OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #57

[sunshineray]

In the IHart radio podcast there was a relative of Jakes that said Jake talked about he was going to kill Hannah May???? JMO

It was mentioned by his ex sister-in-law on the Oxygen Network show "The Piketon Family Murders". It aired, at least in my area, March 31, 2019 and I taped it.

I don't know if this link works anymore. If not maybe it's available to watch on YouTube?

Watch The Piketon Family Murders Videos | Oxygen Official Site

 

[sunshineray]

But that doesn’t prove murder... there’s a bunch of people in controlling relationship doesn’t mean they murder them just they’re controlling
probably laying on the couch yes. After talk of GW4 and JW being a team I say they went to Frankie and hazel trailer while Billy alone shot Gary then Chris sr. Or maybe all 3 JW GW3 GW4 hit all places up together with AW as the getaway driver.

I think you're thinking they need much more than what the actual language of the Ohio statute for Aggravated Murder says they need to prove offense.

Aggravated Murder charges includes anyone who "calculates" or "designs" to kill another. You don't have to have physically pulled the trigger.

So one W could have been the shooter of all 8 but if the other 3 are proven to have helped "calculate" or "design" those murders they are guilty also.

And there are more ways in which life in prison murder charges can be attached to other actions by an offender.

Lawriter - ORC - 2903.01 Aggravated murder.

 

[Loomis124]

IMO, the Prosecution was only trying to establish one truth at GW4's last hearing: That the 4 Wagners acted as only one, when it came to every part of their lives. They ate, slept, lived, acted, voted, praised, punished, fought, ridiculed, spied on, hacked, planned and carried out the victims' deaths, obstructed justice and lied for each other, including the two grandmothers, for as long as they possibly could, and STILL ARE.

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[GoBuckeyes]

Also interesting that he said the recovered a casing from CRSR porch. I remember a news article from 2016 that was edited like an hour after it was published saying CRSR was shot through a door. BJM said she didnt notice anything strange on the porch/door in that article where she talked about finding the bodies. IMO,MMO,LMAO, etc

I'm not sure in her state, of what I can only imagine was shock, that she would have noticed a casing on the porch or a hole on the outside of the dwelling. She was caring for blood covered babies, calling family, and dealing with police.

I've heard the story about the newspaper article running and quickly being redacted. I'm hopeful most of our questions will be answered at trial.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

But they did include GW4's fingerprint standards in discovery. That would seem to mean they have something from somewhere to compare it to, wouldn't it?

They may have fingerprints. Interesting, bc that doesn't fall under DNA. It does fall under forensics, but not DNA. GW4 may have thought he was in the clear, only to be undone by a fingerprint...and all of the wiretaps.

 

[Loomis124]

They may have fingerprints. Interesting, bc that doesn't fall under DNA. It does fall under forensics, but not DNA. GW4 may have thought he was in the clear, only to be undone by a fingerprint...and all of the wiretaps.

I have no doubt the W's will be found guilty. There is just too much evidence against them for them to get by with 8 cold-blooded murders. And we know so very little of the evidence presented in Discovery. JMO

 

[Loomis124]

I think the four Wagners purposely mixed up the shell casings, bullets, guns (ballistic evidence) so that one alone couldn't be convicted at certain scenes. Fine with me...fry them all for Aggravated Murder and all of the other counts! JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I think the four Wagners purposely mixed up the shell casings, bullets, guns (ballistic evidence) so that one alone couldn't be convicted at certain scenes. Fine with me...fry them all for Aggravated Murder and all of the other counts! JMO

Did the LE find any guns the Wagners owned????

 

[Niner]

Not too sure if this happening today....

Tuesday, September 8th:
*Evidentiary Hearing (@ 1:30pm ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) and a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) - for *George Washington "Billy" Wagner III (47/now 49), (Jakes’ father) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (12/4/18) with 8 counts of aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 4th degree obstructing justice, 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP.
Number of shots fired at each victim & court hearings from 12/4/18 thru 7/29/20 reference post #580 here:
OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #56
8/3/20 Update: Entry granting defendant's motion to continue bond motion hearing & status conference such hearing be rescheduled on a date to be determined upon the completion of discovery. NO DATE YET for status hearing continuance as of 8/6. Evidentiary hearing on 9/8/20.
8/19/20: The Court further finds that defense counsel filed a "Bond Motion" on June 17, 2020, requesting that a reasonable bond be set, with appropriate restrictions in place. The Court further finds that on the 22nd day of June, 2020, the State of Ohio filed a "Motion Of The State of Ohio In A Capital Case & Pursuant To Statute To Hold The Defendant Without Bail," requesting that the Defendant remain in jail without bail, which was previously ordered on December 4, 2018. Upon agreement of the parties, hearing upon the Defendant's "Bond Motion" and upon the State of Ohio's motion to hold the defendant without bail, together with a status conference, were scheduled for Thursday, August 6, 2020, at 1:30 p.m.; however, prior to the journalization of this Entry, the motion hearing & the status conference were continued upon motion of the defendant.
*Angela Jo Wagner (48/now 49) – Pretrial hearing on 6/24/20. No update as of 9/7/20.
*Edward Jake Wagner (26/now 27) – Pretrial hearing on 9/21/20 & 9/22/20.
*George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 28) – Bond hearing on 8/31/20. No update as of 9/7/20.
*Rita Jo Newcomb (65/now 66) – Motion hearing on 12/2/19 entered a plea of guilty. Will testify at the trials. No update as of 9/7/20.
*Fredericka Carol Wagner (76) – 6/26/19: Charges were dismissed without prejudice.

 

[Tiff23fr]

But they did include GW4's fingerprint standards in discovery. That would seem to mean they have something from somewhere to compare it to, wouldn't it?

They could have fingerprints on something purchased or used, will have to wait and see as more testimony comes out. I took the statement below to imply the crime scenes as it preceded comments on the level of preparation that went into the crimes. JMO

AC: Um and you were also asked if there were fingerprints that matched George Wagner correct? Where there any fingerprints that were recovered that match anyone other than the victims in this case?

RS: No

 

[sunshineray]

They could have fingerprints on something purchased or used, will have to wait and see as more testimony comes out. I took the statement below to imply the crime scenes as it preceded comments on the level of preparation that went into the crimes. JMO

AC: Um and you were also asked if there were fingerprints that matched George Wagner correct? Where there any fingerprints that were recovered that match anyone other than the victims in this case?

RS: No

Wasn't there a vehicle investigated outside of Ohio? Fingerprints could have importance there? Especially if any victims blood was also found. Just wondering why fingerprint standards, for the 3 W males, are listed in discovery if they aren't being considered as evidence in some way.

 

[OhioBlues]

Wasn't there a vehicle investigated outside of Ohio? Fingerprints could have importance there? Especially if any victims blood was also found. Just wondering why fingerprint standards, for the 3 W males, are listed in discovery if they aren't being considered as evidence in some way.

I believe that Ohio has to give the defense their entire file as part of the open records law but IANAL. jmo

 

[sunshineray]

I believe that Ohio has to give the defense their entire file as part of the open records law but IANAL. jmo

Ok even if it's just full disclosure to the defense lawyers, then why no AW fingerprints standard mentioned? If there was no importance with W male's prints chances are her fingerprints would be mentioned also in discovery. It makes me wonder if AW did stay home with the kids and just the males (sorry, feels wrong even calling them men) went to kill?

 

[OhioBlues]

Ok even if it's just full disclosure to the defense lawyers, then why no AW fingerprints standard mentioned? If there was no importance with W male's prints chances are her fingerprints would be mentioned also in discovery. It makes me wonder if AW did stay home with the kids and just the males (sorry, feels wrong even calling them men) went to kill?

Good question. I wish that I knew the answer.

 

[Penelope Pitstop]

Is the Evidentiary hearing being shown on TV today?

 

[Myland]

They could have fingerprints on something purchased or used, will have to wait and see as more testimony comes out. I took the statement below to imply the crime scenes as it preceded comments on the level of preparation that went into the crimes. JMO

AC: Um and you were also asked if there were fingerprints that matched George Wagner correct? Where there any fingerprints that were recovered that match anyone other than the victims in this case?

RS: No

Jmo someone must have done some cleaning to have no prints other than victims jmo

 

[Johnny B Bad]

The 1911 Walter Colt is somewhere on the property that Jake Wagner has access to, Jake didn’t want to get rid of that gun, JMO

 

[Loomis124]

Did the LE find any guns the Wagners owned????

Don't know, JBB.

 

[Cool Cats]

The 1911 Walter Colt is somewhere on the property that Jake Wagner has access to, Jake didn’t want to get rid of that gun, JMO

You could be right in the sense that why did GW4 say "if they have the gun they have the silencer" ..?

This is what he said when Scheiderer sent him a photo of a gun with a silencer attached.

Point is, that means a gun was hidden where LE could find it, rather than the gun being destroyed or dumped 10 miles away....Seems to me anyway.

 

[Myland]

We can’t post anything from the scioto guardian here can we? There is an interesting article about a pike co deputy would ran drugs from Florida to here.