OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #59

[FrankieT]

So FW is going to testify for GW4 but hasn’t said anything about Billy, Angela and Jake does that mean the people that FW is going tell about committing the murders is Billy, Angela and Jake, JMO

Can I love your brain any more? You are the boss...

 

[Betty P]

If you really think that she has been skilled at con games for most of her life then maybe:

Fred and her attorney cooked up a scheme that she can give her testimony for George without having to sit in the witness box and be raked over the fiery coals by the prosecution.

Heck, I wouldn't be shocked if her lawyer fixed it up with George's lawyer.

In a deposition her lawyer and George's lawyer can get the exact answers from her they want, they have the upper hand. But on the witness stand it would be a free-for-all with Canepa chewing her up and spitting her out like a chicken bone.

I don't think her attorney (maybe even George's attorney) is too keen on her getting cross examined, remember in the interviews at her house her attorney interrupted to steer the conversation and to clarify. And that was just at her house, court would be 10X's worse.

Just saying....

Re FW and GW4's attorney's plan for her testimony in absentia, I doubt the judge will allow it.

 

[Covert Operative]

Re FW and GW4's attorney's plan for her testimony in absentia, I doubt the judge will allow it.

I think the the judge will allow her to be deposed. She would still testify in court if she is available I believe, even if deposed. It really is not a good idea normally to depose your own witness, anything they say can be brought back up in court to them and used against them if they then answer differently. It does give the witness an advantage to somewhat know what the lawyer will ask them in court and what the prosecution will ask in advance. He may be counting that she will not be around to testify.

 

[Cool Cats]

I think the the judge will allow her to be deposed. She would still testify in court if she is available I believe, even if deposed. It really is not a good idea normally to depose your own witness, anything they say can be brought back up in court to them and used against them if they then answer differently. It does give the witness an advantage to somewhat know what the lawyer will ask them in court and what the prosecution will ask in advance. He may be counting that she will not be around to testify.

Your right, the deposition can be used against them if they are available to take the stand.

Impeaching a Witness With Deposition Testimony

Here is an example of how a lawyer might use a witness’s deposition testimony to discredit that person at trial:

Bill is a witness in a burglary case. He is 75 years old and frail. The court lets the prosecutor depose Bill because of his age and poor health. At the deposition, Bill describes the burglar as a white man over six feet tall.

Bill is healthy and available to testify at trial. During his trial testimony, he identifies the defendant as the burglar. The defendant is a short black man. The defendant’s attorney uses Bill’s deposition testimony describing the burglar as a tall white man to discredit his identification of the defendant at trial.

(Link in post below)

 

[Cool Cats]

Re FW and GW4's attorney's plan for her testimony in absentia, I doubt the judge will allow it.

Criminal Depositions: Preserving Witness Testimony.

Reasons to Allow Depositions in a Criminal Case
In most states, the defense attorney or the prosecutor must convince the judge that a good reason exists for granting the request for a deposition. The lawyers must convince the court that:

• the witness is likely to be unavailable for trial, and
• the witness’s testimony is material to the case.

When Is a Witness Unavailable?
The issues that judges consider include:

• the witness’s health (is the witness sick or infirm?)
• the witness’s age (is the witness 65 years of age or older?)
• the witness’s residency (is the witness about to leave the state or country?)
• the witness’s safety (has the witness’s life or well-being been threatened?), and
• the witness’s custody status (is the witness about to be imprisoned, released from custody, or deported?)

Using Depositions as Evidence at Trial
Before allowing deposition transcripts to be introduced as evidence, judges require the lawyer who is offering the deposition transcript to make a good faith effort to get the witness to appear in court.

Courts have a strong preference for live testimony at trial over deposition transcripts because, in order to evaluate that person’s believability, the judge or jury should see the witness’s behavior (demeanor) while testifying.

If the judge concludes that the witness is truly unavailable, the lawyer substitutes the witness’s deposition testimony for live testimony at trial.

 

[OhioBlues]

Does anyone know the meaning of the skull tattoo with cue ball and 4 aces? I had 1 meaning a few months back and a possible different meaning now.

TIA

 

[Covert Operative]

Johnny B Bad- I could not reply to one of your post for some reason. FW might supposedly have some testimony that is specific to help G4 but not not implicate the other 3. Therefore he will say another person or group is responsible and not G4. He may leave that in general terms or if JW has already been found guilty at the time he may do/say whatever he needs to try to get G4 off.

 

[Covert Operative]

Does anyone know the meaning of the skull tattoo with cue ball and 4 aces? I had 1 meaning a few months back and a possible different meaning now.

TIA

In his case I would say 8 people dead (skull) and they are the 4 aces that killed them.

 

[Betty P]

Criminal Depositions: Preserving Witness Testimony.

Reasons to Allow Depositions in a Criminal Case
In most states, the defense attorney or the prosecutor must convince the judge that a good reason exists for granting the request for a deposition. The lawyers must convince the court that:

• the witness is likely to be unavailable for trial, and
• the witness’s testimony is material to the case.

When Is a Witness Unavailable?
The issues that judges consider include:

• the witness’s health (is the witness sick or infirm?)
• the witness’s age (is the witness 65 years of age or older?)
• the witness’s residency (is the witness about to leave the state or country?)
• the witness’s safety (has the witness’s life or well-being been threatened?), and
• the witness’s custody status (is the witness about to be imprisoned, released from custody, or deported?)

Using Depositions as Evidence at Trial
Before allowing deposition transcripts to be introduced as evidence, judges require the lawyer who is offering the deposition transcript to make a good faith effort to get the witness to appear in court.

Courts have a strong preference for live testimony at trial over deposition transcripts because, in order to evaluate that person’s believability, the judge or jury should see the witness’s behavior (demeanor) while testifying.

If the judge concludes that the witness is truly unavailable, the lawyer substitutes the witness’s deposition testimony for live testimony at trial.

Thanks for the reminder. I'm going to ask Prairie Wind to give us an opinion on this motion. Pretty sure the prosecution is allowed to question the witness in a deposition.

 

[OhioBlues]

BW had an unusual haircut when he was arrested.

I can't find the news photo now but I recently saw it and it was from the back (his hands were handcuffed behind his back).

When I saw it, I thought it looked a lot like some of the White Supremist that have been on the news this year.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Criminal Depositions: Preserving Witness Testimony.

Reasons to Allow Depositions in a Criminal Case
In most states, the defense attorney or the prosecutor must convince the judge that a good reason exists for granting the request for a deposition. The lawyers must convince the court that:

• the witness is likely to be unavailable for trial, and
• the witness’s testimony is material to the case.

When Is a Witness Unavailable?
The issues that judges consider include:

• the witness’s health (is the witness sick or infirm?)
• the witness’s age (is the witness 65 years of age or older?)
• the witness’s residency (is the witness about to leave the state or country?)
• the witness’s safety (has the witness’s life or well-being been threatened?), and
• the witness’s custody status (is the witness about to be imprisoned, released from custody, or deported?)

Using Depositions as Evidence at Trial
Before allowing deposition transcripts to be introduced as evidence, judges require the lawyer who is offering the deposition transcript to make a good faith effort to get the witness to appear in court.

Courts have a strong preference for live testimony at trial over deposition transcripts because, in order to evaluate that person’s believability, the judge or jury should see the witness’s behavior (demeanor) while testifying.

If the judge concludes that the witness is truly unavailable, the lawyer substitutes the witness’s deposition testimony for live testimony at trial.

Does someone know something we Sluthers don’t know, is Fredericka Wagner sick and about to pass away????

 

[OhioBlues]

Johnny B Bad- I could not reply to one of your post for some reason. FW might supposedly have some testimony that is specific to help G4 but not not implicate the other 3. Therefore he will say another person or group is responsible and not G4. He may leave that in general terms or if JW has already been found guilty at the time he may do/say whatever he needs to try to get G4 off.

Didn't G4 have a sealed document filed at a earlier hearing (in case it was ever needed)?

G4 is the only one with a male heir (in the W4 that would carry on the W name).

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Does anyone know the meaning of the skull tattoo with cue ball and 4 aces? I had 1 meaning a few months back and a possible different meaning now.

TIA

A skull could mean death, the 8 Ball could be victims and you know what 4 Aces is???? JMO

 

[Covert Operative]

Didn't G4 have a sealed document filed at a earlier hearing (in case it was ever needed)?

G4 is the only one with a male heir (in the W4 that would carry on the W name).

G4 and JW have had sealed documents filed. It could have something to do with minor children or it could be many things.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Has anyone of you Sluthers read anywhere that Angela Wagner was abscess with CRIME SHOWS, I read somewhere that she study them????

 

[Covert Operative]

BW had an unusual haircut when he was arrested.

I can't find the news photo now but I recently saw it and it was from the back (his hands were handcuffed behind his back).

When I saw it, I thought it looked a lot like some of the White Supremist that have been on the news this year.

 

[Covert Operative]

A skull could mean death, the 8 Ball could be victims and you know what 4 Aces is???? JMO

Would be especially incriminating if they all 4 were the ace of spades (death) which I do not know if they are.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Would be especially incriminating if they all 4 were the ace of spades (death) which I do not know if they are.

George Wagner iv does like the lone wolf symbol he did have a picture of one on his Facebook that made AW mad, JMO

 

[Covert Operative]

George Wagner iv does like the lone wolf symbol he did have a picture of one on his Facebook that made AW mad, JMO

Yes he did and it was posted not that long after the information came out that KR was shot in the right eye.

 

[Everything22]

Your right, the deposition can be used against them if they are available to take the stand.

Impeaching a Witness With Deposition Testimony

Here is an example of how a lawyer might use a witness’s deposition testimony to discredit that person at trial:

Bill is a witness in a burglary case. He is 75 years old and frail. The court lets the prosecutor depose Bill because of his age and poor health. At the deposition, Bill describes the burglar as a white man over six feet tall.

Bill is healthy and available to testify at trial. During his trial testimony, he identifies the defendant as the burglar. The defendant is a short black man. The defendant’s attorney uses Bill’s deposition testimony describing the burglar as a tall white man to discredit his identification of the defendant at trial.

(Link in post below)

So, FW is testifying to what? Sorry.