GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #67

[Piffcat]

According to Canepa at the Bond Hearing Hanna told both Angela and Jake that she was pregnant with CG's baby. That, according to Canepa, there was no question it was CG's baby. According to the Podcast Jake begged to be put on the baby's birth certificate and raise her as his own, offered child support and Angie and Jake even bought a crib.

Thus, Jake knew the baby wasn't his.

I believe 100% that if Jake thought for one second that the baby was his he never would have left her laying in blood - physically neglected with risk of smothering - for 8 hours.

Point is, Jake knew the baby wasn't his so why did he tell Chris Graves that there was a 50/50 chance he was the dad? What was the motive to lie about that?

I think it was to make it look less likely that he was the killer, that a father wouldn't shoot their own newborn's mother on day 4 in bed nursing and then leave the newborn in those dangerous conditions.

So calculatingly evil it's giving me a headache. To counter my headache I think of how he is off the streets for life. He is young so this will likely be a half century for him to be forced to confront his evilness - every day.

If he tries to forget someone will always be there to remind him, inmates and staff both.

Yes I agree on Jake's motivation to appear as if everything was cordial with hanna and her family to lower motive. Framed as long term on again off again first love type story. Jake was the victim, someone else(cg) was a homewrecker dividing the 2 sisters. But his delivery and true motives shined thru the "human face" sociopaths wear around others. So self centered and isolated from normal ppl. Using aggressive words such as take, like he was considering it... Angela and jake gave themselves away with their over anxious nervous behavior. Slipping up on time frame and demanding a correction from Ms graves. Filing for custody nearly immediately even though he's!s only parent of sofias and no one else was thinking of that subject weeks after their co parent is brutally murdered. Thank God for their hubris and demented cult group think. It's comforting somewhat to kno those 2 brought themselves down by drastically overestimating their intelligence and underestimating the thousands of good people that would avenge hanna and her family. The word hero gets thrown around alot these days, but everyone who helped bring these creatures down is just that!

 

[Betty P]

Point is, Jake knew the baby wasn't his so why did he tell Chris Graves that there was a 50/50 chance he was the dad? What was the motive to lie about that?

I think it was also to keep reminding himself of his "justification" for murdering all those people and leaving those children without their parents. He had to keep telling himself that he wasn't to blame, that Hanna made him do it. He had to make it sound like she lied to him. She betrayed him.

"She had it coming"
"They all deserved to die"

It was their fault, they made him and his family do it. Maybe it was the only thing that helped keep the nightmares away.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes I agree on Jake's motivation to appear as if everything was cordial with hanna and her family to lower motive. Framed as long term on again off again first love type story. Jake was the victim, someone else(cg) was a homewrecker dividing the 2 sisters. But his delivery and true motives shined thru the "human face" sociopaths wear around others. So self centered and isolated from normal ppl. Using aggressive words such as take, like he was considering it... Angela and jake gave themselves away with their over anxious nervous behavior. Slipping up on time frame and demanding a correction from Ms graves. Filing for custody nearly immediately even though he's!s only parent of sofias and no one else was thinking of that subject weeks after their co parent is brutally murdered. Thank God for their hubris and demented cult group think. It's comforting somewhat to kno those 2 brought themselves down by drastically overestimating their intelligence and underestimating the thousands of good people that would avenge hanna and her family. The word hero gets thrown around alot these days, but everyone who helped bring these creatures down is just that!

Yes, Jake filing so soon for custody shows how much custody was on his and Angela's minds.

And I agree that they didn't realize there would be, as you put it, "thousands of good people that would avenge Hanna and her family."

I believe Angie was overwhelmed at all the great amounts of Rhoden/Gilley social media forums that sprung up over what they had done. Forums everywhere. Angie seemed desperate to change people's minds when she went into a Facebook group to defend her family.

I also think one reason they decided to sell their farm just a couple months after the murders is because BCI parked their big command center vehicle in Waverly and vowed not to leave until the Case was solved. They underestimated LE. Didn't reckon on BCI, thought it would just be local Keystone Cops.

They also spent too much time covering their tracks at the crime scenes and not enough thought into covering up what they were doing before the crimes took place. A whole list of things including online and Walmart and other local purchases, computer searches, fake custody documents, phone list and photo, wanting custody, fighting with Chris Sr., etc...

 

[Johnny B Bad]

CC
I believe the only reason JW bought a crib for the new baby was to check out the new house (making notes where everyone’s bedroom where) how to get around inside and to plant bugs, JMO
All the Wagner’s and half of Piketon new that baby didn’t belong to Jake!

 

[evelezrn]

Thanks for the welcome! I followed this case from afar when it happened and after the arrests, and then I sort of lost track of it. I was writing elsewhere in response to the expectation of fast arrests in the Murdaugh case in South Carolina (the murder of a mother and son of a prominent family) and raised the issue of the Wagners, as a case involving a prominent family that took a few years to produce an arrest. That got me interested in catching up with particulars.

I recalled the business about Angela Wagner essentially wanting to replace her grandchildren's mothers but I did not realize that the young women involved with or married to G4 and Jake were so badly abused, to the point that George's wife ran for her life and gave up custody. The family as a unit is highly pathological, even cult-like. But it's likely, I think, that they were involved in other criminal activities. Mass murder is not usually the starting point of criminal behavior. At any rate, I read large sections of WS threads to catch up on things (including that someone actually MARRIED Jake after Hanna was murdered) and I'm very grateful that you guys have put all this information out there. I was particularly struck by a post made by Sojourn before the arrests in which he/she said that the killers had "hunted" the Rhoden family. That sure turned out to be an excellent deduction. So thank you to all the sleuths following this case.

BBM

The post you refer to by Sojourn was one that struck me and made such an impact. It described how hunters choose, study, watch and stalk their prey. It was SO "dead on" it was almost hauning. I still have it saved to this day. So cool that you remember it too.

 

[Piffcat]

According to Canepa at the Bond Hearing Hanna told both Angela and Jake that she was pregnant with CG's baby. That, according to Canepa, there was no question it was CG's baby. According to the Podcast Jake begged to be put on the baby's birth certificate and raise her as his own, offered child support and Angie and Jake even bought a crib.

Thus, Jake knew the baby wasn't his.

I believe 100% that if Jake thought for one second that the baby was his he never would have left her laying in blood - physically neglected with risk of smothering - for 8 hours.

Point is, Jake knew the baby wasn't his so why did he tell Chris Graves that there was a 50/50 chance he was the dad? What was the motive to lie about that?

I think it was to make it look less likely that he was the killer, that a father wouldn't shoot their own newborn's mother on day 4 in bed nursing and then leave the newborn in those dangerous conditions.

So calculatingly evil it's giving me a headache. To counter my headache I think of how he is off the streets for life. He is young so this will likely be a half century for him to be forced to confront his evilness - every day.

If he tries to forget someone will always be there to remind him, inmates and staff both.

Yes I agree on Jake's motivation to appear as if everything was cordial with hanna and her family to lower motive. Framed as long term on again off again first love type story. Jake was the victim, someone else(cg) was a homewrecker dividing the 2 sisters. But his delivery and true motives shined thru the "human face" sociopaths wear around others. So self centered and isolated from normal ppl. Using aggressive words such as take, like he was considering it... Angela and jake gave themselves away with their over anxious nervous behavior. Slipping up on time frame and demanding a correction from Ms graves. Filing for custody nearly immediately even though he's!s only parent of sofias and no one else was thinking of that subject weeks after their co parent is brutally murdered. Thank God for their hubris and demented cult group think. It's comforting somewhat to kno those 2 brought themselves down by drastically overestimating their intelligence and underestimating the thousands of good people that would avenge hanna and her family. The word hero gets thrown around alot these days, but everyone who helped bring these creatures down is just that!

Yes, Jake filing so soon for custody shows how much custody was on his and Angela's minds.

And I agree that they didn't realize there would be, as you put it, "thousands of good people that would avenge Hanna and her family."

I believe Angie was overwhelmed at all the great amounts of Rhoden/Gilley social media forums that sprung up over what they had done. Forums everywhere. Angie seemed desperate to change people's minds when she went into a Facebook group to defend her family.

I also think one reason they decided to sell their farm just a couple months after the murders is because BCI parked their big command center vehicle in Waverly and vowed not to leave until the Case was solved. They underestimated LE. Didn't reckon on BCI, thought it would just be local Keystone Cops.

They also spent too much time covering their tracks at the crime scenes and not enough thought into covering up what they were doing before the crimes took place. A whole list of things including online and Walmart and other local purchases, computer searches, fake custody documents, phone list and photo, wanting custody, fighting with Chris Sr., etc...

Very good point on mistakes. Imo bily had killed before. He had q simple brute force philosophy on not getting caught- no witnesses no codefendant outside of the clan no physical evidence qt scene alibi from freddie qnd her huge farm. Now jake and g4 have new ideas involving technology. But their not too smart and neglect the most important facet of anonymity. Also the easiest showing their lack of smarts. No burner phones VPN online pre paid orders with drop addresses. Just let it all hangout culminating with a list of guns on his personal phone! Angie in Walmart g4 on highway buying glock angie selling excursion. Reminds me of Poland on horses with napoleon charges in ww1 lol

 

[Betty P]

Yes I agree on Jake's motivation to appear as if everything was cordial with hanna and her family to lower motive. Framed as long term on again off again first love type story. Jake was the victim, someone else(cg) was a homewrecker dividing the 2 sisters. But his delivery and true motives shined thru the "human face" sociopaths wear around others. So self centered and isolated from normal ppl. Using aggressive words such as take, like he was considering it... Angela and jake gave themselves away with their over anxious nervous behavior. Slipping up on time frame and demanding a correction from Ms graves. Filing for custody nearly immediately even though he's!s only parent of sofias and no one else was thinking of that subject weeks after their co parent is brutally murdered. Thank God for their hubris and demented cult group think. It's comforting somewhat to kno those 2 brought themselves down by drastically overestimating their intelligence and underestimating the thousands of good people that would avenge hanna and her family. The word hero gets thrown around alot these days, but everyone who helped bring these creatures down is just that!


Very good point on mistakes. Imo bily had killed before. He had q simple brute force philosophy on not getting caught- no witnesses no codefendant outside of the clan no physical evidence qt scene alibi from freddie qnd her huge farm. Now jake and g4 have new ideas involving technology. But their not too smart and neglect the most important facet of anonymity. Also the easiest showing their lack of smarts. No burner phones VPN online pre paid orders with drop addresses. Just let it all hangout culminating with a list of guns on his personal phone! Angie in Walmart g4 on highway buying glock angie selling excursion. Reminds me of Poland on horses with napoleon charges in ww1 lol

Agree, they were confident because they had committed serious crimes before. They had gotten away with it before, they expected they would again.

They had a lot of influece with LE, prosecutors and the courts. Look at how quickly Jake was able to get custody of S. Diligent reporters lost their jobs, a state AG nearly derailed the case, etc. JMO

The Wagners seem arrogant and careless in retrospect, but they had reason to be. They'd gotten away with crimes before, they came very close to getting away with murdering 8 people. Who knows? Some of them still may get by with it. Look at the recent trial of Ghislaine Maxwell. Its now on its way to a mistrial due to conflicts over jury selection and impartiality.

JMO

 

[Piffcat]

Agree, they were confident because they had committed serious crimes before. They had gotten away with it before, they expected they would again.

They had a lot of influece with LE, prosecutors and the courts. Look at how quickly Jake was able to get custody of S. Diligent reporters lost their jobs, a state AG nearly derailed the case, etc. JMO

The Wagners seem arrogant and careless in retrospect, but they had reason to be. They'd gotten away with crimes before, they came very close to getting away with murdering 8 people. Who knows? Some of them still may get by with it. Look at the recent trial of Ghislaine Maxwell. Its now on its way to a mistrial due to conflicts over jury selection and impartiality.

JMO

So true. The current evidentiary standard isn't beyond reasonable doubt rather beyond any and all doubt!. Totally skewed in favor of violent people and the lawyers who get wealthy by assisting and teaching them to kill with impunity. For this reason the death penalty is all but ceremonial in most states. I believe that many killers feel 20 years may be worth the risk to satisfy their urge to kill an enemy. Narcissists however do fear death as it will take the only thing they deem important ie life. Political theory aside the weight of the dp on a killers strategy once arrested can't be ignored. In my state a brutal triple murder arsonist was just convicted and sentenced to life(we don't have dp). A brother and sister murdered a young man In a drug deal gone wrong then proceeded to enter his families home kill mother father and dog steal all Christmas presents and burned the house to the ground. A crime on par with this massacre. In order to secure a conviction the sister was given a deal for 40 years, she'll be 65 when she gets out. The brother was convicted after a brutally detailed trial where the family shared a courtroom with the murderer for a month. Even though a conviction was secured the surviving family members did not see it as justice. Both murderers will be in jail with tv internet exercise plenty of things to fill their days. A point was made that solitary confinement without these privileges would feel more like justice and I agree. Listening to the ppl who live with the aftermath like Tony and Geneva should be given much more consideration

 

[Cool Cats]

PressReader.com - Digital Newspaper & Magazine

• The Columbus Dispatch

Rhoden case still mired in court
Family still awaits trial for suspects in 8 deaths

• The Columbus Dispatch
• 4 Jan 2022
• Holly Zachariah

Geneva Rhoden sat in the front row of a Pike County courtroom on Dec. 22 and spent her 2,070th day waiting for justice.

April 22 will mark six years since the Rhoden family homicides and yet with the calendar flipped to 2022, the criminal cases against those charged with the eight killings are still mired in the court system, wending their way slowly to some eventual end. When that will come, however, is still anyone’s guess.

But a former Franklin County prosecutor, who during his more than 17-year tenure in office tried more than 50 first-degree murder or aggravated murder cases before juries, said the amount of time ticking off the clock here is not surprising.

“Here is this massive case that gets all this national publicity, but the process for prosecuting it and defending it is the same as with any other case: You put it together in the same methodical way,” said Mike Miller.

“These big cases are not easy. They’re complicated,” he said. “But they’re doable.”

Sometimes, Miller said, the passage of time can be to a defendant’s advantage. But likely not here. “Anger and emotion tend to decrease as time goes on. But that’s not going to happen here when you have eight victims,” he said. “People who don’t even know anyone in this case will forever be incensed by this. These emotions don’t lessen.”

 

[Cool Cats]

Agree, they were confident because they had committed serious crimes before. They had gotten away with it before, they expected they would again.

They had a lot of influece with LE, prosecutors and the courts. Look at how quickly Jake was able to get custody of S. Diligent reporters lost their jobs, a state AG nearly derailed the case, etc. JMO

The Wagners seem arrogant and careless in retrospect, but they had reason to be. They'd gotten away with crimes before, they came very close to getting away with murdering 8 people. Who knows? Some of them still may get by with it. Look at the recent trial of Ghislaine Maxwell. Its now on its way to a mistrial due to conflicts over jury selection and impartiality.

JMO

George and Billy are not going to get away with their heinous crimes, Pike County Prosecutors and Judge won't let that happen, and especially the jury when it gets the mountains of evidence and witness testimony.

From article I just posted:

Sometimes, Miller said, the passage of time can be to a defendant’s advantage. But likely not here. “Anger and emotion tend to decrease as time goes on.

But that’s not going to happen here when you have eight victims,” he said. “People who don’t even know anyone in this case will forever be incensed by this. These emotions don’t lessen.”

 

[Betty P]

PressReader.com - Digital Newspaper & Magazine

• The Columbus Dispatch

Rhoden case still mired in court
Family still awaits trial for suspects in 8 deaths

• The Columbus Dispatch
• 4 Jan 2022
• Holly Zachariah

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Geneva Rhoden sat in the front row of a Pike County courtroom on Dec. 22 and spent her 2,070th day waiting for justice.

April 22 will mark six years since the Rhoden family homicides and yet with the calendar flipped to 2022, the criminal cases against those charged with the eight killings are still mired in the court system, wending their way slowly to some eventual end. When that will come, however, is still anyone’s guess.

But a former Franklin County prosecutor, who during his more than 17-year tenure in office tried more than 50 first-degree murder or aggravated murder cases before juries, said the amount of time ticking off the clock here is not surprising.

“Here is this massive case that gets all this national publicity, but the process for prosecuting it and defending it is the same as with any other case: You put it together in the same methodical way,” said Mike Miller.

“These big cases are not easy. They’re complicated,” he said. “But they’re doable.”

Sometimes, Miller said, the passage of time can be to a defendant’s advantage. But likely not here. “Anger and emotion tend to decrease as time goes on. But that’s not going to happen here when you have eight victims,” he said. “People who don’t even know anyone in this case will forever be incensed by this. These emotions don’t lessen.”

JMO, the passage of so much time in this case may still work in favor of these defendants, especially if delays involve more allocation of state money to cover the ongoing expenses. In a twisted way, JMO, some defense attorneys may see running out the clock as their safest option.

Anyone who follows cases here on WS knows justice is sometimes not served, despite public outrage, confessions and overwhelming evidence. Average citizens today have little power to influence that process. If this case goes sideways, it will be hard to assign blame. The Ohio news media will do as they usually do - shrug and stop covering the murders.

There are a lot of buried scandals in SE Ohio and the elder Wagners know what they are. JMO one of the most important priorities right now is to keep Jake Wagner safe so he can testify at the trials of his co-conspirators.

As for the former prosecutor quoted in the article, I've no doubt he feels passionately about past murders that have gone unpunished, but Ohio has many, many murder victims that have not received justice.

 

[Cool Cats]

JMO, the passage of so much time in this case may still work in favor of these defendants, especially if delays involve more allocation of state money to cover the ongoing expenses. In a twisted way, JMO, some defense attorneys may see running out the clock as their safest option.

Anyone who follows cases here on WS knows justice is sometimes not served, despite public outrage, confessions and overwhelming evidence. Average citizens today have little power to influence that process. If this case goes sideways, it will be hard to assign blame. The Ohio news media will do as they usually do - shrug and stop covering the murders.

There are a lot of buried scandals in SE Ohio and the elder Wagners know what they are. JMO one of the most important priorities right now is to keep Jake Wagner safe so he can testify at the trials of his co-conspirators.

As for the former prosecutor quoted in the article, I've no doubt he feels passionately about past murders that have gone unpunished, but Ohio has many, many murder victims that have not received justice.

Nothing is going to work "in favor of these 4 defendants."

There is no "running out the clock" as Billy found out when he tried and failed to restart it.

The clock is set for George's trial to start in less than 3 months.

Yes cases miss out on justice but this won't be one of them.

An award from State Attorney General Dave Yost was given specifically for the work done on the Rhoden-Gilley Case.

BCI was involved in the ceremony thanking a huge long list of people who worked the case.

The Attorney General would look bad if this Case "went sideways" and he would never let that happen because it is such a prominent Case, considered the biggest one for BCI.

Rhoden Murder Task Force honored at Law Enforcement Conference

COLUMBUS- Following five years of investigation, the Pike County Rhoden Murder Task Force received honors during the annual annual Law Enforcement Conference held on Tuesday.

The task force, composed of members from the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation, the Ohio Attorney General's Office, and local officials, received the Distinguished Law Enforcement Group Achievement Award from state Attorney General Dave Yost.

Pike County Prosecutor Robert Junk, member of the Rhoden Murder Task Force, was one of the individuals honored with the Distinguished Law Enforcement Group Achievement Award for the group's work over the past five years.

Members of the task force include:

Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation

• Special Agent Ryan Scheiderer (lead agent)
• Special Agent Supervisor Kevin Barbeau
• Special Agent Jennifer Comisford
• Special Agent Supervisor Roger Davis
• Forensic Scientist Suzanne Elliott
• Criminal Intelligence Analyst Julia Eveslage
• Criminal Intelligence Supervisor Dana Forney
• Special Agent Todd Fortner
• Special Agent James Gore
• Special Agent Shane Hanshaw
• Special Agent Chadwick Holcomb
• Special Agent Jonathan Jenkins
• Special Agent Supervisor William Jones
• Forensic Accountant Michael Kaizar
• Victim Advocate Cindy Kuhr
• Criminal Intelligence Analyst Jennifer Lester
• Special Agent James Mulford
• Special Agent Perry Roeser
• Special Agent Supervisor Justin Root
• DNA Lab Director Kristen Slaper
• Special Agent Richard Ward
• Forensic Scientist Matthew White

Formerly of BCI/Attorney General’s Office

• Special Agent Stephfon Daniels
• Special Agent Scott Fitch
• Special Agent Seth Hagaman
• Assistant Superintendent Karen Huey
• Special Agent Cornelius McGrady
• Computer Forensic Analyst Jonathan Robbins
• Superintendent Thomas Stickrath
• Special Agent-in-Charge Benjamin Suver
• Special Agent Supervisor Michael Trout
• Special Agent Bryan White
• Deputy Attorney General for Law Enforcement Stephen Schumaker

Local Sheriff’s Offices

• Maj. Alan Lewis (co-lead investigator) — Ross County, formerly of Pike County
• Maj. Timothy Dickerson — formerly of Pike County

Prosecution

• Lead Prosecutor Angie Canepa
• Pike County Prosecutor Robert Junk
• Assistant Prosecutor Andy Wilson

 

[Betty P]

Nothing is going to work "in favor of these 4 defendants."

There is no "running out the clock" as Billy found out when he tried and failed to restart it.

The clock is set for George's trial to start in less than 3 months.

Yes cases miss out on justice but this won't be one of them.

An award from State Attorney General Dave Yost was given specifically for the work done on the Rhoden-Gilley Case.

BCI was involved in the ceremony thanking a huge long list of people who worked the case.

The Attorney General would look bad if this Case "went sideways" and he would never let that happen because it is such a prominent Case, considered the biggest one for BCI.

Rhoden Murder Task Force honored at Law Enforcement Conference

COLUMBUS- Following five years of investigation, the Pike County Rhoden Murder Task Force received honors during the annual annual Law Enforcement Conference held on Tuesday.

The task force, composed of members from the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation, the Ohio Attorney General's Office, and local officials, received the Distinguished Law Enforcement Group Achievement Award from state Attorney General Dave Yost.

Pike County Prosecutor Robert Junk, member of the Rhoden Murder Task Force, was one of the individuals honored with the Distinguished Law Enforcement Group Achievement Award for the group's work over the past five years.

Members of the task force include:

Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation

• Special Agent Ryan Scheiderer (lead agent)
• Special Agent Supervisor Kevin Barbeau
• Special Agent Jennifer Comisford
• Special Agent Supervisor Roger Davis
• Forensic Scientist Suzanne Elliott
• Criminal Intelligence Analyst Julia Eveslage
• Criminal Intelligence Supervisor Dana Forney
• Special Agent Todd Fortner
• Special Agent James Gore
• Special Agent Shane Hanshaw
• Special Agent Chadwick Holcomb
• Special Agent Jonathan Jenkins
• Special Agent Supervisor William Jones
• Forensic Accountant Michael Kaizar
• Victim Advocate Cindy Kuhr
• Criminal Intelligence Analyst Jennifer Lester
• Special Agent James Mulford
• Special Agent Perry Roeser
• Special Agent Supervisor Justin Root
• DNA Lab Director Kristen Slaper
• Special Agent Richard Ward
• Forensic Scientist Matthew White

Formerly of BCI/Attorney General’s Office

• Special Agent Stephfon Daniels
• Special Agent Scott Fitch
• Special Agent Seth Hagaman
• Assistant Superintendent Karen Huey
• Special Agent Cornelius McGrady
• Computer Forensic Analyst Jonathan Robbins
• Superintendent Thomas Stickrath
• Special Agent-in-Charge Benjamin Suver
• Special Agent Supervisor Michael Trout
• Special Agent Bryan White
• Deputy Attorney General for Law Enforcement Stephen Schumaker

Local Sheriff’s Offices

• Maj. Alan Lewis (co-lead investigator) — Ross County, formerly of Pike County
• Maj. Timothy Dickerson — formerly of Pike County

Prosecution

• Lead Prosecutor Angie Canepa
• Pike County Prosecutor Robert Junk
• Assistant Prosecutor Andy Wilson

Yes, I know all this, but am still skeptical. If the defense attorneys for GW4 and/or GW3 can get a mistrial or a hung jury, and the Ohio General Assembly refuses to pony up cash for new trials, it could be problematic.

At least for GW3's attorneys, that seems to be the goal. Politicians in this state have survived worse public uproar without harm to their careers to reputations. It's easy to point the finger at the Ohio GA - a group of 132 members. Most people don't even know who their state rep or state senator is. Works great.

It's more effective to apply pressure now, than to go back and try to fix things if they go sideways.

You have to know how Ohio government works to understand they are notoriously cheap about this kind of budget item. But building a private bar in the basement of the capitol building is different.

Drinks on the House? Ohio Statehouse considers bar


JMO YMMV

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, I know all this, but am still skeptical. If the defense attorneys for GW4 and/or GW3 can get a mistrial or a hung jury, and the Ohio General Assembly refuses to pony up cash for new trials, it could be problematic.

At least for GW3's attorneys, that seems to be the goal. Politicians in this state have survived worse public uproar without harm to their careers to reputations. It's easy to point the finger at the Ohio GA - a group of 132 members. Most people don't even know who their state rep or state senator is. Works great.

It's more effective to apply pressure now, than to go back and try to fix things if they go sideways.

You have to know how Ohio government works to understand they are notoriously cheap about this kind of budget item. But building a private bar in the basement of the capitol building is different.

Drinks on the House? Ohio Statehouse considers bar


JMO YMMV

There are 22 charges in this Case, what would be the definition of a mistrial/hung jury in this Case?

I do not believe that the jury would get "hung up" on all 22 charges. Hung up on a few maybe, but no, not all 22.

Like 5 million to one they would get hung up on all 22 charges.

Out of the 22 charges I see enough evidence to - at the bare minimum - convince a jury George is guilty of murder and the conspiracy to commit the murders.

1.) Prosecution won't say he didn't shoot anyone, they infer he did and no doubt in my mind they have the evidence to back this up.
2.) Angie's testimony places George at the crime scenes.
3.) Jake's testimony places George at the crime scenes because Canepa said Angie's testimony matches Jake's.
4.) Extremely large amount of evidence.

"... Deering said it was his understanding some four terabytes of information still needed to be delivered by the prosecution to Angela Wagner’s defense team. As previously noted by the Daily Times, one terabyte of information is enough to hold 500 hours worth of movies.."

Wagner IV’s jury trial delayed - Portsmouth Daily Times

5.) 8,000 surveillance recordings of interest to the Case were done by BCI with George Wagner running his mouth and making incriminating statements in many of them. (Scheiderer Bond Hearing.)
6.) Other Acts Evidence showing George's predilection to committing crime and abusing his ex wife for custody purposes.
7.) George threatening revenge on Scheiderer, DeWine, Reader, others who go against them, and including smashing Scheiderer's face in and breaking family members out of jail.
8.) George bought a Glock.
9.) George bought a night scope.
10.) George bought a mask.
11.) George does everything with Jake. Lives his entire life hand in hand with his brother.
12.) The bloody shoe prints tie him directly to the murders at Chris Sr's.
13.) Angie's shoe testimony and shoe print expert's testimony will tie him smack dab into the middle of the murder scenes.

 

[Betty P]

There are 22 charges in this Case, what would be the definition of a mistrial/hung jury in this Case?

I do not believe that the jury would get "hung up" on all 22 charges. Hung up on a few maybe, but no, not all 22.

Like 5 million to one they would get hung up on all 22 charges.

Out of the 22 charges I see enough evidence to - at the bare minimum - convince a jury George is guilty of murder and the conspiracy to commit the murders.

1.) Prosecution won't say he didn't shoot anyone, they infer he did.
2.) Angie's testimony places George at the crime scenes.
3.) Jake's testimony places George at the crime scenes because Canepa said Angie's testimony matches Jake's.
4.) Extremely large amount of evidence.

"... Deering said it was his understanding some four terabytes of information still needed to be delivered by the prosecution to Angela Wagner’s defense team. As previously noted by the Daily Times, one terabyte of information is enough to hold 500 hours worth of movies.."

Wagner IV’s jury trial delayed - Portsmouth Daily Times

5.) 8,000 surveillance recordings of interest to the Case were done by BCI with George Wagner running his mouth in many of them.
6.) Other Acts Evidence.

I'm sure they're hoping for some kind of technicality that would derail a trial. If its a mistrial, it kills the whole trial and they have to begin again with a new one, regardless of charges and evidence. IANAL and I don't think its a good idea to publicly discuss a lot of theories on how the defense might do this. It could involve evidence or it could involve jury members.

Here's a horrible example. Somehow, someone slipped files of inadmissible evidence into a stack of papers given to jurors. Legal briefs they weren't supposed to see. Mistrial.

Mistrial declared in murder trial of Simone Biles’ brother

Another example of how a mistake resulted in a mistrial

Ohio Supreme Court vacates conviction, death sentence for man who pleaded guilty to killing North Royalton woman and her two daughters

As for a "hung jury", it only takes one juror and the number of charges isn't necessarily a deterrent.

 

[Cool Cats]

I'm sure they're hoping for some kind of technicality that would derail a trial. If its a mistrial, it kills the whole trial and they have to begin again with a new one, regardless of charges and evidence. IANAL and I don't think its a good idea to publicly discuss a lot of theories on how the defense might do this. It could involve evidence or it could involve jury members.

Here's a horrible example. Somehow, someone slipped files of inadmissible evidence into a stack of papers given to jurors. Legal briefs they weren't supposed to see. Mistrial.

Mistrial declared in murder trial of Simone Biles’ brother

Another example of how a mistake resulted in a mistrial

Ohio Supreme Court vacates conviction, death sentence for man who pleaded guilty to killing North Royalton woman and her two daughters

As for a "hung jury", it only takes one juror and the number of charges isn't necessarily a deterrent.

I think George will be convicted of murder at his trial for all the many reasons I gave.

I believe both Billy and George will get LWOP.

A S-Load of reasons.

A jury will do this:

Justice.

 

[Betty P]

I think George will be convicted of murder at his trial for all the many reasons I gave.

I believe both Billy and George will get LWOP.

A S-Load of reasons.

A jury will do this:

Justice.

I hope so. It's what we all want.

 

[sunshineray]

CC or Betty, What's the start date for GW4's trial? And is GW3's preliminary stuff almost done? TIA

 

[Cool Cats]

CC or Betty, What's the start date for GW4's trial? And is GW3's preliminary stuff almost done? TIA

George:

04/04/2022 08:30 AM JURY TRIAL

Billy:

02/01/2022 01:30 PM PRE-TRIAL

Billy's preliminary stuff is far from done:

Motion 42 - DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE REQUESTING A PRETRIAL DAUBERT HEARING TO DETERMINE THE ADMISSIBILITY OF BALLISTICS EVIDENCE AND OPINIONS

Motion 43 - DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE REQUESTING A PRETRIAL DAUBERT HEARING TO DETERMINE THE ADMISSIBILITY OF SHOEPRINT EVIDENCE AND OPINIONS

Motion 44 - MOTION TO REVOKE ANDREW WILSON'S APPOINTMENT AS SPECIAL PROSECUTING ATTORNEY

Motion 45 - DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE REQUESTING A PRETRIAL EVIDENTIARY HEARING TO DETERMINE THE ADMISSIBILITY OF ANY NON-TESTIFYING CO-DEFENDANT STATEMENTS THE STATE INTENDS TO PRESENT IN ITS CASE IN CHIEF

Motion 46 - DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR AN ORDER REQUIRING THE PROSECUTION TO PROVIDE A TRANSCRIPT OF AUDIO RECORDINGS TO INTRODUCE AT TRIAL

Motion 47 - DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR AN ORDER COMPELLING THE STATE OF OHIO TO PROVIDE THE DEFENDANT WITH ALL FORENSIC EXPERT REPORTS AND UNDERLYING DATA The Court further finds that on February 22, 2021, the State of Ohio filed a NOTICE OF INTENT TO USE OTHER ACTS EVIDENCE PURSUANT TO 404(B). The Court further finds that on February 25, 2021, the Defendant filed the following motion:

Motion 48 - DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO COMPEL THE PROSECUTION TO PROVIDE TRANSCRIPTS OF AUDIO RECORDINGS IT INTENDS TO INTRODUCE AT TRIAL. It appears to the Court finds that MOTION 48, is similar to MOTION 46, filed with the Court on December 23, 2020. The Court further finds that on March 10, 2021, the Defendant filed the following motion:

Motion 49 (as re-designated). DEFENDANT'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO PRECLUDE OTHER ACTS EVIDENCE

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We don't know if he will take a plea or go to trial. The last thing that happened with him is he lost getting the DP off the table.

I think Billy's attorneys will be watching George's trial like a hawk, waiting to see how it goes. If it goes bad then maybe they can talk him into a plea.

 

[Berrybell]

Found this:

'How in the world could anybody do this?' Shock after family charged in Rhoden murders

Brian Stephens, another Pike County resident, said growing up his family did work on a Wagner property, and he remembers the family, and being around the property "just seemed off." "They were real sketchy and they just always lashed out on people if they did one thing wrong," he said.

Stephens said he lives on the same road as the Wagner farm, where grandmother Fredericka Wagner was arrested.

"I know people wanted answers and everything and now they finally got some, and so they probably feel relieved, as well still worried," said Sarah Stephens, a Pike County resident.

"I went to school with Dana's dad and I also knew Dana," said a local businesswoman in Peebles, not far from the 2016 crime scenes.

The woman, who asked to remain anonymous, said the impact on the community has been huge. "Everybody you know they talk about it, how in the world could anyone do this? You know, we are a small community everybody kind of pulls together," she said.

Thank you CC for the articles it is good to see what the community has and is saying. As a true crime addict I can never understand the why, how could anyone ever think this is a good idea. How does someone become this evil and as a mother I will never understand AW encouraging her sons.