OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #57

[Cool Cats]

AND many shells matching a not so common gun with an even more uncommon firing pin strike mark (called unique by RS and something BCI ballistic people hadn't seen before) according to testimony were found on property co-owned by GW4. Also found on GW4's property, a homemade suppressor used at least once (categorized by the ATF as illegal). Then add ALL GW4 said or texted while being recorded. I can't wait to hear it all and watch the prosecution build their case.

Yes! Recorded phone conversations, wiretapped conversations, female witness hearing conversations at Fred's house, text message conversations, Facebook message conversations, etc...

8,000 total recorded conversations. Not sure if this is including all of Hanna's
messages.

 

[Nanasteele]

Yes, they did. Their family is one of the most wealthy and powerful ones in a mostly low income area. They're accustomed to getting their way, bullying people with no repercussions. They're still "pulling strings" to influence the process.

They also thought they were brilliant masterminds but didn't count on technology tripping them up.

They almost got away with it. LE was told immediately of the threats Jake and his family made about custody of Hanna Mae Rhoden's daughter and attempts to make her sign custody documents. LE knew of the fights among family members in the weeks before the murders. Jake should have been their focus from day 1.

I so agree, I thought first thing about him and why he picked up the baby early. Just was not sounding good to me. He should've been first person of interest and listened to the Grandfather!

 

[Cool Cats]

I so agree, I thought first thing about him and why he picked up the baby early. Just was not sounding good to me. He should've been first person of interest and listened to the Grandfather!

Yes he should have been a suspect right away but they only did one formal
(video and audio) interview with Jake, one with Angie and one with Billy from April 2016 to May 2017. In May 2017 they started pushing more interviews with the Wagners interviewing GW4 in Montana where they were trying to buy property after their mortgage fraud fell through in Missouri.

All 4 Wagners were interviewed in May 2017 - at least once in Montana I think - so we know they were in Missouri and Montana in spring 2017 where we have seen a "gap" in their whereabouts.

They also pushed 3 lie detector tests on BJM and at least 2 on James. Then in May 2017 they made James look guilty of possible involvement.

They claimed he was texting with Jake at 2:00am the night of the murders and that his truck was used in an aggravated murder so it was being tracked. Then they arrested James for destroying the tracker but would not say what the aggravated murder involved. They dropped charges saying they didn't want to give out more information.

Point is, seems they spent a lot of time on the Manleys that first year and took a year to finally start all those formal interviews and searches of the Wagners. Only opinion.

 

[Myland]

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[Betty P]

BTW, I assume the photos on the Wags Facebook accounts that we couldn't post before may be ok now that they've been mentioned by Angela Canepa in court.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

On the former Mother in Law:
Patricia Sexton, the ex-mother-in-law of George Wagner Jr., worked for Fredericka Wagner for more than 10 years and called Fredericka “like a mother” to her.

“She’s been really, really supportive of anything I needed or went through,” Sexton told Oxygen.

Who Is Fredericka Wagner And Why Was Her Arrest Such A Shock To Piketon?

No mention on the type of mask - (reading the article again made me wonder if KR's gun was recovered.)

She is convinced damage done to her mailbox in early May is tied to the killings. Two weeks later, the family reported a masked man on the property who ran off, according to police reports.

Ohio family clings to hope 3 months after 8 killed

Those things to the side, I was questioning my view on George's role based solely on the hearing the other day until I spent time thinking about the fact that George colored his hair just as Jake did.

The possibility on trusts and inheritance is an interesting one. Whether business deal or greedy financial means in the end, something was a driver beyond having custody because of love for the child. Love for the child wouldn't lead to murdering her family. There had to be something in it for all 4 Wagners in my opinion.

Yes, FW was a good person as long as she was handing out money, food, etc. to those less fortunate. Then BAM she was the wicked to some, including PS and her kids.

I agree that there was more to these murders than custody of SW. MOO

 

[Betty P]

On the former Mother in Law:
Patricia Sexton, the ex-mother-in-law of George Wagner Jr., worked for Fredericka Wagner for more than 10 years and called Fredericka “like a mother” to her.

“She’s been really, really supportive of anything I needed or went through,” Sexton told Oxygen.

Who Is Fredericka Wagner And Why Was Her Arrest Such A Shock To Piketon?

No mention on the type of mask - (reading the article again made me wonder if KR's gun was recovered.)

She is convinced damage done to her mailbox in early May is tied to the killings. Two weeks later, the family reported a masked man on the property who ran off, according to police reports.

Ohio family clings to hope 3 months after 8 killed

Those things to the side, I was questioning my view on George's role based solely on the hearing the other day until I spent time thinking about the fact that George colored his hair just as Jake did.

The possibility on trusts and inheritance is an interesting one. Whether business deal or greedy financial means in the end, something was a driver beyond having custody because of love for the child. Love for the child wouldn't lead to murdering her family. There had to be something in it for all 4 Wagners in my opinion.

Keep in mind, in the hearing yesterday, AC said Jake tried to get Hanna Mae to come back to live with him, even after she was pregnant with someone else's child. He wanted her to move with the family to AK. JMO, it was also motivated by "if I can't have you, no one can" feelings of a rejected partner who can't move on.

 

[Antimony]

When did PS work for FW?

 

[Myland]

Yes, FW was a good person as long as she was handing out money, food, etc. to those less fortunate. Then BAM she was the wicked *** to some, including PS and her kids.

I agree that there was more to these murders than custody of SW. MOO

Jmo I absolutely agree!! And the prosecution needs to tell it, I believe they know some of it but don’t want to talk about it for one reason or another. Maybe they will bring it up at trial jmo

 

[Betty P]

Kind of interesting though? All other homes were mentioned except Kenny's. So maybe George wasn't at that home?

It's possible there's no evidence of him being at Kenny's. Not to say he wasn't, but AC probably isn't going to bring it up yet if there's no shoe prints or other evidence.

AC only showed some of her cards yesterday. There's still a LOT of evidence and witness statements hinted at in discovery docs that she didn't mention.

She may have more evidence against GW4, but chose not to reveal it yet. Just a guess.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

After hearing what we have heard yesterday, does anyone on Websleuth have a ideal why Jake Wagner Smiles So Much At The Judge Like He Thinks Their Best Friends, Jake is truly evil, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

It's possible there's no evidence of him being at Kenny's. Not to say he wasn't, but AC probably isn't going to bring it up yet if there's no shoe prints or other evidence.

AC only showed some of her cards yesterday. There's still a LOT of evidence and witness statements hinted at in discovery docs that she didn't mention.

She may have more evidence against GW4, but chose not to reveal it yet. Just a guess.

Yes, she said she has more evidence.

Canepa:

"We haven't even touched on many other pieces of evidence such as tattoos or videos they watched that night before they went and committed these homicides regarding brothers that commit crimes together with guns with silencers."

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Yes, she said she has more evidence.

Canepa:

"We haven't even touched on many other pieces of evidence such as tattoos or videos they watched that night before they went and committed these homicides regarding brothers that commit crimes together with guns with silencers."

CC
We talked before about (Rumors) of George4 had a tattoo, it 50/50 chance now, JMO

 

[Betty P]

Yes, she said she has more evidence.

Canepa:

"We haven't even touched on many other pieces of evidence such as tattoos or videos they watched that night before they went and committed these homicides regarding brothers that commit crimes together with guns with silencers."

I have a feeling it was Billy Wagner who was the biggest fan of that movie. That probably motivated him to be the ringleader, as AC said. And the stupid tattoos, including the scorpion on his trigger finger.

We all hit the roof when we saw those in the video of his hearing in KY after he was arrested there.

 

[Skibunny]

After hearing what we have heard yesterday, does anyone on Websleuth have a ideal why Jake Wagner Smiles So Much At The Judge Like He Thinks Their Best Friends, Jake is truly evil, JMO

I suspect he loves the attention, all eyes are on him. Camera is rolling and he thinks he looks soooooo good. (Barf) Seems like he could not stop smiling even if he wanted to. JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

I have a feeling it was Billy Wagner who was the biggest fan of that movie. That probably motivated him to be the ringleader, as AC said. And the stupid tattoos, including the scorpion on his trigger finger.

We all hit the roof when we saw those in the video of his hearing in KY after he was arrested there.

What is interesting is how would Canepa know they watched the Boon Dock Saints
movie the night of the murders before committing the murders? Probably all 4 sat around watching it.

They were not wire tapped at that time....Hmmmm....?

 

[Myland]

What is interesting is how would Canepa know they watched the Boon Dock Saints
movie the night of the murders before committing the murders? Probably all 4 sat around watching it.

They were not wire tapped at that time....Hmmmm....?

And I don’t know about you guys but I remember where the tattoo got the prosecution in Casey Anthony trial no where. And just as in her case I believe she was responsible somehow of the little girls death but it wasn’t proven in court beyond a reasonable doubt. I believe you need hard facts not just a likelihood George was involved. Jmo the prosecution can’t be reaching for evidence they will need to stick to evidence.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Jmo I absolutely agree!! And the prosecution needs to tell it, I believe they know some of it but don’t want to talk about it for one reason or another. Maybe they will bring it up at trial jmo

I really doubt that anyone is going to say anything good about any of the Wagner's, it's amazing how people that have never stepped foot in Pike County can be so judgemental of those that live there, grew up there, and of people they have never met.

I know this is a victim friendly forum and even though I (and I know there are others) could spew some negative vomit on the flip side, I am a caring and compassionate female. There is good in families, and then there is bad so with that being said.. I'll keep my knowledge to myself.

Have a good one Myland. I pray that the ones responsible for these murders (and anyone who knew prior to that night) pay the ultimate price

 

[Tiff23fr]

Yes, FW was a good person as long as she was handing out money, food, etc. to those less fortunate. Then BAM she was the wicked *** to some, including PS and her kids.

I agree that there was more to these murders than custody of SW. MOO

I get the impression there is a pre 2014 ish Wagner Family and a post Early/mid 2014 family. The statement below seems the strings were looser at one time for a family that did everything together.

“Jake, really, he was a part of the family,” Fulton said. “Hanna would go stay with his family and then he would come out and stay with their family. So, they were really, really close.”

The Piketon Family Murders Bonus: Piketon Murders Were A Conversation Starter

 

[Myland]

I really doubt that anyone is going to say anything good about any of the Wagner's, it's amazing how people that have never stepped foot in Pike County can be so judgemental of those that live there, grew up there, and of people they have never met.

I know this is a victim friendly forum and even though I (and I know there are others) could spew some negative vomit on the flip side, I am a caring and compassionate female. There is good in families, and then there is bad so with that being said.. I'll keep my knowledge to myself.

Have a good one Myland. I pray that the ones responsible for these murders (and anyone who knew prior to that night) pay the ultimate price

Jmo that is my prayer too, whoever did the murders and whoever had any involvement at all pays. If it is the Wagner’s then they need to pay dearly. but I want to make sure the right people are convicted.