GUILTY OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #68

[Ann99]

Thank you Ann99!

YW!
Someone will correct me if wrong, but I don't think the actual proffers are available to us.

 

[IType]

Sling shot could not be used in murders.
Order wasn't shipped from private seller until after FW made payment on 5-7-16. Murders were on April 21 and April 22.

She bought other items from this seller at the same time totalling $379.99.
Slingshot was $43.42

Motion to Dismiss Fredericka Wagner Charges

From what I recall Canepa saying, the drug deal was totally fake.

ok thanks

 

[Cool Cats]

BBM

Rhoden case: New details emerge as judge rules George Wagner IV to stand trial in Pike County

Judge Randy Deering on Monday denied a request to change the venue for the upcoming aggravated murder trial of 30-year-old George Wagner IV.

news.yahoo.com

The prosecutors also referred to an incident a few weeks before the murders that Local 12 had reported on previously in which family members claimed Billy Wagner and Christopher Rhoden had been in a physical fight.

Thank you so much for supplying this link. I am trying to brush up on the facts by reading all the MSM/court documents and watching court hearings in the media/timeline before the actual trial begins (assuming George does not take a plea and goes to trial). I realize I am being a bother but I missed a lot in the last few months.

Your research skills are excellent. Thank you for your hard work.

JMO

 

[IType]

Once again I am going to ask for a link to this alleged physical fight between Chris and Billy. I cannot find it mentioned in any MSM, court documents or hearings. If anyone has a link to this "Chris beat Billy" fight I would like to read or hear it myself.

TIA

JMO

Quote from news article:
The prosecutors also referred to an incident a few weeks before the murders that Local 12 had reported on previously in which family members claimed Billy Wagner and Christopher Rhoden had been in a physical fight. (BBM)

Link:

AG withdraws from Rhoden case, new details about Wagner-Rhoden relationship revealed

WAVERLY, Ohio (WKRC) – The Ohio Attorney General’s Office has withdrawn from the prosecution team for the Rhoden homicide cases and an attorney from the governor’s office has joined the prosecution team. New court documents filed Monday also discuss a soured relationship between the Wagner and...

local12.com

 

[Cool Cats]

Rhoden case: New details emerge as judge rules George Wagner IV to stand trial in Pike County

Judge Randy Deering on Monday denied a request to change the venue for the upcoming aggravated murder trial of 30-year-old George Wagner IV.

news.yahoo.com

This helps. Brush up on the details

 

[Cool Cats]

This helps. Brush up on the details

RAISINISBACK

 

[IType]

Thank you so very much Tiff3fr you are a sweetheart and I very much appreciate what the mods do on here.

So it appears Billy did in fact pull a gun on Chris per Other Acts Evidence.

BBM
Note: it doesn’t state who may have beat whom (if that occurred) or any details beyond ”threatening with a gun”.

I am still confused as to where the "physical fight where Chris beat Billy up" is coming from though. Can anyone confirm that actually happened with a link? Sorry to be so much trouble and admitting I may have missed the MSM article/court document/court hearing where it was mentioned.

TIA

I posted a link a couple minutes ago without reading farther down the page. It appears CO posted the same reference and link to a physical fight between BW and CRSR that I just posted.

I honestly don't know, though, if there is any clear detail available anywhere of who "won" or if comments that CRSR "won" has just been an assumption. JMO

 

[IType]

YW!
Someone will correct me if wrong, but I don't think the actual proffers are available to us.

Correct, proffers not available at this time.

But, sunshineray, links to JW's and AW's confession hearings may be posted in the media and timeline thread. Some details of the proffers were given by the prosecution in both of those hearings.

link to media and timeline thread:

OH - 8 Family Members Murdered, Pike Co., Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*

These documents may have posted out of order. The actual pdf file are too large to upload on websleuths forum. Here’s are the saved documents in order: Dropbox - George4 discovery .pdf - Simplify your life Dropbox - jake discovery.pdf - Simplify your life Thank you, Mittens.

www.websleuths.com

 

[sunshineray]

Once again I am going to ask for a link to this alleged physical fight between Chris and Billy. I cannot find it mentioned in any MSM, court documents or hearings. If anyone has a link to this "Chris beat Billy" fight I would like to read or hear it myself.

TIA

JMO

"Also Monday, a hearing on a request for a reasonable bail was postponed for Jake Wagner’s father, Billy. Billy Wagner had filed a motion requesting a reasonable bail be set last week, claiming none of the evidence in the case ties him to the murders. Wagner’s attorneys wrote that he and Chris Rhoden Sr. were best friends and referred to one another as “brother.”

However, in a response to Wagner’s request, prosecutors wrote that the evidence proves the Wagners committed the murders. And, while the Wagners and the Rhodens had been close at one time, the relationship had soured. The prosecutors wrote that messages from Hanna Rhoden to other family members discussed violence she had endured from Jake Wagner. The prosecutors also referred to an incident a few weeks before the murders that Local 12 had reported on previously in which family members claimed Billy Wagner and Christopher Rhoden had been in a physical fight."

AG withdraws from Rhoden case, new details about Wagner-Rhoden relationship revealed

WAVERLY, Ohio (WKRC) – The Ohio Attorney General’s Office has withdrawn from the prosecution team for the Rhoden homicide cases and an attorney from the governor’s office has joined the prosecution team. New court documents filed Monday also discuss a soured relationship between the Wagner and...

www.google.com

 

[sunshineray]

I posted a link a couple minutes ago without reading farther down the page. It appears CO posted the same reference and link to a physical fight between BW and CRSR that I just posted.

I honestly don't know, though, if there is any clear detail available anywhere of who "won" or if comments that CRSR "won" has just been an assumption. JMO

And I just did the same, oops

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Quote from news article:
The prosecutors also referred to an incident a few weeks before the murders that Local 12 had reported on previously in which family members claimed Billy Wagner and Christopher Rhoden had been in a physical fight. (BBM)

Link:

AG withdraws from Rhoden case, new details about Wagner-Rhoden relationship revealed

WAVERLY, Ohio (WKRC) – The Ohio Attorney General’s Office has withdrawn from the prosecution team for the Rhoden homicide cases and an attorney from the governor’s office has joined the prosecution team. New court documents filed Monday also discuss a soured relationship between the Wagner and...

local12.com

Thank you very much. I appreciate all that mods and other posters do on here to help me.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

RAISINISBACK

You are a sweetie!!! Thank you so for all your help CC.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I posted a link a couple minutes ago without reading farther down the page. It appears CO posted the same reference and link to a physical fight between BW and CRSR that I just posted.

I honestly don't know, though, if there is any clear detail available anywhere of who "won" or if comments that CRSR "won" has just been an assumption. JMO

I didn't find any clarification on who won either, but it does appear there was a physical altercation between the two and a gun was pulled by Billy who pointed it at Chris.

I feel that this altercation between Billy and Chris in the week prior is a very important piece of evidence and we will hear much about it, most certainly in Billy's trial (if he goes to trial), but also in George's. This is why I wanted to read it myself for clarification.

I do think it will go to intent, as far as showing animosity if it comes up in George's trial. I think AC might say since George's dad was in this fight with Chris and as AC said at the last hearing the family is one unit and "all for one and one for all" that this animosity Billy had toward Chris would also carry over to George.

This is an assumption on my part of course since we have no way of knowing what the content of AC's rebuttal of the "no intent" defense will be.

Thank you all for your immense help to me.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

And I just did the same, oops

Could this be classified as a "party foul"? lol Thank you so much for your help.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

One thing I have been thinking a lot about is FW's actions after she bonded out. Someone please correct me if I am wrong (my memory is nowhere in the vicinity it used to be) but if I remember correctly the only one that FW made an effort to talk to their attorneys (other than Billy's) was George. I do remember her in the first hearings going up to talk to George's attorneys after the hearings but I do not remember her ever making an effort to speak to Jake or Angie's attorneys after any of their hearings. Since this occurred right after the arrests and before Jake's guilty plea it makes me wonder how many details, if any, FW was privy to.

If she was indeed privy to any details, (I am making a huge assumption here that she was) does anyone think it might be possible that the reason she made the effort to speak with George's attorneys is she was told that George did not kill anyone so therefore viewed him as being less guilty than Jake or Angie?

JMO

 

[Piffcat]

missed this the first time around... beth kept a journal of her time with the wagners.. nightmare fuel im sure
Canepa said the woman Jake met and married while in Alaska became a concern to the Wagner family, and she even kept a journal about their controlling nature.

Rhoden case: New details emerge as judge rules George Wagner IV to stand trial in Pike County

Judge Randy Deering on Monday denied a request to change the venue for the upcoming aggravated murder trial of 30-year-old George Wagner IV.

www.dispatch.com

 

[IType]

One thing I have been thinking a lot about is FW's actions after she bonded out. Someone please correct me if I am wrong (my memory is nowhere in the vicinity it used to be) but if I remember correctly the only one that FW made an effort to talk to their attorneys (other than Billy's) was George. I do remember her in the first hearings going up to talk to George's attorneys after the hearings but I do not remember her ever making an effort to speak to Jake or Angie's attorneys after any of their hearings. Since this occurred right after the arrests and before Jake's guilty plea it makes me wonder how many details, if any, FW was privy to.

If she was indeed privy to any details, (I am making a huge assumption here that she was) does anyone think it might be possible that the reason she made the effort to speak with George's attorneys is she was told that George did not kill anyone so therefore viewed him as being less guilty than Jake or Angie?

JMO

GW4 is the only person I have seen FW try to make contact with while in the courtroom. She has been present for some of the hearings for the other three W4 but I've not seen her make contact while in the room. Actually, I think I recall an earlier GW4 hearing after FW's charges were dismissed where it looked like she was trying to make eye contact with him (possibly even tried to tap the chair rail in front of her to get his attention?) when he came into the courtroom, but he just turned his eyes toward the floor and continued walking to his chair. Don't have a link, so consider it JMO.

I also recall--and I think it was possibly at GW4's arraignment--BW's sister speaking to one of GW4's attorneys and asking him to let GW4 know that his grandma was sending him her love (paraphrasing). It was caught on camera, don't recall exactly if it was before hearing or after.

Also, GW4 is the only one of the W4 that FW has tried to be sure she had testimony for on record via deposition in case she passed away before trial. Of course, that motion was dropped by GW4's defense team after AW's confession. After JW's confession, I also believe FW was the driving force behind GW4's team trying to get JW's proffer disallowed because JW suffered a head injury as a child and couldn't be trusted to tell the truth. Well, FW sure has dropped out of sight and kept plenty quiet since AW's confession--whether completely truthful or not--since it corroborates JW's story.

I've always been of the opinion that FW favored GW4 because she wanted him acquitted in order to take over her farm when she and her daughter are no longer able to run things. You make a good point as to her actions on GW4's behalf possibly being due to her believing he didn't kill anyone so therefore he isn't guilty. My only thought there is, AW allegedly wasn't present when the murders were committed so didn't kill anyone, either. Why didn't FW extend the same efforts on AW's behalf that she did for GW4?

All JMO

 

[Piffcat]

I doubt fw and g4 situation was emotional rather a cold calculation. G4 had the best chance of the Wagner bloodline to escape prosecution. She wanted to be practical and efficient with her financial and political support. Imo she put all the eggs in the g4 basket make sure her evil legacy lived on to the next generation, who we now know we're already being groomed for life in this sadistic felonious thieving cult known as the Wagner crime family. I wish I could have been in the room when she learned of jw deal!Altho fw may have escaped prosecution its comforting to know the land mine that exploded her prideful ignorance and evil... isis remember? Lol

 

[Chris_p_bacon]

GW4 is the only person I have seen FW try to make contact with while in the courtroom. She has been present for some of the hearings for the other three W4 but I've not seen her make contact while in the room. Actually, I think I recall an earlier GW4 hearing after FW's charges were dismissed where it looked like she was trying to make eye contact with him (possibly even tried to tap the chair rail in front of her to get his attention?) when he came into the courtroom, but he just turned his eyes toward the floor and continued walking to his chair. Don't have a link, so consider it JMO.

I also recall--and I think it was possibly at GW4's arraignment--BW's sister speaking to one of GW4's attorneys and asking him to let GW4 know that his grandma was sending him her love (paraphrasing). It was caught on camera, don't recall exactly if it was before hearing or after.

Also, GW4 is the only one of the W4 that FW has tried to be sure she had testimony for on record via deposition in case she passed away before trial. Of course, that motion was dropped by GW4's defense team after AW's confession. After JW's confession, I also believe FW was the driving force behind GW4's team trying to get JW's proffer disallowed because JW suffered a head injury as a child and couldn't be trusted to tell the truth. Well, FW sure has dropped out of sight and kept plenty quiet since AW's confession--whether completely truthful or not--since it corroborates JW's story.

I've always been of the opinion that FW favored GW4 because she wanted him acquitted in order to take over her farm when she and her daughter are no longer able to run things. You make a good point as to her actions on GW4's behalf possibly being due to her believing he didn't kill anyone so therefore he isn't guilty. My only thought there is, AW allegedly wasn't present when the murders were committed so didn't kill anyone, either. Why didn't FW extend the same efforts on AW's behalf that she did for GW4?

All JMO

I think FW favored GW4 just because of that #4 at the end of his name. Being the 4th tells me he is the fourth generation of men with the same name. Normally given to the first born male in that generation. And in each generation the first born is normally pampered/favored and given special treatment, more so if they share the same name as their father. Because of that GW4 was propably favored by FW over any other grandchild and he could do no wrong. Including participating in murder. She was probably eying him to take over the family farm long before the murders.

 

[sunshineray]

GW4 is the only person I have seen FW try to make contact with while in the courtroom. She has been present for some of the hearings for the other three W4 but I've not seen her make contact while in the room. Actually, I think I recall an earlier GW4 hearing after FW's charges were dismissed where it looked like she was trying to make eye contact with him (possibly even tried to tap the chair rail in front of her to get his attention?) when he came into the courtroom, but he just turned his eyes toward the floor and continued walking to his chair. Don't have a link, so consider it JMO.

I also recall--and I think it was possibly at GW4's arraignment--BW's sister speaking to one of GW4's attorneys and asking him to let GW4 know that his grandma was sending him her love (paraphrasing). It was caught on camera, don't recall exactly if it was before hearing or after.

Also, GW4 is the only one of the W4 that FW has tried to be sure she had testimony for on record via deposition in case she passed away before trial. Of course, that motion was dropped by GW4's defense team after AW's confession. After JW's confession, I also believe FW was the driving force behind GW4's team trying to get JW's proffer disallowed because JW suffered a head injury as a child and couldn't be trusted to tell the truth. Well, FW sure has dropped out of sight and kept plenty quiet since AW's confession--whether completely truthful or not--since it corroborates JW's story.

I've always been of the opinion that FW favored GW4 because she wanted him acquitted in order to take over her farm when she and her daughter are no longer able to run things. You make a good point as to her actions on GW4's behalf possibly being due to her believing he didn't kill anyone so therefore he isn't guilty. My only thought there is, AW allegedly wasn't present when the murders were committed so didn't kill anyone, either. Why didn't FW extend the same efforts on AW's behalf that she did for GW4?

All JMO

She sure did defended JW in that interview she did after the arrests. The one where she was in her kitchen, IIRC, and had her Bible sitting in the table in front of her.