OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #69

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  • #461
@Cool Cats - it is also in my posts when he has a hearing -

Trial set to begin on 8/29/22 with general voir dire for the jury, opening statements, evidence, etc. (Trial is scheduled for 30 days).
7/5/22
through 7/8/22 & 7/11/22 through 7/15/22, beginning each day at 9am - completion of jury questionnaires by summoned prospective jurors.
8/8/22 through 8/12/22 - each day beginning at 9am - individual voir dire.
8/15/22 through 8/19/22 - each day beginning at 9am - individual voir dire.
8/29/22 at 9am - beginning of trial, including general voir dire for the jury, opening statements, evidence & so forth. The jury trial is scheduled for 30 days.

:)
Thanks!!!
 
  • #462
Did the investigators find a 7.62 slug or a casing to match that type of round at the scene?
I don't think CRSR or Gary was hit with a 7.62. A miss from GWIV on the first shot could have
triggered the larger massacre.
What do you mean a miss, could have triggered the larger massacre of the other 6? I think they had already planned to kill them. I do think a miss or not actually shooting when suppose to could have caused plans to go wrong at CRsr really fast.
Perhaps the shot actually hit the door, or somewhere else from outside, if there was one from outside. Sounds like there probably may have been.
Could be possible G4 could or would not take that shot when needed and JW grabbed that gun and used it to try to hit CRsr outside or near the door, or at least JW may tell it that way. I tend to think he will.
 
  • #463
Three guns, Three bullets at the scene equals 3 shooters.
So GWIV "didn't shoot anybody" could be true. He just missed.
Shooting but missing during a mass murder spree cannot be excused.

My conjecture about a miss by GWIV was that when he missed it started a longer, louder
confrontation at CRSR's trailer. The shooters might have feared that Frankie heard or saw something.
<modsnip>. They might have also feared that Frankie could have called Kenny or Dana as well. A miss by GWIV in a situation like this might well have triggered a wider clean-up.
 
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Three guns, Three bullets at the scene equals 3 shooters.
So GWIV "didn't shoot anybody" could be true. He just missed.
Shooting but missing during a mass murder spree cannot be excused.

My conjecture about a miss by GWIV was that when he missed it started a longer, louder
confrontation at CRSR's trailer. The shooters might have feared that Frankie heard or saw something.
Especially since the light and TV were on. They might have also feared that Frankie could have called Kenny or Dana as well. A miss by GWIV in a situation like this might well have triggered a wider clean-up.
Gotcha, I do not think JW is going say or did say it was 3 that actually took a shot. I could see how JW could claim there may only be two shooters now that I know they were going to shoot from outside but it does equal 3 guns. If it comes out G4 shot, he will probably say he missed on purpose.
I thought it was pretty strange to try to shoot from outside if GR was inside or with FR being kind of near by. Would be risky to do, but they seemed not to mind risk.
I feel they may not have realized Gary was inside and may have realized it when BW saw him inside.
They did say in the May 2nd hearing that the W's practiced shots (not sure when they did it or where) from inside to see if you could hear them from outside, how far away you could hear a shot etc. Do not remember exact words but the May 2nd hearing seems worth listening to a 2nd time.
Did not know the light and TV were on at FR.
I think HR was the main target. I do think they would want to kill the men first in case anyone at DR house might be able to get a call out to them. Now, it does not seem they went intending to shoot CRsr 9 times if they were gonna kill him outside, but it escalated.
 
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You are correct. Something went wrong at CRSR'S house. With this bunch, Shooting from ambush seems like what they would do. It could explain the bullet hole in the door. Gary could have been the wild card in the deck.
 
  • #466
You are correct. Something went wrong at CRSR'S house. With this bunch, Shooting from ambush seems like what they would do. It could explain the bullet hole in the door. Gary could have been the wild card in the deck.
Did not know there was a bullet hole in the door either. Was that in some articles or in some information? Probably something BJM failed to mention in her interview I guess, if she saw it.
 
  • #467
Still can't access the Pike County court site - last 2 days have come up with this message:

Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.

We can’t connect to the server at www.pikecountycpcourt.org.

:(

Hopefully it is NOT one of the court sites that disappear on me.... maybe they changed their web link? Anyone else - can you get in?
 
  • #468
Still can't access the Pike County court site - last 2 days have come up with this message:

Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.

We can’t connect to the server at www.pikecountycpcourt.org.

:(

Hopefully it is NOT one of the court sites that disappear on me.... maybe they changed their web link? Anyone else - can you get in?
Niner, looks like you’ve got extra letters in that address.
cp - ?
 
  • #469
Still can't access the Pike County court site - last 2 days have come up with this message:

Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.

We can’t connect to the server at www.pikecountycpcourt.org.

:(

Hopefully it is NOT one of the court sites that disappear on me.... maybe they changed their web link? Anyone else - can you get in?

The site is definitely down.

Monday is a Holiday here and the courthouse will be closed. If on Tuesday the Court Site is still down I am calling the Court Clerk to ask her about it and see if I can find out the issue.

With these 2 months being the selection of jury service and the defense wanting a change of venue, its's a bad time for the site to go down. We really need that site. I think it is just a technical issue and they will soon get it up and running.

They need the site to work so I doubt it will stay down too long. Will post what I can find out.

There are a few times I have called the Court Clerk before (general questions) and was able to easily reach her.

Of course this happens on a Holiday 3-4 day weekend!

Happy 4th of July to my favorite Websleuthers!

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The site is definitely down.

Monday is a Holiday here and the courthouse will be closed. If on Tuesday the Court Site is still down I am calling the Court Clerk to ask her about it and see if I can find out the issue.

With these 2 months being the selection of jury service and the defense wanting a change of venue, its's a bad time for the site to go down. We really need that site. I think it is just a technical issue and they will soon get it up and running.

They need the site to work so I doubt it will stay down too long. Will post what I can find out.

There are a few times I have called the Court Clerk before (general questions) and was able to easily reach her.

Of course this happens on a Holiday 3-4 day weekend!

Happy 4th of July to my favorite Websleuthers!
The lawyer probably filed so many motions that it crashed their site. Ha
 
  • #471
The lawyer probably filed so many motions that it crashed their site. Ha

I need some humor ... HA!

Over 90 Motions so far. Alot seem to be filed to see "what sticks."
 
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  • #473
Maybe having his wrists and feet shackled would cause less anxiety? Just trying to think of other alternatives, ya know.
 
  • #474
Maybe having his wrists and feet shackled would cause less anxiety? Just trying to think of other alternatives, ya know.
Like a leash and choker chain??? lol
 
  • #475

Jury selection this month, I wonder about a change of venue. Luckily Judge Deering will try to seat this jury in Pike County which is standard in Ohio courts.

Change of venue in Wagner murder trial …

Rhoden case: New details emerge as judge …

Change of venue in Wagner murder trial denied by Pike County Judge​

Rhoden case: New details emerge as judge rules George Wagner IV to stand trial in Pike County​


Prosecutor Angie Canepa said the evidence will show the Wagners decided together in their kitchen to kill the Rhoden family. Canepa painted a picture of the Wagners as a controlling, insular family unit.

Defense attorney John Parker said:

“This is obviously one of the highest-profile cases in the history of this community. It was a 2 and a half year investigation. There were news conferences held by the Attorney General, by the local sheriff, different members of law enforcement, updating the community on the status of the investigation."

“This was subject to great social media discussion in the community. Every pre-trial, including this one is broadcast live on the internet. It’s garnered tremendous media attention. It is our position a jury couldn’t be selected here that is fair to our client given all the publicity and notoriety of this case,” said Parker.

The defense learned for the first time in talking recently with a jury commissioner that there is a very low turnout rate in Pike County.

“Approximately 20-25 percent turnout is typical of those summonsed for jury duty. That is simply not acceptable if we are going to have a fair cross-section of the community. And when you factor in how notorious this case is and if you combine with how turnout. Of course we don’t know until people show up or don’t show up,” said Parker.

Judge Randy Deering denied the request for a change of venue but said “it remains to be seen whether or not we can seat a jury.”
Conspiracy. Conspiracy is what the jury will find him guilty of on all counts. LWOP.
My useless 2 cents.
 
  • #476
Conspiracy. Conspiracy is what the jury will find him guilty of on all counts. LWOP.
My useless 2 cents.
Not useless at all CIA.

Your right it really is all about George being involved with the Conspiracy and that involves all 22 Counts. Of course he will end up with LWOP because he went along on the 8 murders and is also guilty of the Conspiracy.

I just think his trial is a huge waste of time and money but I am glad we will hopefully get the answers as to who shot Chris, Gary and Kenny, and why did they shoot Kenny? And how did they get into the other houses?
For starters.

Count #9 Conspiracy - a felony of the first degree.
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Pike County Court site is mostly on line. so I looked thru some of the records, just for fun. In the records it shows Billy and his trouble with the boot plant. Looks like the plantiff's did not show up. Skated, no fine even. The rest of the cases regarding Billy had to do with rent payments, evictions and illegal custody.
It is apparent that Bad Billy was the rent collector/enforcer for Fred's land contract and rental business.
A feller his size might convince an old lady to pay up.
 
  • #478
conspiracy is a comforting thought, under the law the distinction between murder and participating in a murder conspiracy both bring equal punishment. however.. its a slippery slope to go down with the jury as a primary argument. it invites jury nullification by insinuating g4 is somehow less culpable. its also a domino effect, is someone decides g4 was not involved in the conspiracy it negates nearly everything. im not saying that will happen or that i believe that.

but the prosecution cant let up dont even entertain the whole g4 didnt kill but was there. no one will ever know for sure who killed who because the witnesses were all slaughtered. all we have is unreliable psychotic narrators who will lie about anything for less culpability in these murders. imo one of the main if not only reasons jake pled out was to save george with him and angelas stupid story. if this case was federal i doubt angela would have got a deal, it was an efficiency thing. which whatever, if it helps put g4 and b3 under the jail great. im hoping angela gave up some other crimes/conspiracies on billy, because i just cant understand her value as a witness if she wasnt there. state already had ample evidence of her involvment in the planning execution of conspiracy, its hard to see what she adds that jake couldnt give.

ultimately the wagners were somewhat correct about the lack of resources. it has been difficult to even get g4 on trial. imagine 4 of these circuses. ive said it before, but as much as i hate jake and he ruined all these peoples lives, his confession is the best thing the case could have ever hoped for. imagine if the wagners were still gaslighting the victims with their bs denials and slimy motions.... g4 had the least reason or motivation to kill. imo this makes him just as bad if not worse then the others. it was not emotional for him. he enjoyed it. made him feel like a real bad 🤬🤬🤬 to murder helpless women sleeping with their kids. frankie was only 19 crjr was not the only kid killed here. all 3 of the rhoden children couldnt even get a drink legally yet. i know when i was 19 i thought i was 29 but actually more like 12. frankies larger size can lead to seeing him as an adult but he had a whole life in front of him. imo g4 and frankie were actually friends during jake and hannas relationship judging from pictures ive seen. g4 should take whatever deal is offered. a jury will despise him
 
  • #479
Are they still working on seating jury/questionnaires tomorrow?
 
  • #480
Well - I can not access the court site this morning - but will go ahead & post this - so I can shorten up a bit.

Tuesday, July 5th:
*Jury Selection begins (@ 9am ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) and a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) – for *George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 30) (Jakes’ bro) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/28/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Per Jake’s plea agreement, DP is off the table if his testimony is truthful.
Trial set to begin on 8/29/22 with general voir dire for the jury, opening statements, evidence, etc. (Trial is scheduled for 30 days).
7/5/22
through 7/8/22 & 7/11/22 through 7/15/22, beginning each day at 9am - completion of jury questionnaires by summoned prospective jurors.
8/8/22 through 8/12/22 - each day beginning at 9am - individual voir dire.
8/15/22 through 8/19/22 - each day beginning at 9am - individual voir dire.
8/29/22 at 9am - beginning of trial, including general voir dire for the jury, opening statements, evidence & so forth. The jury trial is scheduled for 30 days.

Crime info & court hearings from 11/28/18 thru 6/10/22 reference post #284 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-69.623311/page-15

6/17/22: Return from Adams Co. Sheriff-subpoena served to Lee Pertuset, Adams Co. engineer on 6/15/22. Warrant for removal from Montgomery Co. jail on 6/21/22 for hearing. Motions hearing on 6/21/22. 6/21/22: Memorandum Contra: Defendant's motion for an Order requiring an exhibit list prior to trial filed by DA Robert Junk. 6/21/22: Memorandum Contra: Defendants motion to suppress testimony of jail house informed filed by DA Robert Junk. 6/21/22: Motion #96: Motion in Limine on the admissibility of statements in violation of the hearsay rule filed by defense attorney John Parker. Motion #97: Defendant's motion to permit accused to appear without restraints at all proceedings filed by defense attorney John Parker.
6/21/22 Update: Judge will discuss motions #80, 85, 92 & 93. Motion #80: The defense for Wagner IV argued that the court should suppress the testimony of his brother, Jake Wagner, & his mother, Angela Wagner. The argument to suppress their testimony, specifically Jake’s, was built on the 6th Amendment, Wagner IV’s lawyers explained. According to his defense, a good cross-examination of Jake by their side could make him change his story. The defense said if they did a good job with the cross exam, it would hinder their ability to represent their client, thus going against the 6th Amendment, the defense said. The judge, after hearing the defense’s side & the prosecution’s counter, denied the motion (#80). The judge’s ruling now paves the way for both Jake & Angela to take the stand. Motion #85: Motion to dismiss: Defense says murders were not in Pike County. Counts 6 murder of Dana, Scioto County, 7 murder of Hannah, Scioto County, 8 murder of Chris Jr, Scioto County, 9 aggravated murder, Adams County, 13 aggravated burglary, Scioto County, 18 forgery, Adams County, 19 unauthorized use of property, Adams County, 20 interception of wire, oral & electronic communication, Adams County & 21 obstructing justice, Adams County. If State amends indictment Judge will denied motion by defense to dismiss those charges. DA will respond to defense #87 (to adhere to the Ohio statutory scheme for jury service) by Friday, 6/24/22 & on #89 (for an Order requiring an exhibit list prior to trial) State to submit a written argument. The deadline to file pretrial motions & the exchange of lists of experts is 7/6/22. #90 (in camera hearing; it is about JW ex & her location/contact) - did contact Supreme Court & a judge has been appointed to hear the in camera hearing. Motion #91 (to extend deadline to 6/12/22)-granted & #95 withdrawn by defense. Motion #94 (transcripts to be paid by State)-granted. DA responded to #92 (to dismiss death specifics) Judge wants written arguments & #93 (to suppress testimony of jailhouse informant) also written arguments to be filed. Defense & DA have prepared jury questionnaire & Judge waiting to see those.
6/22/22: Motions #8 thru #10: overruled & denied, no ruling on #11, Motions #12 thru #15: overruled & denied, Motions #19, #21 & #22: granted, Motions #23 & #24: overruled & denied, Motions #25 thru #29: granted, Motion #30: granted in part & denied in part, Motion #31: overruled & denied, Motion #32: granted in part & denied in part, Motions #33 thru #42: overruled & denied, Motion #43: granted in part & denied in part, Motions #44 thru #48: overruled & denied, Motion #49: granted, and Motions #50 thru #52: overruled & denied.
See post #364 here for rulings on Motions 8 thru 52:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-69.623311/page-19
6/24/22: Defendant's notice of supplemental reciprocal discovery filed by John Parker.

6/28/22: Journal entries: Defendant's Motion #80: Motion to suppress testimony of Jake & Angela & to dismiss the death specifications-overruled & denied. Defendant's Motion #85: Motion to dismiss-overruled & denied. Defendant's Motion #87: Motion to adhere to the Ohio statutory scheme for jury service-will be decided by the Court without further hearings or arguments. Defendant's Motion #89: Motion for an order requiring an exhibit list prior to trial-is overruled & denied; however, it is Ordered that counsel for the State of Ohio shall prepare an exhibit list of the evidence that is used at trial, shall update the list as the trial progresses & shall provide a copy of the list to the Court, to the Defendant & to the jury, if & as ordered by the Court during the trial or at the conclusion of the trial. Defendant's Motion #11 requests relief similar to Motion #89-overruled & denied. Defendant's Motion #92: Motion to dismiss death specifications is similar to Motion #14-overruled & denied. Defendant's Motion #93: Motion to suppress testimony of jail house informants. Having considered all of the Defendant's arguments in support of Defendant's Motion #93 & all of the State of Ohio's arguments in opposition to Defendant's Motion #93, the Court finds & determines that Defendant's Motion #93 is not well taken, provided that at the time the jail house informants, if any, obtained information that the State of Ohio intends to introduce through them at trial the jail house informants were not inmates cooperating with the State of Ohio who obtained the information through conversations with the Defendant initiated by the inmates relating to the pending charges in this action or as to the Defendant's character, history & background without the presence of defense counsel, as prohibited by the Court's ruling upon Defendant's Motion #13, which was unopposed by the State of Ohio. With such caveat, it is Ordered that Defendant's Motion #93 is overruled & denied. Next jury selection starts on 7/5/22 (thru 7/8/22).
6/30/22: Response to Defendant's Motion #87 requesting the Court to adhere to the Ohio statutory scheme for jury service filed.
*George Washington Wagner III (47/now 51)Pretrial hearing on 2/1/22.
*Edward Jacob “Jake” Wagner (26/now 29) – Plead guilty (4/22/21) to all charges & will testify in the trials.
*Angela Jo Wagner (48/now 51) – 9/10/21: Plead guilty to a plea deal to Counts 9 thru 22, Counts 1-8 were dismissed. Will be sentenced to 30 years in prison with no early release & has to testify against others at trial.
*Rita Jo Newcomb (65/now 69) – Last Motions hearing on 12/2/19 entered a plea of guilty. Expected to testify in the trials.
*Fredericka Carol Wagner (76/now 80) – 6/26/19 Charges were dismissed without prejudice.
 
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