OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #55

[molly1255]

.......thankx! I do sometimes just have to get it off my chest! Then I can't stop..lol..!!

I think AC herself would be mighty impressed with your very succinct and accurate summary.

 

[Cool Cats]

I think AC herself would be mighty impressed with your very succinct and accurate summary.

......!!

I hope when the time comes we can see her opening statement live! Cross fingers cameras will be there. Then we will hear the entire motive and watch the 1000 piece puzzle come together....

 

[Antimony]

If the statements were to the cops, I suppose George IV's statements were covered by MIRANDA.
If the statements were gathered as evidence, like George IV admitting something to a third party, I think they would be treated as presentable evidence.

IMO
I am not a lawyer
Not even a one.

 

[Loomis124]

OH - 8 Family Members Murdered, Pike Co., Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*

Can someone please help me understand lines 5 and 6 of the Jan 21 2020 Supplemental Discovery? Who is the Defendant being referenced in those two lines? Thanks.

 

[Betty P]

OH - 8 Family Members Murdered, Pike Co., Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*

Can someone please help me understand lines 5 and 6 of the Jan 21 2020 Supplemental Discovery? Who is the Defendant being referenced in those two lines? Thanks.

Which defendant's discovery? There are 4 for that date.

 

[IType]

OH - 8 Family Members Murdered, Pike Co., Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*

Can someone please help me understand lines 5 and 6 of the Jan 21 2020 Supplemental Discovery? Who is the Defendant being referenced in those two lines? Thanks.

IMO:
Line 5 is referring to the written agreement that RN signed, agreeing to plead guilty and testify in the cases against the W4.

In, line 6 the "Defendant" referred to is RN and the document she signed is being placed under seal.

Just a formality to officially enter her testimony/plea agreement into the court docket for each individual W4. Again, IMO

 

[IType]

Which defendant's discovery? There are 4 for that date.

If you open each of the four individual links, it will show the exact same document being entered into the docket for each W4.

Line 5: "Defendant's agreement of Rita Jo Newcomb as filed with the court..."
Line 6: "Entry to Seal Defendant's Agreement"

I think there might have been confusion if the "defendant" mentioned on those two lines was one of the W4, but I'm pretty sure it is referring to the agreement RN signed agreeing to plead guilty and testify against her family. IMO

 

[Cool Cats]

If the statements were to the cops, I suppose George IV's statements were covered by MIRANDA.
If the statements were gathered as evidence, like George IV admitting something to a third party, I think they would be treated as presentable evidence.

IMO
I am not a lawyer
Not even a ******* one.

Any statements made after arrest can and will be used against you. All GW4 probably said is something to himself like "I hope mom or dad aren't being arrested so they can break me and Jake out of jail and go for that revenge we talked about at Granny Freds."

 

[Betty P]

Any statements made after arrest can and will be used against you. All GW4 probably said is something to himself like "I hope mom or dad aren't being arrested so they can break me and Jake out of jail and go for that revenge we talked about at Granny Freds."

Is that also when he mentioned killing several other people in revenge? DeWine, Reader, and Ryan the BCI agent?

 

[Cool Cats]

Is that also when he mentioned killing several other people in revenge? DeWine, Reader, and Ryan the BCI agent?

George Wagner IV's arraignment
November 28th, 2018

Canepa:

"Additionally your honor, previously indicated at Miss Fredericka Wagner's arraignment we did provide the court information that we have through confidential reliable source that there was discussions amongst these 4 co-defendants specifically Jacob, George, Billy and Angela that if one or more of them were arrested and one of them remained at large that person should take revenge on anybody who went against them and they specifically also named Special Agent Scheiderer, Sheriff Reader and Mike DeWine.

And or help the other individuals escape and I would note that is not the only conversation, I only brought up that conversation as it pertained to Miss Wagner. But there have been multiple conversations where those sorts of threats have been made and I would say that specifically George Wagner is probably the most vocal in making those threats."

 

[Betty P]

George Wagner IV's arraignment
November 28th, 2018

Canepa:

Additionally your honor, previously indicated at Miss Fredericka Wagner's arraignment we did provide the court information that we have through confidential reliable source that there was discussions amongst these 4 co-defendants specifically Jacob, George, Billy and Angela that if one or more of them were arrested and one of them remained at large that person should take revenge on anybody who went against them and they specifically also named Special Agent Scheiderer, Sheriff Reader and Mike DeWine.

And or help the other individuals escape and I would note that is not the only conversation, I only brought up that conversation as it pertained to Miss Wagner. But there have been multiple conversations where those sorts of threats have been made and I would say that specifically George Wagner is probably the most vocal in making those threats.

Yes, that was established early on. It would be a great idea to not allow the existence of that evidence against GW4 to be watered down or diminished. These were no idle threats and they were made by someone who is old enough to know better and to know right from wrong. It was no offhand remark, it was him discussing a plan, making a valid threat.

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, that was established early on. It would be a great idea to not allow the existence of that evidence against GW4 to be watered down or diminished. These were no idle threats and they were made by someone who is old enough to know better and to know right from wrong. It was no offhand remark, it was him discussing a plan, making a valid threat.

It's not usually mentioned that there are multiple conversations with other similar threats made, easy to think it's just one conversation. I take "multiple conversations" to mean that there were several as opposed to just 2 or 3.

All it takes is one incriminating statement to make you look bad before a jury. Better to have multiple conversations that don't incriminate you than to have just one that does.

Questions -
Who/what is the confidential reliable source?
(A witness? Wiretap? Witness wearing a wire?)
Will the Wagner threats be put before the jury?
Did they say anything to incriminate themselves about their crimes?
If put before the jury will Fred be quoted in some conversations?

 

[NotHammerToed]

Yes, that was established early on. It would be a great idea to not allow the existence of that evidence against GW4 to be watered down or diminished. These were no idle threats and they were made by someone who is old enough to know better and to know right from wrong. It was no offhand remark, it was him discussing a plan, making a valid threat.

Wasn’t he an avid video gamer? Was Jake? Of the two boys I’m curious to know who was more tech savvy. They would be responsible for the hacking into Facebook accounts. Planting spyware and creating tons of burner accounts to spread disgusting lies about the Rhodens. Trying to sway the investigation away from the family.

 

[Cool Cats]

Wasn’t he an avid video gamer? Was Jake? Of the two boys I’m curious to know who was more tech savvy. They would be responsible for the hacking into Facebook accounts. Planting spyware and creating tons of burner accounts to spread disgusting lies about the Rhodens. Trying to sway the investigation away from the family.

GW4 lists these 3 games on his SM:

Halo Corner
Call of Duty: MW2
Cabela's Big Game Hunter 2010

Angela printed out and forged documents so I think she was involved with hacking and like a lot of parents probably got help from her kids doing it. I am pretty sure she tried to spy on HR because she was keen on Jake landing full custody. The documents she forged don't lie..2 Cents...

 

[Betty P]

GW4 lists these 3 games on his SM:

Halo Corner
Call of Duty: MW2
Cabela's Big Game Hunter 2010

Angela printed out and forged documents so I think she was involved with hacking and like a lot of parents probably got help from her kids doing it.

I'm guessing the early hacking (back in 2014) was done by Jake, targeting Hanna. That early, the other family members may not have been as interested in spying on her. It sounds more like something a jealous boyfriend would do. Jake probably has good skills for hacking, spying, etc.

 

[Cool Cats]

I'm guessing the early hacking (back in 2014) was done by Jake, targeting Hanna. That early, the other family members may not have been as interested in spying on her. It sounds more like something a jealous boyfriend would do. Jake probably has good skills for hacking, spying, etc.

Why on earth would he start spying on her in 2014 I wonder? Humm...S was just 2 months old in January 2014 and they were planning to get married in August 2015. Matching ring tattoos and "marrying my best friend." I bet Jake and Angela were really pushing for that marriage because it would give Jake full parental rights and shield him from any charges ever being filed because HR was only 15. Cancelling that wedding was a big blow in my opinion. A big blow.

 

[Loomis124]

Which defendant's discovery? There are 4 for that date.

Discovery is the same for all 4.

 

[Loomis124]

If you open each of the four individual links, it will show the exact same document being entered into the docket for each W4.

Line 5: "Defendant's agreement of Rita Jo Newcomb as filed with the court..."
Line 6: "Entry to Seal Defendant's Agreement"

I think there might have been confusion if the "defendant" mentioned on those two lines was one of the W4, but I'm pretty sure it is referring to the agreement RN signed agreeing to plead guilty and testify against her family. IMO

It sounds very much to me like each of the 4 is agreeing with her testimony...very confusing.

 

[Loomis124]

Yes, that was established early on. It would be a great idea to not allow the existence of that evidence against GW4 to be watered down or diminished. These were no idle threats and they were made by someone who is old enough to know better and to know right from wrong. It was no offhand remark, it was him discussing a plan, making a valid threat.

All of them were old enough to know better but stupid enough to do it anyway. JMO. I think the really big thing here is that they totally overestimated their abilities to get away with this.

 

[molly1255]

Wasn’t he an avid video gamer? Was Jake? Of the two boys I’m curious to know who was more tech savvy. They would be responsible for the hacking into Facebook accounts. Planting spyware and creating tons of burner accounts to spread disgusting lies about the Rhodens. Trying to sway the investigation away from the family.

This might be a stupid question, but would hacking into a facebook account require guessing the password, or would there be more involved? Not that I have any intention of ever trying to do it, but I'm am curious with respect to this case if it is a function of guessing, or if more skill is involved.