OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #59

[Johnny B Bad]

It seems very unlikely that she would turn against JW and BW but if she believes there is 'less' proof against GW4 than anyone else in her family then maybe she would go for it.

I have zero idea of how close FW is to the other section of her family.

Maybe she is thinking of who could possibly inherit and control the farm in the future. That is very important to many people. That is her life's work imo.

Is GW4 attorney saying that GW4 saw someone shoot the victims but he didn’t participate in the murders????

 

[Johnny B Bad]

When the BCI Investigator testified at GW4 s bond hearing, he told the court that GW4 made a statement that all the Wagners stayed at 260 Peterson rd all night during the night of the murders and he knew that nobody left the house that night because his bed was facing the entrance door and he would have saw them leave if someone left the night of 4/21/2016

 

[Covert Operative]

She seems healthy. If they submit a deposition instead of calling her to the stand as a witness, she can't be cross examined. No way.

Sounds like they're planning to have her explain how other people are responsible for the Rhoden murders. Would that speculation even be allowed if she testified at trial?

Who is she going to accuse? Isis? Terrorists?

I'm going to see if Prairie Wind is available to answer some questions for us again.

They can call her to the stand if she is available even if they depose her I am pretty sure. I guess he wants her lies in a deposition just in case.

 

[Covert Operative]

She seems healthy. If they submit a deposition instead of calling her to the stand as a witness, she can't be cross examined. No way.

Sounds like they're planning to have her explain how other people are responsible for the Rhoden murders. Would that speculation even be allowed if she testified at trial?

Who is she going to accuse? Isis? Terrorists?

I'm going to see if Prairie Wind is available to answer some questions for us again.

They can call her to the stand if she is available even if they depose her I am pretty sure. I guess he wants her lies in a deposition just in case.

It seems very unlikely that she would turn against JW and BW but if she believes there is 'less' proof against GW4 than anyone else in her family then maybe she would go for it.

I have zero idea of how close FW is to the other section of her family.

Maybe she is thinking of who could possibly inherit and control the farm in the future. That is very important to many people. That is her life's work imo.

I do not think she has to turn on them. She can give whatever material evidence she "has" on his behalf without turning on the others. Just because she may claim to have some info he was not involved would not mean she has info the others were. G4 laywer said in bond hearing that if there was any evidence it was against JW and AW basically, so his lawyers probably would play that card if they can.

 

[Covert Operative]

Is GW4 attorney saying that GW4 saw someone shoot the victims but he didn’t participate in the murders????

I am not sure if they are saying they saw someone else, but I do think he is saying he did not. To him being outside as a watch or helping with things may mean he did not participate and he thinks that is ok.

 

[Covert Operative]

IDK, this has all been unusual. One would think if GW wasn't as involved as the others he would take a plea deal.
From the evidence at his last motion hearing, JMO, he was definitely one of the shooters. Not sure how Fred Wagner's testimony could help him. JMO it seems unlikely she would turn on any of her family.

I do not believe she would turn on her family. If she claims to have info to help G4 it does not mean she has to turn on the others. The info may be specific to him only.

 

[Betty P]

I do not believe she would turn on her family. If she claims to have info to help G4 it does not mean she has to turn on the others. The info may be specific to him only.

That sounds like a very risky and difficult strategy, given the evidence they already have against him. The state already has proof of him lying about the murders, trying to cover up evidence and purchasing some of the parts used for the suppressor.

 

[Covert Operative]

That sounds like a very risky and difficult strategy, given the evidence they already have against him. The state already has proof of him lying about the murders, trying to cover up evidence and purchasing some of the parts used for the suppressor.

I think when you are trying to prevent the DP you try any risk or strategy that you can. I cannot see it working but I can definitely see them trying.

 

[Covert Operative]

G4 Motion 67

 

[Betty P]

G4 Motion 67

Thanks for posting these! My initial reaction is that these arguments are supposed to be made during the trial.

The defense attorneys are still playing their games with the prosecution over demands and arguments about evidence. The state has been managing the prosecution of as many as 6 defendants, 4 of them up on capital charges for the murders of 8 people at 4 different crime scenes. All 4 defense teams have played a game of delaying and demands regarding evidence that keep the prosecution team scrambling and working overtime.

If they want to know which parts of these recordings the state might use against GW4, they should listen for themselves and make their own assessment. All 4 defense teams have had the digital versions of these recordings for nearly a year now. Plenty of time to listen and judge for themselves. It's not rocket science. JMO

New information alert: The recordings include hundreds of hours of conversations between Jake and GW4 while they co-drove their truck for R & L Truck Lines. Other recording is phone conversations between family members.

At some point, investigators did something that allowed them to record the brothers' conversations while they drove their truck.

 

[Cool Cats]

That would be interesting since she said after one of her hearings she did not know who killed them, she did not know them. So I guess she gave GJ names of who BW told her. Now it could be they are gonna try to say something that proves G4 is innocent and then it points to others without lawyer directly naming them. The person/group may be JW/AW,BW but he will not directly say it. They basically said that in his bond hearing anyway without saying it.

@Covert Operative

Thanks for posting the Motions. It saves us literally weeks of speculation as to what they mean. I'm glad you decided to post on this thread.

Your quote:

Now it could be they are gonna try to say something that proves G4 is innocent and then it points to others without lawyer directly naming them. The person/group may be JW/AW,BW but he will not directly say it. They basically said that in his bond hearing anyway without saying it.

I thought the same, that George's lawyer was tossing Jake and Angela under the bus when he said:

"Really your honor, this whole case, if there is a case, and I'm not saying it is, but it's about Edward Jake Wagner and Angela Wagner."

And if Jake is found guilty George's lawyer can really go to town putting it all on Jake.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

G4 Motion 67

If I was CN I would be telling the LE everything they want to know, because it looks like FW and the other Wagner’s are getting ready to set him and Angela up for the Rhodens/Gilley murders, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

If I was CN I would be telling the LE everything they want to know, because it looks like FW and the other Wagner’s are getting ready to set him and Angela up for the Rhodens/Gilley murders, JMO

CN?

Why CN?

Literally zero with a capital Z - motive. Be like trying to frame Billy's brother or LM.

Angela, yes. She looks guilty already and has all the motive.

Shoes, fake custody documents, her laptop with screen shots, her gun(s) were listed on Jake's phone, huge motive.

By gun or guns I mean she knows how to shoot. Whether home that night or not she is accused of killing 8 people and needs to be familiar with guns.

My perspective

 

[Johnny B Bad]

What about all the threats GW4 made towards Law Enforcement???? How will FW explain that when she testified for GW4, JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

CN?

Why CN?

Literally zero with a capital Z - motive. Be like trying to frame Billy's brother or LM.

Angela, yes. She looks guilty already and has all the motive.

Shoes, fake custody documents, her laptop with screen shots, her gun(s) were listed on Jake's phone, huge motive.

By gun or guns I mean she knows how to shoot. Whether home that night or not she is accused of killing 8 people and needs to be familiar with guns.

My perspective

CN in my opinion has already gave evidence to LE, CN told BCI about helping GW4 buy a 40 caliber Glock that might have been used to commit the murders, FW is a real dangerous woman in my mind, if you go against her family you better watch out! LE better have CN &RN in protection custody for their safety, JMO
According to the IHART pod cast FW and AW didn’t get along with each other, if FW is a witness for GW4 it’s going to be a big show to watch, JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

CN in my opinion has already gave evidence to LE, CN told BCI about helping GW4 buy a 40 caliber Glock that might have been used to commit the murders, FW is a real dangerous woman in my mind, if you go against her family you better watch out! LE better have CN &RN in protection custody for their safety, JMO
According to the IHART pod cast FW and AW didn’t get along with each other, if FW is a witness for GW4 it’s going to be a big show to watch, JMO

CN proved George purchased the 40 Glock, he only helped him.

BCI would have contacted the seller to confirm that George had purchased the gun from him/her at the HWY rest stop.

As far as FW going after RN and CN for revenge there is no reason.

RN's Case is all about Angela wanting her to lie that she signed fake custody documents and George himself probably admitted he bought that 40 Glock. How could he not with 2 witnesses present when he bought it?

No reason to take revenge on CN for something George admits to. Also, there is a photo on-line right now showing George with dyed black hair. So CN telling BCI about the hair dye is only something George advertised for himself.

Just my take on it....

PS...The only thing FW cares about at this point is being sued by TR and losing property. She ran immediately to her lawyer the day she was served -- her lawyer was quoted in the media about it.

 

[ColMustard]

Could the defense be trying to depose the "confidential reliable source"? Not sure of the exact wording by AC.

 

[Cool Cats]

Could the defense be trying to depose the "confidential reliable source"? Not sure of the exact wording by AC.

Only if the source is FW. FW is who they want to get a deposition from.
Fred was present for the revenge conversations but I do not believe she is the one who told BCI about it. I do not believe she is the source, there is someone else who in my opinion is a critical witness for the prosecution.

She is testifying for the defense not against.

 

[ColMustard]

Only if the source is FW. FW is who they want to get a deposition from.
Fred was present for the revenge conversations but I do not believe she is the one who told BCI about it. I do not believe she is the source, there is someone else....in my opinion.

She is testifying for the defense not against.

Ok, I missed where they specified FW. Thanks.

 

[Betty P]

CN proved George purchased the 40 Glock, he only helped him.

BCI would have contacted the seller to confirm that George had purchased the gun from him/her at the HWY rest stop.

As far as FW going after RN and CN for revenge there is no reason.

RN's Case is all about Angela wanting her to lie that she signed fake custody documents and George himself probably admitted he bought that 40 Glock. How could he not with 2 witnesses present when he bought it?

No reason to take revenge on CN for something George admits to. Also, there is a photo on-line right now showing George with dyed black hair. So CN telling BCI about the hair dye is only something George advertised for himself.

Just my take on it....

PS...The only thing FW cares about at this point is being sued by TR and losing property. She ran immediately to her lawyer the day she was served -- her lawyer was quoted in the media about it.

Is there a link for CN telling BCI about the hair dye? I also don't recall GW4 admitting that he owned the Glock. The state's information about the Glock came from JW's list he kept on his phone of guns that everyone in the family owned. It was verified by CN telling them about going with GW4 when he bought the gun. I doubt his attorneys allowed him to admit to anything at this point. JMO