OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #59

[Cool Cats]

Has anyone of you Sluthers read anywhere that Angela Wagner was abscess with CRIME SHOWS, I read somewhere that she study them????

Sounds very familiar, I think Angie's cousin said this on the Podcast.

Does someone know something we Sluthers don’t know, is Fredericka Wagner sick and about to pass away????

No. Nash is worried that maybe FW will not make it to the trial to testify because of her age and the pandemic.

I'm not sure this is a good enough reason for the judge to allow the deposition. From researching depositions it looks to me like FW would have to be sick right now, as opposed to maybe getting sick in the future.

From the Defense's Motion requesting the Deposition (Quote)

"There is no assurance given the age of the witness and the pandemic that has ravaged the country that the witness will be available for trial at some uncertain date in the future. If the testimony is not preserved by deposition, then the truth seeking function of the jury trial will be severely harmed beyond repair.

The anticipated testimony points strongly to the defenfant's actual innocence and the guilt of another person or group of people. Counsel can provide details to the court under seal so as not to cause this witness any undue harassment before the deposition is conducted."

 

[Cool Cats]

So, FW is testifying to what? Sorry.

From the Defense's Motion requesting the Deposition (Quote)

"The anticipated testimony points strongly to the defenfant's actual innocence and the guilt of another person or group of people. Counsel can provide details to the court under seal so as not to cause this witness any undue harassment before the deposition is conducted."

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Sounds very familiar, I think Angie's cousin said this on the Podcast.



No. Nash is worried that maybe FW will not make it to the trial to testify because of her age and the pandemic.

I'm not sure this is a good enough reason for the judge to allow the deposition. From researching depositions it looks to me like FW would have to be sick right now, as opposed to maybe getting sick in the future.

From the Defense Motion for Deposition (Quote)

"There is no assurance given the age of the witness and the pandemic that has ravaged the country that the witness will be available for trial at some uncertain date in the future. If the testimony is not preserved by deposition, then the truth seeking function of the jury trial will be severely harmed beyond repair.

The anticipated testimony points strongly to the defenfant's actual innocence and the guilt of another person or group of people. Counsel can provide details to the court under seal so as not to cause this witness any undue harassment before the deposition is conducted."

Wow CC, Fredericka is going to testify against Jake, Angela and Billy to save George iv !!!! IMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Wow CC, Fredericka is going to testify against Jake, Angela and Billy to save George iv !!!! IMO

Don't make me crazy .....LOL...

That's one way to look at it!

Why do you think she wants to "save" George, but would toss the others under the "BCI bus" ... ?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Don't make me crazy .....LOL...

That's one way to look at it!

Why do you think she might want to "save" George?

She is crazy who knows what is on her mind, JMO

 

[Betty P]

Sounds very familiar, I think Angie's cousin said this on the Podcast.



No. Nash is worried that maybe FW will not make it to the trial to testify because of her age and the pandemic.

I'm not sure this is a good enough reason for the judge to allow the deposition. From researching depositions it looks to me like FW would have to be sick right now, as opposed to maybe getting sick in the future.

From the Defense's Motion requesting the Deposition (Quote)

"There is no assurance given the age of the witness and the pandemic that has ravaged the country that the witness will be available for trial at some uncertain date in the future. If the testimony is not preserved by deposition, then the truth seeking function of the jury trial will be severely harmed beyond repair.

The anticipated testimony points strongly to the defenfant's actual innocence and the guilt of another person or group of people. Counsel can provide details to the court under seal so as not to cause this witness any undue harassment before the deposition is conducted."

Ohio has done a pretty good job of making the COVID 19 vaccines available to people over age 65. Fredericka Wagner should have been able to get both vaccine doses by now. JMO

ETA: There are 5 different locations in Pike County where FW could have scheduled vaccinations.

COVID-19 « Pike County General Health District

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[Cool Cats]

She is crazy who knows what is on her mind, JMO

Yup! I see why it could look that way because apparently she is going to

get harassed when her testimony does eventually come out. To me, this makes it sound more like local people familiar with her and familiar with the FWF area.

just one point of view

 

[Cool Cats]

Ohio has done a pretty good job of making the COVID 19 vaccines available to people over age 65. Fredericka Wagner should have been able to get both vaccine doses by now. JMO

ETA: There are 5 different locations in Pike County where FW could have scheduled vaccinations.

COVID-19 « Pike County General Health District

More in Scioto County

scioto county ohio covid 19 vaccines - Google Search

Exactly what I was thinking and it wouldn't surprise me if Deering asked if she has been vaccinated.

 

[Sleuth2u]

FW could be refusing to get vaccinated and that’s why they want to do the deposition. Edited to add JMO

 

[Dudly]

FW could be refusing to get vaccinated and that’s why they want to do the deposition. Edited to add JMO

That is possible depending on her religious beliefs...

 

[IType]

Don't make me crazy .....LOL...

That's one way to look at it!

Why do you think she wants to "save" George, but would toss the others under the "BCI bus" ... ?

In my opinion, FW needs GW to not go to prison for life or be executed so she has another generation to carry on her legacy at FWF. When FW becomes incapacitated or dies, she has her daughter to carry on FWF. Therefore, she doesn't need to worry so much about BW's fate in court. However, after her daughter is gone/incapacitated, there's no one else to continue her legacy.

She lists her daughter in her trust but not her other son. So it would make sense that she wouldn't want his children (if he has any) to take over the farm when her daughter can no longer do it. Therefore, she needs GW to be the next generation. If it were possible for GW to be released, then I would be willing to bet that FW would then help GW fight to get regain custody of his son so that he would be able to carry on the farm legacy upon GW's incapacitation or death. RW would be the second generation, GW would be the third generation and his son would be the fourth generation.

I really feel this to be the case since GW is the only one FW has shown really any interest in communicating with and/or trying to get released/acquitted. JMO

 

[IType]

That is possible depending on her religious beliefs...

She might also have a health condition that precludes her from getting the vaccine. Or, simply, she just might not want to get it. Many people are afraid of the vaccine.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Re FW and GW4's attorney's plan for her testimony in absentia, I doubt the judge will allow it.

I agree. Unless she's going to pay off a doc to declare that she's dealing w the beginnings of dementia (which would make her testimony very suspect)...or she pulls off a great disappearing act (like WitSec), I don't see the judge allowing it.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

In my opinion, FW needs GW to not go to prison for life or be executed so she has another generation to carry on her legacy at FWF. When FW becomes incapacitated or dies, she has her daughter to carry on FWF. Therefore, she doesn't need to worry so much about BW's fate in court. However, after her daughter is gone/incapacitated, there's no one else to continue her legacy.

She lists her daughter in her trust but not her other son. So it would make sense that she wouldn't want his children (if he has any) to take over the farm when her daughter can no longer do it. Therefore, she needs GW to be the next generation. If it were possible for GW to be released, then I would be willing to bet that FW would then help GW fight to get regain custody of his son so that he would be able to carry on the farm legacy upon GW's incapacitation or death. RW would be the second generation, GW would be the third generation and his son would be the fourth generation.

I really feel this to be the case since GW is the only one FW has shown really any interest in communicating with and/or trying to get released/acquitted. JMO

What would prevent FW from stipulating in the trust that by such and such date that her daughter must have an heir or be cut off? I've heard of some really strange stipulations in some trusts. I find it difficult to believe that FW would entrust her "legacy" to GW. He doesn't strike me as a real go getter or driven or knowledgeable about running a farm. MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

That is possible depending on her religious beliefs...

Religious beliefs is just one of several reasons one might refuse the vaccine. As I mentioned upthread, a vaccine of any kind is contraindicated for one on any number of medications, as well as for certain health conditions. Also, many are distrustful of vaccines, this one in particular.

 

[Ann99]

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From the Defense's Motion requesting the Deposition (Quote)
"There is no assurance given the age of the witness and the pandemic that has ravaged the country that the witness will be available for trial at some uncertain date in the future. If the testimony is not preserved by deposition, then the truth seeking function of the jury trial will be severely harmed beyond repair.

The anticipated testimony points strongly to the defenfant's actual innocence and the guilt of another person or group of people. Counsel can provide details to the court under seal so as not to cause this witness any undue harassment before the deposition is conducted."

MO.

GW attorney is using every possible tactic. FW is cooperating.
What is the SODDI Defense? | McClenahen Law Firm
"The SODDI is one of the most commonly employed defenses in jury trials involving violent crimes. SODDI is an acronym, which stands for “some other dude did it” ...snip...
The term “SODDI” is used in situations where the Defense does not know who “the other dude” is.
The term “TODDI” is used when the Defense knows who “the other dude” is, with TODDI standing for “The other dude did it.”
“The other dude” is most commonly a co-defendant." "
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FW attorney is using a standard defense tactic to create doubt. "Another dude" or "The Other Dude" did it.
(It's a little comical to think of FW actually saying "dude")
Speculation.
It is interesting to try to think of what may be the 'logic' behind FW defending only George with this knowledge, and not the others.
Add to that unavailable testimony from someone already deceased. ( I assume her husband, George's Father), and it becomes more complicated.
Will FW throw the other W's under the BCI bus just to save her youngest son (her favorite?) who has a male heir?
Or will FW do so just to cause 'confusion' as in a standard defense?
Confusion that could possibly benefit all 4 W's. Or not.

Or, is there some other long term generational feud or business venture between R's and W's that the elder W (FW husband) would have had knowledge of and testified to, indicating specific other people.
A Hatfield and Mc Coy type explanation, but the W' being neither Hatfield or McCoy. Some "Other" Family was involved with R's

Again, any or all of this causes confusion, casts some doubt on prosecution theory.
MOO

 

[IType]

What would prevent FW from stipulating in the trust that by such and such date that her daughter must have an heir or be cut off? I've heard of some really strange stipulations in some trusts. I find it difficult to believe that FW would entrust her "legacy" to GW. He doesn't strike me as a real go getter or driven or knowledgeable about running a farm. MOO

I'm sure there could be stipulations in FW's trust pertaining to heirs, etc. But given the age of FW's daughter, I have doubts she would be having a blood-related "heir to the throne". BW is turning 50 in a couple months, and RW is older than BW.

If RW adopted a child, that would provide an heir--but only if FW accepted the child as a true Wagner, which is a 50/50 chance--either she would or she wouldn't. I had a great aunt who never, ever accepted her step-granddaughter or her two grandchildren who were adopted at birth due to infertility issues. They weren't related to her by blood, so they weren't really her grandchildren. Pretty crappy attitude if you ask me, but that's the way she felt until the day she died.

IMO, if RW was going to have or adopt a child, she'd have done it when she was much younger than she is today. Both of my parents were born into multigenerational "legacy farm" families. I have seen firsthand how important maintaining the hierarchy is. GW4 may be no ball of fire, but I think FW sees him as the only one likely to carry on after RW can no longer run the farm. Just my opinion

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I agree. Unless she's going to pay off a doc to declare that she's dealing w the beginnings of dementia (which would make her testimony very suspect)...or she pulls off a great disappearing act (like WitSec), I don't see the judge allowing it.

Judge Deering is close to Fredericka age and if she not sick than if he can be there she should be at court, JMO

 

[Covert Operative]

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Judge Deering is close to Fredericka age and if she not sick than if he can be there she should be at court, JMO

She will still have to testify if she is available/able even if deposed. Canepa may want to and probably would depose her, so defense better be careful what they ask for. If it was some really strong evidence/information I think they would have tried to use it to get him out on bond.

 

[Covert Operative]

In my opinion, FW needs GW to not go to prison for life or be executed so she has another generation to carry on her legacy at FWF. When FW becomes incapacitated or dies, she has her daughter to carry on FWF. Therefore, she doesn't need to worry so much about BW's fate in court. However, after her daughter is gone/incapacitated, there's no one else to continue her legacy.

She lists her daughter in her trust but not her other son. So it would make sense that she wouldn't want his children (if he has any) to take over the farm when her daughter can no longer do it. Therefore, she needs GW to be the next generation. If it were possible for GW to be released, then I would be willing to bet that FW would then help GW fight to get regain custody of his son so that he would be able to carry on the farm legacy upon GW's incapacitation or death. RW would be the second generation, GW would be the third generation and his son would be the fourth generation.

I really feel this to be the case since GW is the only one FW has shown really any interest in communicating with and/or trying to get released/acquitted. JMO

Her "evidence" may be specific to G4 and it may not incriminate the others. She could do that without accusing the others depending on what it is.