GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #68

[Betty P]

George Wagner to return to Pike County court for a motions hearing

"Most of the arguments were over grand jury transcripts and witness information both sides.

The defense wants transcripts to find out if anyone testified that George Wagner shot any of the victims. Jake Wagner has reportedly said he didn't. However, special prosecutor Angie Canepa said they're not conceding that George wasn't a shooter. She also reminded the court that even if he wasn't, anyone who participants in the planning can still be charged with the murders."
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So, no, it doesn't sound like the state concedes that GW4 wasn't a shooter.

They also went back and forth over witness discovery. The defense said the prosecution needs to whittle down its witness list from 350, knowing it's unlikely they'll all be called.​

 

[joe jones]

Thanks for the update. Just now checked, looks like I missed it. What exactly did they say?

they were going over motions, defense wanted grand jury transcript made, state pushed back on that motion, defense wanted to know what evidence state had when they charged George with murder, as defense stated George murdered no one, state initially said we do not accept George didn't murder anybody, but later appeared to concede like AW he is not one of the killers but he is equally culpable as the killers (assume the killers to be JW and BW) under the complicity charges, so even if he didn't kill anybody he bears as much guilt and therefor the murder charges against him stand and he will be tried on them on (not verbatim)

state wants defense discovery, state still has a witness list of 350, defense had previously asked them to see if that list would be shortened and to get the new list, their was back and forth over discovery, judge said he would rule on motions at a later date

August court date still seems to be set for trial to start, I think George looked tired and out of sorts,

 

[Betty P]

they were going over motions, defense wanted grand jury transcript made, state pushed back on that motion, defense wanted to know what evidence state had when they charged George with murder, as defense stated George murdered no one, state initially said we do not accept George didn't murder anybody, but later appeared to concede like AW he is not one of the killers but he is equally culpable as the killers (assume the killers to be JW and BW) under the complicity charges, so even if he didn't kill anybody he bears as much guilt and therefor the murder charges against him stand and he will be tried on them on (not verbatim)

state wants defense discovery, state still has a witness list of 350, defense had previously asked them to see if that list would be shortened and to get the new list, their was back and forth over discovery, judge said he would rule on motions at a later date

August court date still seems to be set for trial to start, I think George looked tired and out of sorts,

Thanks! LOL at GW4's defense attorneys asking the prosecution to give them all the evidence they had in a pre-trial hearing. What GW4's defense lacks in skill, they make up for in effrontery. JMO

 

[altojack]

I'll have to wait and see if today's event appears somewhere as I only went and missed it! No excuse, I was at home all day, hadn't seen the paper, didn't check my diary and didn't realise today was the 7th! First I've missed.

 

[Piffcat]

i wonder who is gaslighting who between g4 and his criminal attorney. this snails pace and endless unheard motions fall squarely on judge deering imo. i shudder to think what the trial will look like if he cant even adjudicate a pre trial hearing these motions and requests are ridiculous. what is this a choose your own path book?? it doesnt make any difference what evidence they had at arrests and since none of the accused participated in grand jury who is he expecting to testify about g4s shooting stats? in my opinion giving angela a deal is the only threat to this case. jake gave them everything they were missing. angela the schemer clearly pulled an okie doke on prosecution. she wasnt at the scene and yet somehow she is coorborating g4 not shooting anyone? giving her 30 years has given so much ammo to g4s criminal lawyer and they gained nothing from it. she is not a reliable witness. however i still have full confidence g4 will be convicted on all charges, these defense attorneys are too close to this case they seem to have lost on bearing on humanity. the jury will despise g4 just as much as we do. i just hate that mr manley didnt live to see this and i pray ms geneva does. that would be the ultimate betrayl of justice. g4 is placed at the scene of the most heinous acts imaginable, and we dont even know the full extent!! i dont even want to see the autopsies anymore its all just so sad and wrong. seeing g4s anger on display for the jury before and after will hopefully make it all worth it. i also think they should have tried g3 first

 

[Covert Operative]

I'll have to wait and see if today's event appears somewhere as I only went and missed it! No excuse, I was at home all day, hadn't seen the paper, didn't check my diary and didn't realise today was the 7th! First I've missed.

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[Cool Cats]

I'll have to wait and see if today's event appears somewhere as I only went and missed it! No excuse, I was at home all day, hadn't seen the paper, didn't check my diary and didn't realise today was the 7th! First I've missed.

You can see today's complete Hearing in this article:

Pike County murder lawyers spar over accessing grand jury testimony, witnesses, evidence

 

[Dudly]

Is it just me or does anyone else think G4 looks like he's almost falling asleep?

JMO

I think he was trying to block out what he was hearing…

 

[altojack]

You can see today's complete Hearing in this article:

Pike County murder lawyers spar over accessing grand jury testimony, witnesses, evidence

You are a star ! What would I do with out your help. Thank you.

 

[Dudly]

George Wagner to return to Pike County court for a motions hearing

"Most of the arguments were over grand jury transcripts and witness information both sides.

The defense wants transcripts to find out if anyone testified that George Wagner shot any of the victims. Jake Wagner has reportedly said he didn't. However, special prosecutor Angie Canepa said they're not conceding that George wasn't a shooter. She also reminded the court that even if he wasn't, anyone who participants in the planning can still be charged with the murders."
​

So, no, it doesn't sound like the state concedes that GW4 wasn't a shooter.

They also went back and forth over witness discovery. The defense said the prosecution needs to whittle down its witness list from 350, knowing it's unlikely they'll all be called.​

AC did not concede that GWIV was not a shooter, but, they apparently do not have proof that he was….

 

[Cool Cats]

George's defense lawyer Parker:

Judge, to return an indictment, as everyone is aware, you have to have probable cause as to each element so where was the probable cause that George was a shooter? What did the Grand Jury hear that he was the shooter? And that's what you need to have him indicted as a principal offender.

We are not disputing that they can proceed under aiding and abetting or complicity, we're not disputing that but what did the Grand Jury have that said George was a shooter? Because we've got no evidence that he was a shooter and Jacob specifically said he shot nobody. So what did the Grand Jury have?

Canepa:

And your honor again, you can indict anybody under complicity as the principal offender at the time of indictment. The Complicity Statute says it. And that's exactly what we did as to each and every count in the indictment.

So there was no evidence of who shot who for any of these individuals. So again, again, they know that very well. In particular, with the - you know - death specifications that are on this where with prior calculation and design if he's not the principal offender if there was prior calculation and design the State can proceed against him.

And as this court knows this was months of planning that the defendant and his family members participated again. So again, the idea that he was indicted as the shooter is not an accurate reflection of what occurred. Thank you judge.

 

[Betty P]

AC did not concede that GWIV was not a shooter, but, they apparently do not have proof that he was….

Not sure what that means, but ok. GW4s attorneys engage in all manner of gaslighting and magical thinking. All in order to get as much bad information out to the public as possible while dragging out the process. Their antics in the courtroom will work against them as the jury and public become disgusted with the lies.

They don't need GJ testimony unless they're planning to intimidate the members who voted to charge them and slow down the process as much as possible. Imagine nitpicking over GJ proceedings when your evidence is all over every crime scene and cars, you're on video, cell phone calls, etc. planning, carrying out and covering up the murders. GW3 & 4 are toast, as they deserve to be.

 

[LMDlong]

I think he was trying to block out what he was hearing…

He looked kinda wiped out. Instead of his normal short attitude on his responses he was weary. IMO

 

[Cool Cats]

He looked kinda wiped out. Instead of his normal short attitude on his responses he was weary. IMO

Probably weary from hearing this from Parker:

"We are not disputing that they can proceed under aiding and abetting or complicity, we're not disputing that."

 

[Caylee Advocate]

AC did not concede that GWIV was not a shooter, but, they apparently do not have proof that he was….

I agree. I smell a plea deal being offered... similar to the one AW got. JMO

 

[IType]

I agree. I smell a plea deal being offered... similar to the one AW got. JMO

I wouldn't be surprised if a deal similar to AW's is the end result of GW4's case, but I personally would be a whole lot more satisfied if his was for 50 years since he was present when the murders happened. JMO

 

[NWLady]

He looked kinda wiped out. Instead of his normal short attitude on his responses he was weary. IMO

Maybe he stayed up too late reading his Bible?

 

[almond]

Thanks for sharing the video, CC. I missed the hearing! I might have done that subconsciously, I can't stand watching Boy George's lawyers. The gaslighting activates the ptsd.
What has stuck with me is the fact that there are 350 witnesses for the prosecution. That's a whole lot of witnesses! Any idea who all they are, besides the experts that were called in? Inmates? Locals?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

GW4 better take the what ever deal has been offered to him, JMO

 

[Betty P]

I agree. I smell a plea deal being offered... similar to the one AW got. JMO

No, more likely it will be LWOP. AW didn't ride along. She wasn't present when the murders took place.

Billy and GW4 were both there and pulled a trigger. Three different weapons were used to kell the victims. GW4s attorneys aren't disputing the ballistic evidence anymore.

Then again, maybe they should go to trial and end up with the DP.

Miserable, murderous devils.

ETA: Both killers attorneys must be very worried about trying their cases in front of juries. Once the prosecution lays out the evidence and details of the horrific murders, the jurors will be shocked and appalled at the indiscriminate, savage cruelty of these murders. Once they've heard and seen the details, they can't "unsee" them. The lack of remorse and compassion by the killers will seal their fate.

No jury will acquit, nor will they show mercy.