OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #57

[ColMustard]

Trailer windows are made of regular single pane glass. It would shatter upon impact unlike auto (safety plate) or an acrylic substitute. Big Chris was shot thru a door according to autopsy. That is where the rifle was used in my opinion. Using a rifle in a house trailer would be problematic as to maneuvering it. Big Chris was killed first, with a noticeable time lapse before the others. However, A rifle would have alerted Frankie something was up. I wonder how they would have accomplished that?

And there's a sort of plexiglass that is often used in office trailers of the type CR was using. Maybe FR wasn't home when CR was hit?

Here's a page from May 2016, easy to see the high-res, ground level pics we discussed have been unplugged, not to be accessed again.

This pic does work, but is aerial and the holes are obscured by the circles, from the same page linked above: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/cr1bulletholes-jpg.94569/

Easy to see the mini blind that's possibly woodgrain, and raised halfway.

 

[dgfred]

Can't see too good but they look like exits to me... instead of entries. In the window that is.

 

[ColMustard]

Can't see too good but they look like exits to me... instead of entries. In the window that is.

I don't know how you could tell from that pic, even the ground level pics didn't show that. Need the pics from LE to see where any window fragments were found.

Those guys in the video sure looked like they had some accuracy with the slingshot. At least somebody was able to hit targets.

 

[dgfred]

I did say 'can't see too good'
But:
Entry would be small IMO... those look more rounded out = exit.

Just guessing anyway (IMO) and discussing things.

Don't be so hard on me. Haha

 

[ColMustard]

I did say 'can't see too good'
But:
Entry would be small IMO... those look more rounded out = exit.

Just guessing anyway (IMO) and discussing things.

Don't be so hard on me. Haha

I wasn't trying to be hard on you, just discussing.

But on a single window pane, entry or exit, the hole, if it doesn't take out the whole window, is going to be the same, there's nothing there to change the forces of the impact. Unlike a human body where the bullet may hit bone then change shape and become a larger diameter.

 

[dgfred]

I don't agree... you can easily tell which side of the window the shot came through as long as the window is intact.

 

[Antimony]

daisy air rifle makes a sound when fired.

As much as an SKS or Glock .40 or a .22 pistol? Not Hardly.

 

[Antimony]

I wasn't trying to be hard on you, just discussing.

But on a single window pane, entry or exit, the hole, if it doesn't take out the whole window, is going to be the same, there's nothing there to change the forces of the impact. Unlike a human body where the bullet may hit bone then change shape and become a larger diameter.

You must have never broken a window as a kid, say, with a wrist rocket. It is the nature of single pane glass to crack and fall apart when impacted. That is why they use laminated plate glass in autos. The glass is brittle and a matrix of molecules, unlike the human body.

 

[chigger]

Seems to me he was shot while moving towards the door... to see who was there or what he heard outside.
Maybe a busted light or camera? Goes to see what is up and is shot while near the door. Trailer doors are not thick/well made at all. A couple of shots and he is down or incapacitated. Then killed. My thoughts only.

Maybe when Chris was shot, it was through the open doorway? Shooting at a closed door would give him time to grab his own weapon. He hears glass break outside, opens front door and is shot the first time, JMO.

 

[dgfred]

@ ac - just google bullet through glass

easy to identify which side the shot came through first.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Maybe when Chris was shot, it was through the open doorway? Shooting at a closed door would give him time to grab his own weapon. He hears glass break outside, opens front door and is shot the first time, JMO.

JMO Big Chris saw the killers coming, I really think Big Chris was trying to hold the door shut While the killers were trying to push the door open and one of the Killers shot thru the door and hit Big Chris in the cheek, JMO

 

[ColMustard]

I don't agree... you can easily tell which side of the window the shot came through as long as the window is intact.

Right, if you're standing there looking at it. That's different from a pic taken from 800ft in the sky. Unfortunately, the ground level pics are no longer available to us. Maybe they're going to to be used in the trials.

 

[ColMustard]

You must have never broken a window as a kid, say, with a wrist rocket. It is the nature of single pane glass to crack and fall apart when impacted. That is why they use laminated plate glass in autos. The glass is brittle and a matrix of molecules, unlike the human body.

Yes, I've seen broken windows.

I also saw the pics from ground level and two round holes in the (apparently) plastic window panes.

 

[ColMustard]

JMO Big Chris saw the killers coming, I really think Big Chris was trying to hold the door shut While the killers were trying to push the door open and one of the Killers shot thru the door and hit Big Chris in the cheek, JMO

In the news article that got edited, didn't they mention wood fragments in the wound(s) on CR's arm? Same article that said he was shot through a door.

Once again, more info we cannot access now.

 

[Berrybell]

There is a ton of information out on Jake right now that could put him away right now in my opinion only. For some reason unknown, Jake was in a hurry to commit these murders and in such a hurry he made too many mistakes.

Schneider said the planning and buying for the murders shows up as having started only 2 months before, from February to April.

Yes they spent alot of time planning premeditated murder but still it was too rushed and caused all kinds of screw ups before and after. Why was Jake so anxious to do it in April 2016? There must be a specific reason.

So because of all of Jake's screw ups, evidence came up to implicate the others as his co-conspirators. The evidence presented so far shows most of the "murder kit" purchases being done with Jake's rewards card from multiple stores for items to fit the 1911.22 gun they have a photo of him holding, complete with his palm print. Amongst other things... 2 cents...

CC, I agree there had to be a reason the murders occurred when they did. IMO I think there was something behind the scene we are not aware of yet, such as maybe HR had told him or JW overheard during his spying that she was going to see an attorney for full custody, or that she planned to file charges for statutory rape. For some reason he felt he was out-of-time. MOO

 

[Loomis124]

Slingshot PayPal Receipt in Evidence - Exhibit #4

Click on 'Pages' in upper left hand corner then click on page 41 or scroll down.



Motion to Dismiss Fredericka Wagner Charges

Product Description -

Pocket Shot Stealth, Catapult, Slingshot, Bush Craft, Survival, Prepardness

DBM

 

[Loomis124]

Slingshot PayPal Receipt in Evidence - Exhibit #4

Click on 'Pages' in upper left hand corner then click on page 41 or scroll down.

Motion to Dismiss Fredericka Wagner Charges

Product Description -

Pocket Shot Stealth, Catapult, Slingshot, Bush Craft, Survival, Prepardness

Did anyone notice she bought the Slingshot from MARK HILL? Top of page 41.

 

[dgfred]

Perfect for knocking out small lights IMO... not so sure about camera lenses tho.

Might have to test out how loud hitting a light bulb would be with a slingshot. Look out neighbors.

 

[Puzzles8]

Did anyone notice she bought the Slingshot from MARK HILL? Top of page 41.

Who is Mark Hill? I don't recall ever seeing that name in connection with this case before.

 

[Cool Cats]

CC, I agree there had to be a reason the murders occurred when they did. IMO I think there was something behind the scene we are not aware of yet, such as maybe HR had told him or JW overheard during his spying that she was going to see an attorney for full custody, or that she planned to file charges for statutory rape. For some reason he felt he was out-of-time. MOO

Yes Berrybell, it seems that we have an unknown "time reason" going on here.

I hope, well I believe, when we have a trial we will find this out. Why Jake, and Angela too, wanted to commit the murders so soon, just 4 days after Hanna gets home. There is more to this that we will hopefully find out at the first trial in 2021.

First Trial will be 2021 I believe...... Finally. Wagner's not in any hurry and I can see why..... Yes! I can see why. Who wants to sit on Ohio's death row?

Opinion only ....