.

Junk was hand in glove with some of those questionable cops, which in my opinion, is why he mostly sits there picking his nose and scratching his behind while AC does all the talking. In other words AC, Yost and DeWine don't trust him as far as they can throw him. If Junk was leading the prosecution, the W4 would already be sitting at home on a small bond,waiting on their fake trials in which they are found innocent.

JMO

You will be glad to know that Junk is not going to be doing...errr...sitting in on....more than one or 2 trials.

He said this in a MSM article I can try to find if you want.

 

[Cool Cats]

If I recall it correctly didn't Reader state the murders were like a "Hatfield and McCoy" situation?

Hatfield and McCoy feud MSM references:

• Globe
• 30 Nov 2018
• PressReader.com - Your favorite newspapers and magazines.

"IN A modern-day version of the bloody Hatfield vs. McCoy feud, an Ohio family of four has been charged with murdering eight members of another clan — in a bitter child custody fight!"

Was a Custody Battle the Reason Behind the Rhoden Family Murders?

"It’s not often that a killing in rural Appalachia can be mentioned in the same breath as a Shakespearean drama—or even the legendary feud of the Hatfields and McCoys.. "

The Pike County Massacre American Crime Journal Your True Crime Source

"..We would learn the conspirators and perpetrators behind the murder of an entire family was another family, in what one could only believe was as a modern retelling of the Hatfields and McCoys, but this wasn’t a story of provocation, escalation and revenge.."

 

[Loomis124]

BBM

How about a drug trafficking ring? Some of those (Horse Chronicles) experiences mentions hiding drugs inside horses that were being transported. The head of such a ring would wield enormous power in any given county. Under cover power driven by fear, whispered about behind closed doors, with a few dirty cops thrown in. Explains the wealth and how they kept it also. Keep in mind that Charlie was not an elected sheriff at the time of the murders so he called in BCI. He took over from a sheriff who was ousted along with some deputies for lets say "crooked" dealings. All I got to say is it is a great thing that AC is running the show and not Junk who was BFF's with more than a few of those questionable cops. JJ comes to mind.

JMO

In Pike County, appointed sheriff wins election

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Does anyone know what caused the wounded on Billy Wagners face, as you can see from the picture, this photograph was taken right after the Rhodens murders the two brothers hair is still dyed dark! JMO

 

[Puzzles8]

Just my 2 cent ramblings today.......

Before the arrests and what has become known about custody I was sure that Chris Senior was the main target of the murder plot.

Before the laser focus I thought the murders had to do with Chris Senior buying up land and buying the new home and jealousy and someone thinking he owed them money etc...

I now believe HR was the #1 main target and it was not about land or money or the new home, but what "keeps me up at night" is wondering why were all 8 killed?

People get killed in custody disputes but not 8 people living in 4 different locations.

2 ideas have come up.

At the press conference someone asked DeWine if the whole family was killed so that none of them could seek custody. DeWine's answer:

"Draw your own conclusions."

Also, it has been brought up that it was "hillbilly justice"
made to look like a cartel hit.

Added to this I wonder if the killers were afraid of the family and killed everyone that they thought would seek revenge against them - revenge because the killers knew the family would suspect them if anything bad happened to HR.

So maybe it is all 3 of these reasons as to why all 8 were killed.

One more possibility is that Gary and HG were only killed because they just happened to be there.

Well, I really really hope, by next fall, we can find out the real reason....Just waiting.....

One thing for sure, if the Wagners did it, they did not comprehend the ramifications of killing that many people plus the statute of limitations.

I think they thought it would be blamed on the marijuana grow operations with cartel involvement and they would give their lies and false cooperation to LE, then it would all blow over into a cold case, case closed.

They were shocked, very shocked when the intense (up close and personal) investigation refused to blow over. Jake said they were trying to get away from it but it followed them to AK.
4000 miles from Ohio

They felt angry that this wasn't going away and you see this reflected in their lawyer's statements to the press, and in the revenge conversations where it sounds like they wanted to kill DeWine, Reader and Special Agent S. and anyone who went against them.

Note the pattern....

The Wagners are used to having control and what happened with custody? They lost control. How did they then get control?

They committed murder.

What happened during the murder investigation?
They lost control. How did they then plan to get control?

They planned to murder all LE and others in their way.

BBM
I'm just going to respectfully disagree with you here.

I really don't think these eight brutal murders were solely about the parental rights concerning one minor child.

IMO custody of SW was only an added bonus to the W4 on top of these sick murders.

IMO there was something much bigger going on in Pike Co. JMO, MOO, etc.

Time will (hopefully) tell.

Stay safe and healthy!

 

[Cool Cats]

View attachment 245931Does anyone know what caused the wounded on Billy Wagners face, as you can see from the picture, this photograph was taken right after the Rhodens murders the two brothers hair is still dyed dark! JMO

These are their DL photos taken before June 2017. It could be possible Billy's DL photo was taken in 2016 after the murders.


You can see GW4's hair dyed black here, photo taken April 30th 2016:
Defiance Farm

Billy Wagner November 13, 2018 Mugshot:

 

[Loomis124]

BBM
I'm just going to respectfully disagree with you here.

I really don't think these eight brutal murders were solely about the parental rights concerning one minor child.

IMO custody of SW was only an added bonus to the W4 on top of these sick murders.

IMO there was something much bigger going on in Pike Co. JMO, MOO, etc.

Time will (hopefully) tell.

Stay safe and healthy!

I still believe CR SR was the main target of the murders. JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

These are their DL photos taken before June 2017. It could be possible Billy's DL photo was taken in 2016 after the murders.


You can see GW4's hair dyed black here, photo taken April 30th 2016:
Defiance Farm

Billy Wagner November 13, 2018 Mugshot:

Wow he looks mean in that photo, I wonder why he was on SSI ?

 

[Cool Cats]

Wow he looks mean in that photo, I wonder why he was on SSI ?

Or was it Angela?

 

[OhioBlues]

I still believe CR SR was the main target of the murders. JMO

One of the local Cincy reporters stated 'On Air' that Chris 'saw them coming'.

This was when the reporters were allowed in a room to look at the autopsies but couldn't take notes.

The reporter was talking about Chris seeing them from his front door (not the bedroom door).

It just makes me wonder if he was expecting someone or what exactly happened.

 

[Cool Cats]

BBM
I'm just going to respectfully disagree with you here.

I really don't think these eight brutal murders were solely about the parental rights concerning one minor child.

IMO custody of SW was only an added bonus to the W4 on top of these sick murders.

IMO there was something much bigger going on in Pike Co. JMO, MOO, etc.

Time will (hopefully) tell.

Stay safe and healthy!

Hi Puzz..
Well let's look closely at what DeWine said at the press conference:

Reporter:
Asks about the marijuana grow being a possible motive?

DeWine:
"You have part of the relationship that was going on with some of the individuals involved...yah...there was an undercurrent of drugs. There's no evidence of all the speculation that this was drug, necessarily drug related in the sense of the motive but there was, there's an undercurrent there."

Reporter:
Asks about evidence left at the scene?

DeWine:
" Well there was some forensic evidence at the scene."

Reporter:
Asks if custody was at the epicenter of the murders?

DeWine:
"There certainly was obsession with custody obsession with control of children.
I just might tell you this is just the most bizarre story I have ever seen in being involved in LE. I mean when - when the entire story as it will unfold at trial - it is just it's just un---it's just amazing."

Reporter:
Asks if this many people were targeted so there would be no one left to claim rights to that child?

DeWine:
" Well you can draw your own conclusions to that I don't want to speculate there.....There's a fixation of control. "

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Wel too bad the trials won't start any time soon, like 7am tomorrow. Just break out the whips and chairs and get cracka-lacking. Build fires inder the appropriate chairs and have at it.
Don't think I'll be seeing it. Whenever they pull it together.

Feels like the clock running out. Like the sun goi'n down on me.

I hope you're okay, @Col Mustard, and that you will get to see each and every trial. Sending love and prayers.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I don't think she was asleep. How could she be? I think most of us is of the opinion that Dana was killed first and probably was not in bed (per April's statement of what James told her). I think it is the general opinion she was found lying either in the living room or hallway. Chris JR heard and tried to hide so that lets us know the shots and noise (perhaps screaming ect) was loud enough for him to hear, otherwise why would he hide? So therefore the only conclusion we can draw is Hanna also heard and was awake. Jake may be a coward, but he is also a narcissistic psychopath who would take extreme pleasure in torturing and hurting the woman who hurt him by leaving. So you can bet the farm she died last after he told her how many of her family he had killed. It fits with what we know of him and how he acts in court.

JMO

I hadn't considered Chris Jr. hiding. I agree with you. At the least, he was awake. The poor child.

I keep coming back and trying to wrap my mind around how a husband, wife, and their two adult sons each got on board with this. Perhaps even more remarkable, is that they could live with themselves after the murders. They seemed unaffected. It's really unbelievable. They aren't a mafia or a cartel family. What in their past prepared them for such acts, and have they killed before the Rs and G? Just some of the questions that run through my mind about the case.