OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #59

[GiGi4277]

I sure hope that the prosecution attorneys have more evidence than what we heard at George Washington Wagner iv trial, AND for the information that CC accidentally got wrong about the suppresser having bullet marking not firing pin marks was a honest mistake, if it wasn’t for CC We the Sluthers on this site would not have half the information that We have now Please Keep Posting CoolCat (JB)

You said what I have been thinking. The evidence they've put out against George is minimal. I am sure they are holding on to some big stuff for trial. They just needed to put enough out there to keep him locked up. But still, I thought "Uh-oh"

 

[Betty P]

While it would be very helpful to us, I don't blame them. IMO, the Wagners and their associates are dangerous people and they are still out there. Even though the W4 are behind bars right now, there is no guarantee they will be convicted.

A lot of lives may still be in danger.

JMO, MOO and complete speculation.

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[Cool Cats]

I think they may have kept GR alive for a bit of time. If CRSR was awake and had a chance to try and flee, then was shot multiple times and killed...if the killers wanted to take money and valuables they may have questioned GR first before killing him. Robbing CRSR would just be one more way of destroying him. AJMO

The way Gary was shot with muzzle stains on his head, I think the cowards ambushed him. Yes they could have questioned him but they didn't need him to ransack the trailer looking for money.

Chris kept Gary's money so Gary wouldn't know any safe codes.

We know they tampered with the phones, probably stole them, and that they stole the security cameras.

...2 Cents...

 

[Cool Cats]

All 4 of the Wagners were charged with burglary, but it was assumed it was in the context of breaking into the victims' homes for the purpose of killing them and for the theft of security cameras and equipment. Was anything else stolen? Did they question Chris Sr. and Gary about the location of all the cameras before killing them?

ETA: WRT bullets found under the mobile home (new information), could those have come from shooting one of the victims while they were lying on the floor? I assume those subfloors are plywood or particleboard.

https://mobilehomeliving.org/how-to-replace-flooring-in-a-mobile-home/

Shells outdoors on the front porch could have come when they shot at Chris Sr. when he opened the door. He may have seen them outside and thought they were coming to fight again, so he may have opened the door without a weapon.

As for the rest, its long been the consensus here that Chris Sr. ran into a bedroom, possibly to retrieve a weapon, and was shot through that door.

Considering how much of a fight he put up, he came close to preventing the massacre. Sad.

Particle board. Bullet could go right through it. For all their boasting (glock man) and showing off (gun photo) they can't even shoot straight. Bunch of degenerates....2 Cents

 

[sunshineray]

The way Gary was shot with muzzle stains on his head, I think the cowards ambushed him. Yes they could have questioned him but they didn't need him to ransack the trailer looking for money.

Chris kept Gary's money so Gary wouldn't know any safe codes.

We know they tampered with the phones, probably stole them, and that they stole the security cameras.

...2 Cents...

I was thinking maybe the killers were also looking for a payday at CRSR's. I don't know, just a thought as to why CRSR decomposition was more than GR's. CRSR almost foiling the plan and being killed quicker, wasn't able to give up any money stashes he might have had from his weed dealings. Maybe GR was questioned for info on that kind of thing? I don't know, just a thought.

 

[Cool Cats]

I was thinking maybe the killers were also looking for a payday at CRSR's. I don't know, just a thought as to why CRSR decomposition was more than GR's. CRSR almost foiling the plan and being killed quicker, wasn't able to give up any money stashes he might have had from his weed dealings. Maybe GR was questioned for info on that kind of thing? I don't know, just a thought.

The question is, did they get the - what I assume to be money - out of the safe at Chris's that Sheriff Reader had hauled away on May 16, 2016?

Gary would not know the combination because Chris held back some of the money Gary earned to help him get off drugs, so there just is no way he gave him the combo.

But maybe the Wagners thought he might know the combo and asked him?

Maybe it's possible they wanted the safe combo from Chris.

To me, the way the shots were fired means they didn't take time to ask Chris anything. Not with a casing in the LR and a casing on the porch and a bullet under the house. If the casings were only in the bedroom it would look like they could have talked to him.

Safe Invoice...courtesy of @Puzzles8

A.L.H. Contracting, LLC
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2 Cents

 

[StrangeOne]

The question is, did they get the - what I assume to be money - out of the safe at Chris's that Sheriff Reader had hauled away on May 16, 2016?

I'm still around I've just been silent. They usually list what they take away don't they?

 

[Betty P]

I'm still around I've just been silent. They usually list what they take away don't they?

I'm assuming that, too. Burglary of items other than security cameras, etc. would probably show up in the discovery lists.

 

[NotHammerToed]

I was thinking maybe the killers were also looking for a payday at CRSR's. I don't know, just a thought as to why CRSR decomposition was more than GR's. CRSR almost foiling the plan and being killed quicker, wasn't able to give up any money stashes he might have had from his weed dealings. Maybe GR was questioned for info on that kind of thing? I don't know, just a thought.

seems very plausible they were planning a trip to Alaska, not to mention the legal fees Jake complained about. That probably put a damper on their Alaska funds.

 

[Cool Cats]

I'm still around I've just been silent. They usually list what they take away don't they?

They inventory everything. Photograph it, number and categorize it, 3-D scan the crime scenes, log it in evidence logs, bag it and it goes through a "chain of custody" that shows it wasn't tampered with. Chain of custody is mentioned, 21 pages, on George's Discovery with the Lab DNA and firearms report.

There is evidence logs listed for all 4 crime scenes, for the footprints, for Jake's truck, for 260 Peterson Rd. and for Fred's Bethel Hill Rd. property. They used to live on Bethel Hill Rd. and it was searched 11-4-19 at the same time they searched FWF for the 2nd or 3rd time. I think there were signs it might have been searched in August 2018.

When all is said and done the photos and analysis, descriptions, Labs, Ballistics etc..all go into the BCI Document Files, also listed in Discovery, then into Discovery Folders that Canepa brings to court.

The actual physical evidence is locked away in the evidence room until trial.

...My understanding of it from the Discovery Documents and Evidence presented at the Bond Hearing.

 

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[Johnny B Bad]

I’ve got a question to ask you Sluthers, LE provided us with information about how many times each victims was shot and where they where shot also about some victims had brushing, so if we where told this much information why is the autopsy reports withheld from public to see? That makes me think that the victims was torture more than we know, also when Sheriff Reader was ask about what he thought of the Wagners family had a plan to make a hit on him an some others that work on the case, Reader Said That He Saw What The Wagners Can Do And He Almost Cried When He Was Talking About It, JMO

 

[Piffcat]

The question is, did they get the - what I assume to be money - out of the safe at Chris's that Sheriff Reader had hauled away on May 16, 2016?

Gary would not know the combination because Chris held back some of the money Gary earned to help him get off drugs, so there just is no way he gave him the combo.

But maybe the Wagners thought he might know the combo and asked him?

Maybe it's possible they wanted the safe combo from Chris.

To me, the way the shots were fired means they didn't take time to ask Chris anything. Not with a casing in the LR and a casing on the porch and a bullet under the house. If the casings were only in the bedroom it would look like they could have talked to him.

Safe Invoice...courtesy of @Puzzles8

A.L.H. Contracting, LLC
6976 State Route 124
Latham, OH 45646-9703
View full business profile

2 Cents

Unless it wasn't money in the safe. That particular safe was overkill.. I'm sure crsr new a million places to hide money. Whatever was in that safe he wanted very close at hand. One thinks back to the bank vault doors at eurys mj grow. This safe is more of a vault!
Even tho Gary had the money thing doesn't mean crsr wouldn't trust him with other confidences . He would have been crsr insurance policy by access. Also would explain why gary was a threat other then fight witness. All MOO

 

[Covert Operative]

Perhaps KR was only shot once to make it look like a murder suicide. They would need to circle back to him to complete that task and possibly some things did not go as expected so they could not finish that plan. They may have used the time he normally would come to CRsr home as a time to get in. I think GR may have gone to open door and was shot at the door. CRsr heard, came to see what was going on and ran to back bedroom where he was killed and found. GR was dragged back there.

 

[Cool Cats]

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I have posted in discussions on here about pretty much everything but if you'all, as new members/posters on here, want to discuss something - even if it has been discussed many times before - please feel free to post about it. Also, most on here can also answer if you have any questions about what's gone on in court so far.

 

[Covert Operative]

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Very nice to see new members on here!

I have posted in discussions on here about pretty much everything but if you'all, as new members/posters on here, want to discuss something - even if it has been discussed many times before - please feel free to post about it. Also, most on here can also answer if you have any questions about what's gone on in court so far.

 

[Cool Cats]

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I respect all viewpoints but will give a different, even opposite opinion if I have one.

If I disagree I will still respect your right to your own opinion. Same as most posters on here. Cool posters are on here just waiting for justice. Two years 4 months since arrests. A different case from other Websleuth cases.

It has been 5 years next month since the 8 murders happened.

Ridiculously long to get Justice. I respect all the posters on here who keep patiently waiting for justice. This is absolutely crazy the time it is taking.

Thanks everyone for keeping on keeping on, and @Tricia thanks for giving us a space to vent and learn and discuss! ...

 

[Cool Cats]

Unless it wasn't money in the safe. That particular safe was overkill.. I'm sure crsr new a million places to hide money. Whatever was in that safe he wanted very close at hand. One thinks back to the bank vault doors at eurys mj grow. This safe is more of a vault!
Even tho Gary had the money thing doesn't mean crsr wouldn't trust him with other confidences . He would have been crsr insurance policy by access. Also would explain why gary was a threat other then fight witness. All MOO

I only mentioned the safe because I was discussing with a poster whether or not Gary was kept alive long enough for the Wagners to ask him where something might be.

I basically said the Wagners could ransack Chris's trailer without needing informaion from Gary......That the only information they would need is the combo to Chris's safe that was hauled away.

This applies if the safe was

1.) Too heavy to move.
2.) Had a combination lock.

Car titles and license plates could have been in the safe. Chris and Dana both were involved with selling used cars.

 

[Covert Operative]

I only mentioned the safe because I was discussing with a poster whether or not Gary was kept alive long enough for the Wagners to ask him where something might be.

I basically said the Wagners could ransack Chris's trailer without needing informaion from Gary......That the only information they would need is the combo to Chris's safe that was hauled away.

This applies if the safe was

1.) Too heavy to move.
2.) Had a combination lock.

Car titles and license plates could have been in the safe. Chris and Dana both were involved with selling used cars.

They probably did not get into the safe, but if they did they could have closed it back like it is assumed they locked the doors.

 

[Cool Cats]

They probably did not get into the safe, but if they did they could have closed it back like it is assumed they locked the doors.

Yes a safe can be closed again. But I don't think what the Wagners did that night had anything to do with Chris's safe.

Because, to me anyway, the ballistic evidence shows that the Wagner's killed Chris in such a way as to preclude asking him questions.

I do not think they asked Chris or Gary anything.

Their motive was to kill only. These are cowards of the first degree. Shoot, kill.