OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #58

[Cool Cats]

I recognize all 4 went to Alaska when they finally went.
I was curious back before the murders what the initial plan was. It has been stated by the Wagners, the Pastor in Alaska, and now on record via Jake asking Hanna that they had planned to move for some time.

If all was great with Angela and Billy why were they not living together in OH? Why was this only an option in Alaska? It would be easier to take care of his dad and work for his mom in Ohio.

Even when they came back it seems her and Billy went separate ways again as far as living arrangements.

I don't disagree with what you are saying just not sure I'm clearly stating the curiosity in my mind. Long day..

I agree that I'm curious about why Angie and Billy did not live together yet went to AK and lived together? Was this sopose to be a reconciliation? If Billy did not live with her after AK then obviously that reconciliation didn't work.

I am seeing alot of motives for the move to AK but Angie and Billy's marriage is a complete mystery.

 

[LeftEyed]

I think Kenny took Gary to Chris's place that night and saw the Wagner's vehicle parked near his brothers house. Whoever was in that vehicle (Angie or George) recognized Kenny and knew that Kenny would know their vehicle or at least be able to describe it and may have even noted the tag number ergo Kenny had to be killed. This is based on the fact of lack of hatred and hostility with Kenny being killed with only one shot. I think it is going to come out in the trial.

JMO

Personally, I'm not convinced the killers used their own automobile. Or even an automobile.

 

[LeftEyed]

@LeftEyed

I think you are pretty spot-on about the guns they each used.

Here is what we know about Jake and George's guns according to BCI Lead Investigator Special Agent Scheiderer:

GW4:

1.) Is a Glock man.
2.) His uncle (CN) helped him buy a Glock off Facebook by meeting the seller on the side of a Hwy.
3.) BCI has recordings of GW4 saying that he bought a night scope for his SKS 762.
4.) Records indicate a night scope was purchased from Bass Pro Shop using Jake's rewards card.
5.) On Jake's phone there is a gun list stating that GW4 owns a SKS 762.

Jake:

1.) On Jake's phone there is a gun list stating that Jake owns a Colt 1911.22.
2.) BCI did a forensic audit on Jake's phone and they discovered a hand holding a Colt Walker 1911.22 pistol which is likely the 1911.22 photo in the Discovery Evidence.
3.) BCI got a palm print from the photo and compared it to Jake's palm print they took when Jake was arrested and they matched so they know Jake was actually holding the 1911.22 pistol.

To profile it simply, the baby gets the .22, the older brother gets the .30 and big papa carries the hand cannon.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Personally, I'm not convinced the killers used their own automobile. Or even an automobile.

So what is your theory on how they got to UHR from Peterson Rd which is around 14 miles away, and then another maybe 13 miles over to Left Fork Rd.?

 

[LeftEyed]

So what is your theory on how they got to UHR from Peterson Rd which is around 14 miles away, and then another maybe 13 miles over to Left Fork Rd.?

I'm just not convinced they used their own vehicle.
If only these trials could get underway.

 

[rsd1200]

I agree that I'm curious about why Angie and Billy did not live together yet went to AK and lived together? Was this sopose to be a reconciliation? If Billy did not live with her after AK then obviously that reconciliation didn't work.

I am seeing alot of motives for the move to AK but Angie and Billy's marriage is a complete mystery.

To keep sight and sound of one another. They had to look like a happy family on vacation. Their trailers got searched by LE while the Ws were on "vacation", after which they decided to live there in AK permanently. Once they did that and the laser focus was on them, they had to be as normal acting as they could be, to try and appear innocent.

 

[Betty P]

I agree that I'm curious about why Angie and Billy did not live together yet went to AK and lived together? Was this sopose to be a reconciliation? If Billy did not live with her after AK then obviously that reconciliation didn't work.

I am seeing alot of motives for the move to AK but Angie and Billy's marriage is a complete mystery.

Yes, that was a surprise to me, wasn't expecting to hear that info when it came out.
JMO, it also indicates to me that Fredericka had more control and influence over Billy than I realized.

 

[LeftEyed]

To keep sight and sound of one another. They had to look like a happy family on vacation. Their trailers got searched by LE while the Ws were on "vacation", after which they decided to live there in AK permanently. Once they did that and the laser focus was on them, they had to be as normal acting as they could be, to try and appear innocent.

That W family photo taken in Alaska feels like a twisted victory portrait.

 

[Betty P]

Slightly O/T, but if it's too much I'm sure it will go POOF It concerns DeWine.

Ohio lawmaker files complaint, wants DeWine charged with terrorism over pandemic orders | 10tv.com

Saw that this morning. Too funny. Don't they have more important things to do in Columbus?

 

[Niner]

Thanks a bunch @Cool Cats - made some notes!

And your avatar is definitely a "cool" cat!

 

[Ann99]

I think Kenny took Gary to Chris's place that night and saw the Wagner's vehicle parked near his brothers house. Whoever was in that vehicle (Angie or George) recognized Kenny and knew that Kenny would know their vehicle or at least be able to describe it and may have even noted the tag number ergo Kenny had to be killed. This is based on the fact of lack of hatred and hostility with Kenny being killed with only one shot. I think it is going to come out in the trial.

JMO

I never thought of this possibility.
I think you may be on to a good theory.
Gary did not have a vehicle, from what I recall.
I believe Kenny knew the Wagners well, and vice versa.
Wagners knew Kenny would be the first to realize that Wagners had done the deed and would seek swift revenge.

Regarding Kenny's gun.
I assume LE did eventually locate it.
I believe Wagners looked for it, looked through K's pockets and bed area, but why? What were they looking for?

Or was the scenario different? Did W's kill Kenny to get keys?
At K's trailer, did Wagners look for CRsr keys, house keys (all trailer keys) or other keys.

The safe in CRsr trailer is still a mystery, was it a combo lock or key lock.
Remember the invoice that showed the $$$ for securing and moving the safe. It must have been huge and heavy. What was in there.

I wonder about all scenarios. Let the trials begin.

 

[Nanasteele]

After that I really want to go to his next hearing and glare at him from the gallery. If the woman who stared at him the other day is who she is rumored to be, it makes you wonder why he didn't recognize her.

A women staring at him bothered him?? He's a head case! Dude, you have more things to worry about than a women staring at you! JMO

 

[Mind your biscuits]

A women staring at him bothered him?? He's a head case! Dude, you have more things to worry about than a women staring at you! JMO

Exactly, wait till the trial starts and he has twelve jurors staring at him every day!

 

[LeftEyed]

I never thought of this possibility.
I think you may be on to a good theory.
Gary did not have a vehicle, from what I recall.
I believe Kenny knew the Wagners well, and vice versa.
Wagners knew Kenny would be the first to realize that Wagners had done the deed and would seek swift revenge.

Regarding Kenny's gun.
I assume LE did eventually locate it.
I believe Wagners looked for it, looked through K's pockets and bed area, but why? What were they looking for?

Or was the scenario different? Did W's kill Kenny to get keys?
At K's trailer, did Wagners look for CRsr keys, house keys (all trailer keys) or other keys.

The safe in CRsr trailer is still a mystery, was it a combo lock or key lock.
Remember the invoice that showed the $$$ for securing and moving the safe. It must have been huge and heavy. What was in there.

I wonder about all scenarios. Let the trials begin.

Remember in the beginning when several people, via news stories, claimed they were initially set to spend the night at three of the locations? That early information caused me pause to think the doors at all locations were unlocked. Aside from that, and the rural location of the scenes, I personally don't believe the Rs were door lockers, and I don't think keys were needed. BJ knew it was odd for CR's door to be locked. Maybe the killers knew this, as well. And if the killers believed they may need keys, I think they would have found them all at CR's. We know he was killed earlier than the others.

 

[Betty P]

Remember in the beginning when several people, via news stories, claimed they were initially set to spend the night at three of the locations? That early information caused me pause to think the doors at all locations were unlocked. Aside from that, and the rural location of the scenes, I personally don't believe the Rs were door lockers, and I don't think keys were needed. BJ knew it was odd for CR's door to be locked. Maybe the killers knew this, as well. And if the killers believed they may need keys, I think they would have found them all at CR's. We know he was killed earlier than the others.

Good point about BJM's comment about Chris Sr's door not usually locked. OTOH, we've had discussions in the past about Frankie & Hannah keeping their door locked in order to keep B from wandering outside. He was still a toddler. Not sure if Dana had the same habit when S was at home, though she presumably wasn't there that night.

 

[LeftEyed]

Good point about BJM's comment about Chris Sr's door not usually locked. OTOH, we've had discussions in the past about Frankie & Hannah keeping their door locked in order to keep B from wandering outside. He was still a toddler. Not sure if Dana had the same habit when S was at home, though she presumably wasn't there that night.

JW's comment about picking up S a few hours before the killings makes me think he would use that visit as an opportunity for a final intel run. Eyes on scenes, possible small talk/info gathering, etc.

 

[Puzzles8]

I never thought of this possibility.
I think you may be on to a good theory.
Gary did not have a vehicle, from what I recall.
I believe Kenny knew the Wagners well, and vice versa.
Wagners knew Kenny would be the first to realize that Wagners had done the deed and would seek swift revenge.

Regarding Kenny's gun.
I assume LE did eventually locate it.
I believe Wagners looked for it, looked through K's pockets and bed area, but why? What were they looking for?

Or was the scenario different? Did W's kill Kenny to get keys?
At K's trailer, did Wagners look for CRsr keys, house keys (all trailer keys) or other keys.

The safe in CRsr trailer is still a mystery, was it a combo lock or key lock.
Remember the invoice that showed the $$$ for securing and moving the safe. It must have been huge and heavy. What was in there.

I wonder about all scenarios. Let the trials begin.

I'll guess the official purpose of the safe was to secure car titles and temporary license plates. Don't know what else it may have held.

 

[Ann99]

Remember in the beginning when several people, via news stories, claimed they were initially set to spend the night at three of the locations? That early information caused me pause to think the doors at all locations were unlocked. Aside from that, and the rural location of the scenes, I personally don't believe the Rs were door lockers, and I don't think keys were needed. BJ knew it was odd for CR's door to be locked. Maybe the killers knew this, as well. And if the killers believed they may need keys, I think they would have found them all at CR's. We know he was killed earlier than the others.

Yes, now I do remember those conversations about guests
spending the night, so maybe no locked doors.
But would the Wagners have known that? IDK.
Wagners didn't seem to know about guests that night.

Didn't BJ say something more about ... 'she knew where to find the key'...?
That's how she got into the trailer. So there was a hidden key somewhere.
The dogs, the open window, the keys, the safe... so much that we don't know.
I agree, KR was killed last.Probably the circumstance you described. Since Gary didn't have a vehicle, someone had to drive him to UHR. Possible W's in some way knew Gary would arrive and knew CR would have the door unlocked.

 

[LeftEyed]

Yes, now I do remember those conversations about guests
spending the night, so maybe no locked doors.
But would the Wagners have known that? IDK.
Wagners didn't seem to know about guests that night.

Didn't BJ say something more about ... 'she knew where to find the key'...?
That's how she got into the trailer. So there was a hidden key somewhere.
The dogs, the open window, the keys, the safe... so much that we don't know.
I agree, KR was killed last.Probably the circumstance you described. Since Gary didn't have a vehicle, someone had to drive him to UHR. Possible W's in some way knew Gary would arrive and knew CR would have the door unlocked.

Just thinking about GR being dropped off.
CR would be lying dead inside that trailer, the killers would be in there waiting. They would have to hit GR the second he walks in b/c he's going to see the blood immediately.

 

[Mind your biscuits]

Just thinking about GR being dropped off.
CR would be lying dead inside that trailer, the killers would be in there waiting. They would have to hit GR the second he walks in b/c he's going to see the blood immediately.

Who do you think dropped him off?