OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #59

[Cool Cats]

3 Things to Know About Gag Orders | Spatz Law Firm, PL

1. What is a Gag Order?
A gag order occurs when a judge makes a ruling that a specific case cannot be discussed outside of the courtroom. This includes speaking of, writing about, or sharing any of the case’s information. The main purpose of a gag order is to control publicity and protect the right to a fair trial. This is most common in high profile cases and is aimed at keeping press and other forms of media out of the case. There is often a debate about whether or not gag orders conflict with the first amendment’s right to freedom of speech, but judges are careful to restrict only within the proper limits in order to not violate any constitutional rights.

2. Who is Affected By a Gag Order?
Gag orders are directed at both the defendant and prosecuting parties, the lawyers involved, the jurors, and any witnesses that may be testifying during the trial. These parties must adhere to the gag order as a way to restrict what information about the case may become available to media outlets in both civil and criminal cases. Court personnel who are in the courtroom during the trial are also typically expected to follow suit during a gag order.

3. What Happens When You Violate A Gag Order?

Gag Order - Definition, Examples, Cases, Processes

What is a Gag Order
A gag order is issued by the court to order individuals involved with a civil or criminal court case to refrain from disclosing certain information to the public, or to the press. People who are commonly the targets of gag orders include witnesses, attorneys, law enforcement officials, jurors, and other parties to a legal matter. Gag orders, sometimes referred to as “protective orders,” are a tool commonly used by judges to protect individuals’ right to a fair trial, to protect a company’s trade secrets, or to protect the identity and privacy of minors and victims. Because this type of order restrains people from releasing information, or from discussing the case in any manner, it may be considered a type of restraining order.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Is there any way to verify that the persons being interviewed are actually who they claim to be?

Should everything they say be taken at face value if they are not verified or known insiders who would have factual info from LE or the prosecution? Just a rhetorical question,not questioning the Mod.

Remember, the judge has placed a gag order on this case. Absolutely no one associated with the case or suspects is allowed to speak about it. Yet there are apparently rumors being spread via this "podcast" that no insider to the case would be allowed to discuss.

JMO, in light of the gag order issued by Judge Deering I have no intention of listening to or discussing anything revealed in that podcast. Its a long time before Jake's trial begins. The next time we're likely to learn any new factual information will be at his next motion hearing.

Excellent points.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Is there any way to verify that the persons being interviewed are actually who they claim to be?

Should everything they say be taken at face value if they are not verified or known insiders who would have factual info from LE or the prosecution? Just a rhetorical question,not questioning the Mod.

Remember, the judge has placed a gag order on this case. Absolutely no one associated with the case or suspects is allowed to speak about it. Yet there are apparently rumors being spread via this "podcast" that no insider to the case would be allowed to discuss.

JMO, in light of the gag order issued by Judge Deering I have no intention of listening to or discussing anything revealed in that podcast. Its a long time before Jake's trial begins. The next time we're likely to learn any new factual information will be at his next motion hearing.

Excellent points.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

The "gag" order was placed on the Wagner 4 as well as their attorneys, and Fred and her attorney... but since she is no longer under court supervision her gag order is no longer valid.

The podcast participants and general public are under no such order. That would be asinine. If such an order could be issued as a blanket gag order lol, everyone (including us) would be screwed when it comes to discussion of this case.


"A gag order has been issued in the case, preventing attorneys and law enforcement from discussing it."

Well, we can discuss it til the cows come home, but we don't have factual information about the case. Any podcast would be swapping opinions. If they had factual information not yet revealed, they'd be obligated to go to the police. MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

My apologies as I am late to the game because the murders were a little too close to home and the sheer number of homicides is difficult at best. Where is little Sophia assuming anyone knows? TIA!
I have purposely stayed away from this case but watched the special over the weekend. Hopefully justice is swift and I will continue to watch for that. This is a truly horrific case IMO

What "special" was aired?

I missed it too.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I missed it too.

Wonder what they could reveal with the gag order?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Well, we can discuss it til the cows come home, but we don't have factual information about the case. Any podcast would be swapping opinions. If they had factual information not yet revealed, they'd be obligated to go to the police. MOO

Ya'll can discuss it "til' the cows come home"... I'm good. As I said, anyone who listens to a podcast can form their OWN opinion. For me, I'm over it.

 

[Cool Cats]

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I think the podcast on the Rhodens and Wagners is very interesting and worth a listen....Seriously.

Do you all think that everything quoted by an insider in a MSM article is actually fact?

Did Jake and Angela tell the true facts of the case to journalist Chris Graves?

You get lies to MSM journalists all the time by defendants.

So same in podcasts.

Truth and lies my friends - truth and lies- up to us to try to sort out the difference until we get a trial that lays it all out there.

Can't wait.

 

[Cool Cats]

I don't know, CC. It seems that there are millions of people who can't tell the truth from the lies. Personally, I listen to the podcasts but they usually get things wrong. They frustrate me. lol

Yup! We know more than the people doing Rhoden podcasts. A rumor started from this current podcast which we had to squelch. There really was only one person on there that had some interesting things to say about 3 of the Wagners and Jake and Hanna.

And I enjoyed hearing Chris Jr's friend and Dana's friend talk about them.

But that's about it so I guess I'll take back my endorsement of the podcast after reading your post and thinking more about it.

I really like the court process because it is made to get to the truth of things.
You see the motions and evidence exactly for what they are. Blinders off.

 

[almond]

Yup! We know more than the people doing Rhoden podcasts. A rumor started from this current podcast which we had to squelch. There really was only one person on there that had some interesting things to say about 3 of the Wagners and Jake and Hanna.

And I enjoyed hearing Chris Jr's friend and Dana's friend talk about them.

But that's about it so I guess I'll take back my endorsement of the podcast after reading your post and thinking more about it.

I really like the court process because it is made to get to the truth of things.
You see the motions and evidence exactly for what they are. Blinders off.

"And I enjoyed hearing Chris Jr's friend and Dana's friend talk about them."

I do enjoy the personal touches, definitely. Maybe a podcast could be created by someone on here... CC? You can call it, Just the facts. Jack. lol Thanks for all you do!

 

[Puzzles8]

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I think the podcast on the Rhodens and Wagners is very interesting and worth a listen....Seriously.

Do you all think that everything quoted by an insider in a MSM article is actually fact?

Did Jake and Angela tell the true facts of the case to journalist Chris Graves?

You get lies to MSM journalists all the time by defendants.

So same in podcasts.

Truth and lies my friends - truth and lies- up to us to try to sort out the difference until we get a trial that lays it all out there.

Can't wait.

I think the bar is set based on the professional reputation of the creator/journalist or the publication they work for. I would highly regard information in an article by Ronan Farrow or reliable news network.

On the other hand, we've seen some sketchy podcasts, youtubes and articles published by "press". They may or may not be reliable. You have to ask yourself what motivation they had when they created the media, both the host and the person they interview. Are they paid interviews?

I think Chris Graves and several others did an outstanding job on the coverage of the murders. She was accurately reporting the information AW and Jake were giving her. She quoted their statements in her articles. CG made it clear she was directly quoting A&J opinions. At this point you have to ask, what were Jake and Angie's motivation to give those interviews. I think LE even tapped CG's phone (opinion, no link).

There are other interviews with friends and family members. I think they are valid and a nice way to commemorate and remember

the eight lives that were so tragically taken. But not necessarily any more factual information to the cases.

Again, we have to ask the possible motivation of the host or guest. Are other journalists also reporting the information? Hopefully no one is using the media to try to spread false information.

Always, Consider the Source....

I wouldn't trust the W4 as far as I could throw them, but that's JMO.

ETA - grammar

 

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[Fat Old Man]

I believe you are 100% correct..Smiley Face for you today... LOL

I was sure they left Peterson Rd because of the murders but I couldn't figure out what it was about the investigation that "spooked" them so abruptly and I believe it's what you say, they underestimated everything, especially BCI.

I believe they were completely blindsided that it didn't all just blow over, instead BCI intensified their pursuit. They thought Pike couldn't solve it then freaked out when BCI refused to leave Waverly Ohio in their gigantic mobile command center.

I am sure, the Wagner had a set of ears inside, the Pike county Sheriff office. And maybe this is when the focus of search warrants, changed from the Manley's, to the Wagner's tangle of lies. They figured out that their story was unraveling.

 

[Cool Cats]

I am sure, the Wagner had a set of ears inside, the Pike county Sheriff office. And maybe this is when the focus of search warrants, changed from the Manley's, to the Wagner's tangle of lies. They figured out that their story was unraveling.

BCI was the agency investigating. BCI took the case a few hours after Pike Deputies secured UHR even before finding Kenny. I don't think any officers would risk their jobs or the investigation by revealing any type of information to the Wagners, or giving the Wagners a heads up.

BCI kept coming around asking questions and Wagners felt the heat. Something gave them the idea they were being intensely scrutinized - they underestimated the whole thing.

Going to AK was one way to keep BCI from dropping in.
Maybe BCI dropped a hint about what they had and it spooked them.

...2 Cents...

 

[Antimony]

No West Virginia?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

What about the wire taping that the Wagners we here doing about the murders to all the way up to summer of 2017 listed in the Wagners court paper work? Who where they listen to ???? JMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Ohio lawmakers announce GOP-supported effort to end death penalty | 10tv.com

 

[Johnny B Bad]

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...Prosecutions/PikeCountyMurderIndictments.aspx

Under the Ohio Indictment of Angela Wagner, the proof that the Grand Jury saw, was that she was there at the crime scene during & helping to commitment the murders of the Rhodens/Gilley family.In my opinion this woman is very capable of altering the crime scene to make it look like the Rhodens & Manleys family where criminal, We don’t know how much the BCI found during their investigation that was staged, Angela Wagner is very sneaky woman. One of the Killers though up the con of wearing the same shoes that matched the victims family members so the blame would go towards someone else so what else did they do, IMO the Killers was in on the undercurrent of the drugs that MIke DeWine spoke of during the press conference when the Wagners was arrested, JMO

In other words, Angela Wagner was standing there or helped shoot Frankie, Hanna Rhodens and Hannah Gilley in their mobile homes while they were asleep & when they where slathered in front of those babies, they left the children laying in their parents blood, the killers deserves a fast and swift punishment, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

What about the wire taping that the Wagners we here doing about the murders to all the way up to summer of 2017 listed in the Wagners court paper work? Who where they listen to ???? JMO

We know that the mother of George's ex wife was being hacked and listened to by the Wagner's through her Facebook. Her Facebook private messages were being read by the Wagners.

I have a feeling the Wagners hacked into her account to not only spy on conversations with Hanna but to also spy on the conversations she likely had with her daughter about her grandson. Spying on the ex wife.

I think the Wagners would have kept their surveillance on her up to May 2017, because, again, they would want to monitor anything said about George's son.

I don't think the Rhodens were the Wagners first "Rodeo" I think the Wagners electronic hacking and surveillance likely started with the custody fight over George's son.

Scheiderer said there are a lot of screen shots of private conversations so it does definitely sound like they were hacking other people's Facebook accounts as well.

Of course Hanna's Facebook was very likely hacked and Dana Rhoden's Facebook comes to mind. They hacked the maternal grandmother of George's son so it seems likely they would have wanted to hack the maternal grandma of Jake's daughter.

Fact from Bond Hearing with speculation.....2 Cents

 

[Betty P]

We know that the mother of George's ex wife was being hacked and listened to by the Wagner's through her Facebook. Her Facebook private messages were being read by the Wagners.

I have a feeling the Wagners hacked into her account to not only spy on conversations with Hanna but to also spy on the conversations she likely had with her daughter about her grandson. Spying on the ex wife.

I think the Wagners would have kept their surveillance on her up to May 2017, because, again, they would want to monitor anything said about George's son.

I don't think the Rhodens were the Wagners first "Rodeo" I think the Wagners electronic hacking and surveillance likely started with the custody fight over George's son.

Scheiderer said there are a lot of screen shots of private conversations so it does definitely sound like they were hacking other people's Facebook accounts as well.

Of course Hanna's Facebook was very likely hacked and Dana Rhoden's Facebook comes to mind. They hacked the maternal grandmother of George's son so it seems likely they would have wanted to hack the maternal grandma of Jake's daughter.

Fact from Bond Hearing with speculation.....2 Cents

I think they may have also hacked into FB messaging accounts of the Manleys, perhaps that was the set up that made LE think James Manley was messaging Jake on the night of the murders.