GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #67

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Anyone know why they stopped putting out new episodes once Jake confessed? Seems like they just gave up covering the story once it began to get interesting, once more information was revealed. They could have done at least 2 or 3 more podcasts by now, with double or triple the number of listeners.

Does anyone else think this podcast was slightly "pro-Wagner" and stopped covering the story once the confessions began?

JMO

I can't find anything pro Wagner in them. Billy and Jake come out looking bad actually, bad temper, angry, controlling. The only positive thing said is that Angela helped a family out once and a cousin had no bad issues growing up with them.

Just not seeing a pro Wagner angle. If anything, it was noticeable that people speaking about the Wagners refused to give their names but people speaking highly of the Rhodens had no problem giving names.

Some information was wrong. Not true that Frankie's son was hiding under the bed and that 2 Wagners were denied a change of venue.

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Gosh, there has been a recent rash of inmate deaths where Jake is housed in downtown Columbus. The most recent was an accused murderer of 2. He died 12/27 from an "apparent suicide". Umm, okay. Off topic I suppose, but not really IMO. :rolleyes:
 
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I can't find anything pro Wagner in them. Billy and Jake come out looking bad actually, bad temper, angry, controlling. The only positive thing said is that Angela helped a family out once and a cousin had no bad issues growing up with them.

Just not seeing a pro Wagner angle. If anything, it was noticeable that people speaking about the Wagners refused to give their names but people speaking highly of the Rhodens had no problem giving names.

Some information was wrong. Not true that Frankie's son was hiding under the bed and that 2 Wagners were denied a change of venue.

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I listened to a couple of shows and they seemed to spend quite a lot of time talking about other theories of who could have killed the Rhodens and HG. Kind of unusual for a podcast to do that when the real killers had already been arrested. Most of the ideas seemed to be the usual kind in this case - killers who acted because of something that one of the Rhodens did. Blaming victims is always a red flag for me when it comes to this case.

After listening to the first 2 episodes, I took a pass. They tended to engage in a lot of exaggeration and leading listeners on. Kind of amateur-ish, but maybe that's the audience they were targeting. Just odd they stopped covering the story.

JMO
 
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Anyone know why they stopped putting out new episodes once Jake confessed? Seems like they just gave up covering the story once it began to get interesting, once more information was revealed. They could have done at least 2 or 3 more podcasts by now, with double or triple the number of listeners.

Does anyone else think this podcast was slightly "pro-Wagner" and stopped covering the story once the confessions began?

JMO
I didn't feel they were pro-wagoner I found the interviews with Wag family members interesting and felt they were very naïve and possibly in denial. I really liked the part where G4 ex SIL talked about how the JW & G4 always did what AW said. It made think about most kids (especially those from a strict home and domineering parent) always can't wait to move out on their own once they are grown, but those boys didn't the continued to do as AW said and even moved the wife and GF in to be dominated by their mother.
 
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I listened to a couple of shows and they seemed to spend quite a lot of time talking about other theories of who could have killed the Rhodens and HG. Kind of unusual for a podcast to do that when the real killers had already been arrested. Most of the ideas seemed to be the usual kind in this case - killers who acted because of something that one of the Rhodens did. Blaming victims is always a red flag for me when it comes to this case.

After listening to the first 2 episodes, I took a pass. They tended to engage in a lot of exaggeration and leading listeners on. Kind of amateur-ish, but maybe that's the audience they were targeting. Just odd they stopped covering the story.

JMO
I think they stopped podcasting once JW & AW confessed because they are waiting for more specific information to be released once the trials start or we know more details. I did enjoy this podcast even though some details were wrong, I have always been curious what the community of Piketon viewed the Wags before the murders, that is one reason I am looking forward to hearing the evidence of other acts in the trials. I know what the general information is, but I really want to hear the details and evidence. NOT THAT I THINK THEY ARE INNOCENT!
 
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I didn't feel they were pro-wagoner I found the interviews with Wag family members interesting and felt they were very naïve and possibly in denial. I really liked the part where G4 ex SIL talked about how the JW & G4 always did what AW said. It made think about most kids (especially those from a strict home and domineering parent) always can't wait to move out on their own once they are grown, but those boys didn't the continued to do as AW said and even moved the wife and GF in to be dominated by their mother.

Thanks. Interesting.
 
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I think they stopped podcasting once JW & AW confessed because they are waiting for more specific information to be released once the trials start or we know more details. I did enjoy this podcast even though some details were wrong, I have always been curious what the community of Piketon viewed the Wags before the murders, that is one reason I am looking forward to hearing the evidence of other acts in the trials. I know what the general information is, but I really want to hear the details and evidence. NOT THAT I THINK THEY ARE INNOCENT!

I agree, it will be interesting. If they do a follow up broadcast, I'll definitely listen. I also hope we hear more from the community around Piketon about how they felt about the murders, investigation and later indictments. It's been quite a difficult ride for those people.

I can't imagine how terrifying it was for family, friends and neighbors in the weeks and months after the murders. They probably didn't get much sleep. Ms Geneva was quoted in one article about how she couldn't sleep at night.
 
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I agree, it will be interesting. If they do a follow up broadcast, I'll definitely listen. I also hope we hear more from the community around Piketon about how they felt about the murders, investigation and later indictments. It's been quite a difficult ride for those people.

I can't imagine how terrifying it was for family, friends and neighbors in the weeks and months after the murders. They probably didn't get much sleep. Ms Geneva was quoted in one article about how she couldn't sleep at night.
Betty I too would be interesting in how they felt when they first learned of the murders, investigation and finally the arrest. The Rhoden/Gilly/Manley family and friends have my sympathy I am sure the horror and trauma continues to this day.
 
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Little Christmas was found behind his bed shot 4 times in the top of his head, so we know for sure Little Chris could not have been asleep, this is only 1 thing that in my mind that shows GW4 helped kill all 8, (Life With Out Parole), JMO
 
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Betty I too would be interesting in how they felt when they first learned of the murders, investigation and finally the arrest. The Rhoden/Gilly/Manley family and friends have my sympathy I am sure the horror and trauma continues to this day.

Arrests in Ohio murders of Rhoden family don't ease minds of residents in area | wusa9.com
At long last, murder charges bring relief, healing to Pike County
,• Rhoden family massacre: Residents still uneasy even after arrests

Several Pike County residents still feel shaky despite the arrests made in the Rhoden homicides, and despite authorities saying all culprits are accounted for.

“It ain’t solved until someone is convicted,” said Denny Adkins, who owns a town watering hole in Waverly, Denny’s Doghouse.

He and Carol Estep, a bartender, said they never saw any of the Wagners in their establishment, which Adkins has owned since 2002.

Both Estep and Adkins initially expressed fear about their names appearing in a news article.

“I might get killed,” Adkins said.

But they both cited the firearms they keep in their homes as a cause for some sense of safety. Estep lives out in rural Pike County, toward the site of the killings, and was thoroughly “freaked out” when it was first reported.

The Wagners were regarded as a wealthy family by those familiar with them. Some were incredulous that they would risk forfeiting their land and money by committing such heinous crimes.

“We’re not really sure the Wagners did do it,” a Waverly resident named Jim, said. “I don’t see them giving up (their money and land).”

Estep used to shoe miniature horses owned by Billy Wagner’s father in the ‘70s. The elder Wagner showed the horses “all over the world,” Estep said.

Barry Rider, 53, used to work at Hadsell Chemical Processing where the Rhoden trailers were stored. Rider’s son went to high school with Christopher Rhoden Jr.

“I can’t believe it went on two-and-a-half years,” Rider said. Rumors swirled about a drug cartel being responsible. Rider said he always believed the culprits were “local people.”

Rider praised the sheriff but also expressed his wish that “they wouldn’t let them (the Wagners) walk around for … years.”

Rhoden family massacre: Residents still uneasy even after arrests

Casey McCutcheon, a mother who lives in Waverly, said she’s relieved the arrests were made. She lives on a dead-end road, surrounded by relatives, many with concealed carry permits.

Even so, “it was nerve-wracking, to say the least.”

She had hip surgery around the time of the killings, hindering her mobility. That scared her as she pondered who in her area could kill that many people.

But when she heard the Wagners were in a custody battle with the Rhodens, “it was kind of a light bulb (moment).”

“When I heard that last night, a sigh came over me like a ton of bricks lifted off of me,” said Robert Oberdier as he walked to his truck from the Briar Patch convenience store just outside Lucasville.

“When people are out like that, nobody knows where they are,” he said. “You can’t believe anybody, you can’t trust anybody. The community is in a lot better shape right now.”

Bill Harbert, a barber in Waverly, the Pike County seat, said the arrests amounted to “putting a band-aid on an open wound. It’s definitely trying to heal itself now.”

Harbert said his customers have speculated for years about who could have committed a crime so sophisticated it apparently left investigators with few leads. There was a spike in applications for conceal carry permits, he said.

“We feel a little safer now, thinking that they’re off the street, hoping the right people are off the street,” he said. “It’s been scary for the whole community.”

He said the Wagners were known for having a nice farm and real estate, and “nothing really bad was ever said around here about them.”

Morty Throckmorton, manager of the Smart Mart discount store in Piketon, said she didn’t know either family, but the whole community was affected by the crime.

“This put a hurtin’ on this little town,” she said. “You could see people who was scared”

“It’s going to be a scar, but with time it will heal."

At long last, murder charges bring relief, healing to Pike County

Saundra Ford, a co-worker of Dana Rhoden’s, said the community’s attention turned to the Wagners when they moved to Alaska last year.

“The minute they left town everybody started speculating,” she said.


But while the community is feeling relief, it may be a while before they get closure, said Matt Lucas, managing editor of the Pike County News Watchman.

“Everybody kind of wondered if the day would ever come when they would make any arrests,” he said, noting the toll years of legal proceedings could have on the victims’ family and friends.

“The process is just beginning and it’s not over by a long stretch,” he said. “Something has happened. There’s movement on the case. But it’s in the early stages as far as closure.”

Phil Fulton, pastor at Union Hill Church in Adams County, said he was “ecstatic” when he found out about the arrests.

“It was the greatest news we had in two and a half years,” he said.

“Jake was very good friends and was really close to this family until the custody battle came up,” Fulton said. “Why this set them off is the mystery to me.”

The charges, if proven, are shocking, the pastor said:”Why you’d murder eight people because you wanted full custody over a little girl. It just blows my mind.”
 
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Arrests in Ohio murders of Rhoden family don't ease minds of residents in area | wusa9.com
At long last, murder charges bring relief, healing to Pike County
,• Rhoden family massacre: Residents still uneasy even after arrests

Several Pike County residents still feel shaky despite the arrests made in the Rhoden homicides, and despite authorities saying all culprits are accounted for.

“It ain’t solved until someone is convicted,” said Denny Adkins, who owns a town watering hole in Waverly, Denny’s Doghouse.

He and Carol Estep, a bartender, said they never saw any of the Wagners in their establishment, which Adkins has owned since 2002.

Both Estep and Adkins initially expressed fear about their names appearing in a news article.

“I might get killed,” Adkins said.

But they both cited the firearms they keep in their homes as a cause for some sense of safety. Estep lives out in rural Pike County, toward the site of the killings, and was thoroughly “freaked out” when it was first reported.

The Wagners were regarded as a wealthy family by those familiar with them. Some were incredulous that they would risk forfeiting their land and money by committing such heinous crimes.

“We’re not really sure the Wagners did do it,” a Waverly resident named Jim, said. “I don’t see them giving up (their money and land).”

Estep used to shoe miniature horses owned by Billy Wagner’s father in the ‘70s. The elder Wagner showed the horses “all over the world,” Estep said.

Barry Rider, 53, used to work at Hadsell Chemical Processing where the Rhoden trailers were stored. Rider’s son went to high school with Christopher Rhoden Jr.

“I can’t believe it went on two-and-a-half years,” Rider said. Rumors swirled about a drug cartel being responsible. Rider said he always believed the culprits were “local people.”

Rider praised the sheriff but also expressed his wish that “they wouldn’t let them (the Wagners) walk around for … years.”

Rhoden family massacre: Residents still uneasy even after arrests

Casey McCutcheon, a mother who lives in Waverly, said she’s relieved the arrests were made. She lives on a dead-end road, surrounded by relatives, many with concealed carry permits.

Even so, “it was nerve-wracking, to say the least.”

She had hip surgery around the time of the killings, hindering her mobility. That scared her as she pondered who in her area could kill that many people.

But when she heard the Wagners were in a custody battle with the Rhodens, “it was kind of a light bulb (moment).”

“When I heard that last night, a sigh came over me like a ton of bricks lifted off of me,” said Robert Oberdier as he walked to his truck from the Briar Patch convenience store just outside Lucasville.

“When people are out like that, nobody knows where they are,” he said. “You can’t believe anybody, you can’t trust anybody. The community is in a lot better shape right now.”

Bill Harbert, a barber in Waverly, the Pike County seat, said the arrests amounted to “putting a band-aid on an open wound. It’s definitely trying to heal itself now.”

Harbert said his customers have speculated for years about who could have committed a crime so sophisticated it apparently left investigators with few leads. There was a spike in applications for conceal carry permits, he said.

“We feel a little safer now, thinking that they’re off the street, hoping the right people are off the street,” he said. “It’s been scary for the whole community.”

He said the Wagners were known for having a nice farm and real estate, and “nothing really bad was ever said around here about them.”

Morty Throckmorton, manager of the Smart Mart discount store in Piketon, said she didn’t know either family, but the whole community was affected by the crime.

“This put a hurtin’ on this little town,” she said. “You could see people who was scared”

“It’s going to be a scar, but with time it will heal."

At long last, murder charges bring relief, healing to Pike County

Saundra Ford, a co-worker of Dana Rhoden’s, said the community’s attention turned to the Wagners when they moved to Alaska last year.

“The minute they left town everybody started speculating,” she said.


But while the community is feeling relief, it may be a while before they get closure, said Matt Lucas, managing editor of the Pike County News Watchman.

“Everybody kind of wondered if the day would ever come when they would make any arrests,” he said, noting the toll years of legal proceedings could have on the victims’ family and friends.

“The process is just beginning and it’s not over by a long stretch,” he said. “Something has happened. There’s movement on the case. But it’s in the early stages as far as closure.”

Phil Fulton, pastor at Union Hill Church in Adams County, said he was “ecstatic” when he found out about the arrests.

“It was the greatest news we had in two and a half years,” he said.

“Jake was very good friends and was really close to this family until the custody battle came up,” Fulton said. “Why this set them off is the mystery to me.”

The charges, if proven, are shocking, the pastor said:”Why you’d murder eight people because you wanted full custody over a little girl. It just blows my mind.”
Thank you CC, this is very informative and allows a glimpse into the community's thoughts and feelings at the time of the murders to the arrests.
 
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Betty I too would be interesting in how they felt when they first learned of the murders, investigation and finally the arrest. The Rhoden/Gilly/Manley family and friends have my sympathy I am sure the horror and trauma continues to this day.

I was just re-reading this article and a few others. I hope these prosecutions can move forward and the family and friends can find some peace.

Kendra Rhoden: I could have been the ninth victim in Pike Co. family massacre

ETA: Am too busy today to spend much time digging up the old links, but there are plenty back in the early threads here. I encourage everyone to spend some time reviewing them when you have the time.
 
  • #413
Thank you CC, this is very informative and allows a glimpse into the community's thoughts and feelings at the time of the murders to the arrests.

No prob, your welcome.

I get the strong impression that the Wagners really kept to themselves, in over 5 1/2 years I have never seen even one in-depth article on them other than the one about FW's wealth and land contracts.

Just very little over all. Bits and pieces from the pastor or that they stored their vehicles with someone they fixed cars for etc... Or sound bites from Jake's interviews.

I find it highly unusual that there haven't been in-depth articles on the Wagners from people who knew them like a neighbor or friend or someone from church or their relatives to give insight into how the Wagner boys grew up.

I think they isolated themselves basically. Just how it seems to me.
 
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No prob, your welcome.

I get the strong impression that the Wagners really kept to themselves, in over 5 1/2 years I have never seen even one in-depth article on them other than the one about FW's wealth and land contracts.

Just very little over all. Bits and pieces from the pastor or that they stored their vehicles with someone they fixed cars for etc... Or sound bites from Jake's interviews.

I find it highly unusual that there haven't been in-depth articles on the Wagners from people who knew them like a neighbor or friend or someone from church or their relatives to give insight into how the Wagner boys grew up.

I think they isolated themselves basically. Just how it seems to me.

Wagners seem to be very good at controlling what is written about them in the news. They only arrange to have good information published, like FW's feature articles. She does good PR and apparently still has a lot of connections in the news media.

The only others to speak were Jake and Angela, who were both equally adept at manipulating the news media in their favor. JMO, up until they were arrested, most of the Ohio reporters were convinced they were as pure as the driven snow, living "close to the cross".

JMO, some reporters show a glimmer of Team Wagner now and then. I suppose it's hard for some to accept that wealthy people who go to church could ever do anything wrong, like murdering 8 people. Maybe they badly want it to have been a bunch of bloodthirsty killers from a Mexican drug cartel.

JMO

ETA: Many reporters today are probably careful. They don't want to lose their jobs by asking too many questions or providing too much analysis. That happened to a couple of other reporters who reported on the murders.

Interesting to consider how many people working and reporting on the Rhoden Murders ended up losing their jobs. Disturbing, actually. JMO
 
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That's how hung juries happen. It only takes one juror to mess up the works. It's not unheard of and has happened before. That's why there are laws against it. Fortunately, Ohio has laws against it.

jury tampering

Ohio Revised Code

Section 2945.36 - Ohio Revised Code | Ohio Laws

The penalty in Ohio is up to 10 yrs in prison


JMO

That said, the judge may be obliged to seat a jury in Pike County first before a change of venue. IANAL, but in this case, I've always assumed they would try to seat a jury in Pike County first.
Speaking of one juror destroying an entire verdict, just take a look at what is happening now in the Ghislaine Maxwell case. imo
 
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Wagners seem to be very good at controlling what is written about them in the news. They only arrange to have good information published, like FW's feature articles. She does good PR and apparently still has a lot of connections in the news media.

The only others to speak were Jake and Angela, who were both equally adept at manipulating the news media in their favor. JMO, up until they were arrested, most of the Ohio reporters were convinced they were as pure as the driven snow, living "close to the cross".

JMO, some reporters show a glimmer of Team Wagner now and then. I suppose it's hard for some to accept that wealthy people who go to church could ever do anything wrong, like murdering 8 people. Maybe they badly want it to have been a bunch of bloodthirsty killers from a Mexican drug cartel.

JMO

ETA: Many reporters today are probably careful. They don't want to lose their jobs by asking too many questions or providing too much analysis. That happened to a couple of other reporters who reported on the murders.

Interesting to consider how many people working and reporting on the Rhoden Murders ended up losing their jobs. Disturbing, actually. JMO

Jake creepedme right out with his comment about Kylie. Proclaiming he wouldn't ^take her^ if he wasn't father but would demandvisitation. Who saysbtgat.
 
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Thank you CC, this is very informative and allows a glimpse into the community's thoughts and feelings at the time of the murders to the arrests.

Found this:

'How in the world could anybody do this?' Shock after family charged in Rhoden murders

Brian Stephens, another Pike County resident, said growing up his family did work on a Wagner property, and he remembers the family, and being around the property "just seemed off." "They were real sketchy and they just always lashed out on people if they did one thing wrong," he said.

Stephens said he lives on the same road as the Wagner farm, where grandmother Fredericka Wagner was arrested.

"I know people wanted answers and everything and now they finally got some, and so they probably feel relieved, as well still worried," said Sarah Stephens, a Pike County resident.

"I went to school with Dana's dad and I also knew Dana," said a local businesswoman in Peebles, not far from the 2016 crime scenes.

The woman, who asked to remain anonymous, said the impact on the community has been huge. "Everybody you know they talk about it, how in the world could anyone do this? You know, we are a small community everybody kind of pulls together," she said.
 
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Jake creepedme right out with his comment about Kylie. Proclaiming he wouldn't ^take her^ if he wasn't father but would demandvisitation. Who saysbtgat.

Pike County: ‘That’s all we’ve got left. Just those kids.’

And there is nothing Wagner would like more, he said, fondly recalling how he pulled the tiny sock off her litty, bitty foot shortly after she was born on April 17. He was checking for a hammer index toe: A Wagner family trait.

He’s almost sure, he said, that he saw that bend. It’s the hope he holds onto these days.

But if he isn’t Kylie’s dad, and if the courts deem another man suitable to care for her, he will step aside -- at least partially.

“I’m not going to take her,” Wagner said. “But I will want mandatory visitation in order to see her regularly.”
 
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Pike County: ‘That’s all we’ve got left. Just those kids.’

And there is nothing Wagner would like more, he said, fondly recalling how he pulled the tiny sock off her litty, bitty foot shortly after she was born on April 17. He was checking for a hammer index toe: A Wagner family trait.

He’s almost sure, he said, that he saw that bend. It’s the hope he holds onto these days.

But if he isn’t Kylie’s dad, and if the courts deem another man suitable to care for her, he will step aside -- at least partially.

“I’m not going to take her,” Wagner said. “But I will want mandatory visitation in order to see her regularly.”
Thanks coolcats.yes that's the creepiness especially knowing what we do now. Bet Ms graves felt same way. Little peek into sociopathic values
 
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Thanks coolcats.yes that's the creepiness especially knowing what we do now. Bet Ms graves felt same way. Little peek into sociopathic values

According to Canepa at the Bond Hearing Hanna told both Angela and Jake that she was pregnant with CG's baby. That, according to Canepa, there was no question it was CG's baby. According to the Podcast Jake begged to be put on the baby's birth certificate and raise her as his own, offered child support and Angie and Jake even bought a crib.

Thus, Jake knew the baby wasn't his.

I believe 100% that if Jake thought for one second that the baby was his he never would have left her laying in blood - physically neglected with risk of smothering - for 8 hours.

Point is, Jake knew the baby wasn't his so why did he tell Chris Graves that there was a 50/50 chance he was the dad? What was the motive to lie about that?

I think it was to make it look less likely that he was the killer, that a father wouldn't shoot their own newborn's mother on day 4 in bed nursing and then leave the newborn in those dangerous conditions.

So calculatingly evil it's giving me a headache. To counter my headache I think of how he is off the streets for life. He is young so this will likely be a half century for him to be forced to confront his evilness - every day.

If he tries to forget someone will always be there to remind him, inmates and staff both.
 
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