OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #69

[FrankieT]

still waiting on more testing till they decide how to proceed with treating this growth. Swallowing and breathing is getting more difficult so I hope something gets done soon…

Courage to you Dudly. Always enjoy seeing you here.

 

[Covert Operative]

I don't remember this, a truck they took being modified by George. That is incredible evidence that he was right there participating! It really helps prove his involvement and planning of the murders.

In the May 2nd hearing around 1:26 (on my video) Canepa says G4 bought the truck and helped modify it.

 

[Covert Operative]

I, personally, don’t remember seeing that it was modified by GWIV, just that it was modified. I could be wrong…

It says he helped modify it around 1:26 on the May 2nd hearing. Also says he is the one that bought it.

 

[Niner]

I've trying all day to get into the Pike County court site - but I guess they are having maintenance or something - I hope!

I have GW4 on July 5th for start of jury selection - per my notes:
7/5/22 through 7/8/22 & 7/11/22 through 7/15/22, beginning each day at 9am - completion of jury questionnaires by summoned prospective jurors.

 

[Cool Cats]

In the May 2nd hearing around 1:26 (on my video) Canepa says G4 bought the truck and helped modify it.

This ruins his defense that he

1. Tried to talk them out of it. No, it shows him helping them to do it.

2. Did not plan to go. Why wouldn't you go when you are actively helping them to go, plus you are familiar with the truck modifications.

3. Went at the last minute. This was planned out with 3 guns and vehicles all set and he would need more time to plan to go than to go at the last minute. Not forgetting cement, buckets, mask, night scope.

4. To protect Jake from Billy. Then he would not have let Jake and Billy even go together. Plus, it means he was keeping Jake safe so he could commit murder.

 

[Cool Cats]

I've trying all day to get into the Pike County court site - but I guess they are having maintenance or something - I hope!

I have GW4 on July 5th for start of jury selection - per my notes:
7/5/22 through 7/8/22 & 7/11/22 through 7/15/22, beginning each day at 9am - completion of jury questionnaires by summoned prospective jurors.

Was planning to ask about it.

I called the Court Clerk but just keep getting a recording to leave a message. It's Friday afternoon and then the weekend so if it is still down Monday I will try again. The few times I have called down there before I was always able to get the Court Clerk right away.

Keeps saying The service is unavailable.

 

[Antimony]

Today starts the new fiscal year. Lotsa work for the administrative types.

 

[sassyblue]

And Monday is a holiday.

 

[Cool Cats]

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Jury selection this month, I wonder about a change of venue. Luckily Judge Deering will try to seat this jury in Pike County which is standard in Ohio courts.​

Change of venue in Wagner murder trial …​

Rhoden case: New details emerge as judge …​

Change of venue in Wagner murder trial denied by Pike County Judge​

Rhoden case: New details emerge as judge rules George Wagner IV to stand trial in Pike County​

Prosecutor Angie Canepa said the evidence will show the Wagners decided together in their kitchen to kill the Rhoden family. Canepa painted a picture of the Wagners as a controlling, insular family unit.

Defense attorney John Parker said:

“This is obviously one of the highest-profile cases in the history of this community. It was a 2 and a half year investigation. There were news conferences held by the Attorney General, by the local sheriff, different members of law enforcement, updating the community on the status of the investigation."

“This was subject to great social media discussion in the community. Every pre-trial, including this one is broadcast live on the internet. It’s garnered tremendous media attention. It is our position a jury couldn’t be selected here that is fair to our client given all the publicity and notoriety of this case,” said Parker.

The defense learned for the first time in talking recently with a jury commissioner that there is a very low turnout rate in Pike County.

“Approximately 20-25 percent turnout is typical of those summonsed for jury duty. That is simply not acceptable if we are going to have a fair cross-section of the community. And when you factor in how notorious this case is and if you combine with how turnout. Of course we don’t know until people show up or don’t show up,” said Parker.

Judge Randy Deering denied the request for a change of venue but said “it remains to be seen whether or not we can seat a jury.”

 

[Piffcat]

Just a point.
Bolt action rifles are usually more accurate than auto-loading rifles.
That is because they have fewer moving parts. Less inertia disturbance during aiming for the 2nd shot
Bolt action rifles are not semi-auto. You have to work the bolt between shots.
The SKS is auto-loading, not bolt action. It is semi-auto.
Rifle accuracy matters more at a distance, not close-up.
At shorter distances, a rifle needs to be shorter and quicker to aim.

I missed the details on the "specially modified truck".
What did they do to make it a War Wagon?

yea i used some wrong terminology there. what i was trying to say, is that looking into the sks and its most common uses, it did not seem like the weapon of choice for a home invasion type of attack. seemed that the magazine size was limited and had a low rate of fire. its strengths seemed to be accuracy, distance, and firing a longer bullet. after hearing the pre trial where jake described the original plan, i could see how the sks would be useful.
according to jake, even after bily and crsr confrontation/fight before the murders, billy reached out to crsr. he described a mutually beneficial drug deal which high profits for both, and set up a time/meeting place to discuss in person. this meeting was the ruse used by the wagners to gain access to crsr property without causing initial suspicion. again, according to jake, crsr was expecting to see billy but not his sons.
jake described g4 purchasing a particular truck which had never been associated with the wagners. jake and g4 modified this "murder truck(prosecutors characterization)" to accomodate jake and g4 without being spotted by crsr. the initial plan was a long range shot from this modified truck to kill crsr at a distance. the pre trial did not get into why this plan A didnt work but they seemed to infer that a cab was put on the truck allowing a rifle to be fired from within(sounds like the dc sniper to me).

 

[Cool Cats]

yea i used some wrong terminology there. what i was trying to say, is that looking into the sks and its most common uses, it did not seem like the weapon of choice for a home invasion type of attack. seemed that the magazine size was limited and had a low rate of fire. its strengths seemed to be accuracy, distance, and firing a longer bullet. after hearing the pre trial where jake described the original plan, i could see how the sks would be useful.
according to jake, even after bily and crsr confrontation/fight before the murders, billy reached out to crsr. he described a mutually beneficial drug deal which high profits for both, and set up a time/meeting place to discuss in person. this meeting was the ruse used by the wagners to gain access to crsr property without causing initial suspicion. again, according to jake, crsr was expecting to see billy but not his sons.
jake described g4 purchasing a particular truck which had never been associated with the wagners. jake and g4 modified this "murder truck(prosecutors characterization)" to accomodate jake and g4 without being spotted by crsr. the initial plan was a long range shot from this modified truck to kill crsr at a distance. the pre trial did not get into why this plan A didnt work but they seemed to infer that a cab was put on the truck allowing a rifle to be fired from within(sounds like the dc sniper to me).

Maybe they were only expecting Chris not Gary and finding Gary there meant that they had to go in to kill him because Canepa said witnesses were killed just for being there. Also, they probably missed hitting him on the first or second shot as evidenced by the shell casing(s) on porch and bullet under house. Thus, Chris was tipped off that he was being attacked, so the 3 Wagners all ran in the house shooting him excessively, then panicking and dragging bodies and leaving footprints in all the chaos.

Sounds like a botched attempt. A very botched attempt.

 

[Cool Cats]

portsmouth-dailytimes.com

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George Wagner IV trial date set​

... Initial questioning of jurors July 5-14 and individual questioning August 8-22.

First I remember hearing of this jury questioning in August.

 

[Covert Operative]

portsmouth-dailytimes.com

www.portsmouth-dailytimes.com

George Wagner IV trial date set​

... Initial questioning of jurors July 5-14 and individual questioning August 8-22.

First I remember hearing of this jury questioning in August.

The jury questioning (Voir dire) has been in the notes that were in court view.

July 5, 2022 through July 8, 2022 and July 11, 2022 through July 15, 2022, beginning each day at 9 o'clock a.m. - completion of jury questionnaires by summoned prospective jurors. August 8, 2022 through August 12, 2022 - each day beginning at 9 o'clock a.m. - individual voir dire. August 15, 2022 through August 19, 2022 - each day beginning at 9 o'clock a.m. - individual voir dire. August 29, 2022 at 9 o'clock - beginning of trial, including general voir dire for the jury, opening statements, evidence and so forth. The jury trial is scheduled for 30 days.

 

[Piffcat]

Maybe they were only expecting Chris not Gary and finding Gary there meant that they had to go in to kill him because Canepa said witnesses were killed just for being there. Also, they probably missed hitting him on the first or second shot as evidenced by the shell casing(s) on porch and bullet under house. Thus, Chris was tipped off that he was being attacked, so the 3 Wagners all ran in the house shooting him excessively, then panicking and dragging bodies and leaving footprints in all the chaos.

Sounds like a botched attempt. A very botched attempt.

i agree this sounds like the most likely explanation, especially considering gary was killed with "higher caliber" since jake has admitted to using the 22, that would leave g3 and g4 with the 40 and SKS. seems g4 was the deciding factor jake and b3 may have been defeated. as much as i hate jake i gotta say that at least he is admitting to wrong doing. im sure it is only for self preservation, but his testimony certainly spared the survivors a certain amount of further grief. no more gas lighting that they didnt do it. by no means is this a compliment to jake, but g4s insistence that he is a super hero is infuriating

 

[Cool Cats]

The jury questioning (Voir dire) has been in the notes that were in court view.

July 5, 2022 through July 8, 2022 and July 11, 2022 through July 15, 2022, beginning each day at 9 o'clock a.m. - completion of jury questionnaires by summoned prospective jurors. August 8, 2022 through August 12, 2022 - each day beginning at 9 o'clock a.m. - individual voir dire. August 15, 2022 through August 19, 2022 - each day beginning at 9 o'clock a.m. - individual voir dire. August 29, 2022 at 9 o'clock - beginning of trial, including general voir dire for the jury, opening statements, evidence and so forth. The jury trial is scheduled for 30 days.

Thanks. I can't access the court site and must have missed this. I only remember July not what happens in August. If the court site is down still, by Tuesday, I'll call the court clerk to ask about it. I recommend calling her with general questions. The few times I've called her with a general question she was super nice about it.

 

[Cool Cats]

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[Cool Cats]

i agree this sounds like the most likely explanation, especially considering gary was killed with "higher caliber" since jake has admitted to using the 22, that would leave g3 and g4 with the 40 and SKS. seems g4 was the deciding factor jake and b3 may have been defeated. as much as i hate jake i gotta say that at least he is admitting to wrong doing. im sure it is only for self preservation, but his testimony certainly spared the survivors a certain amount of further grief. no more gas lighting that they didnt do it. by no means is this a compliment to jake, but g4s insistence that he is a super hero is infuriating

@Piffcat

What do you mean:

seems g4 was the deciding factor jake and b3 may have been defeated.

 

[Antimony]

Did the investigators find a 7.62 slug or a casing to match that type of round at the scene?
I don't think CRSR or Gary was hit with a 7.62. A miss from GWIV on the first shot could have
triggered the larger massacre.

 

[Niner]

The jury questioning (Voir dire) has been in the notes that were in court view.

July 5, 2022 through July 8, 2022 and July 11, 2022 through July 15, 2022, beginning each day at 9 o'clock a.m. - completion of jury questionnaires by summoned prospective jurors. August 8, 2022 through August 12, 2022 - each day beginning at 9 o'clock a.m. - individual voir dire. August 15, 2022 through August 19, 2022 - each day beginning at 9 o'clock a.m. - individual voir dire. August 29, 2022 at 9 o'clock - beginning of trial, including general voir dire for the jury, opening statements, evidence and so forth. The jury trial is scheduled for 30 days.

@Cool Cats - it is also in my posts when he has a hearing -

Trial set to begin on 8/29/22 with general voir dire for the jury, opening statements, evidence, etc. (Trial is scheduled for 30 days).
7/5/22 through 7/8/22 & 7/11/22 through 7/15/22, beginning each day at 9am - completion of jury questionnaires by summoned prospective jurors.
8/8/22 through 8/12/22 - each day beginning at 9am - individual voir dire.
8/15/22 through 8/19/22 - each day beginning at 9am - individual voir dire.
8/29/22 at 9am - beginning of trial, including general voir dire for the jury, opening statements, evidence & so forth. The jury trial is scheduled for 30 days.

 

[Cool Cats]

Did the investigators find a 7.62 slug or a casing to match that type of round at the scene?
I don't think CRSR or Gary was hit with a 7.62. A miss from GWIV on the first shot could have
triggered the larger massacre.

Here is where a 7.62 is mentioned at Chris Sr's. (7.62 cartridge)

I found this from the Bond Hearing regarding a heavier caliber.

George Wagner request for bail denied after hearing reveals new details
Time Stamp 1:10

Scheiderer:
So at this location (Chris SR's) we have evidence that a 30 caliber rifle was used at this location. We also have evidence that a Glock 40 caliber firearm was fired and we recovered bullet fragments of the 30 caliber as well as the 40 caliber and a casing from the 40 caliber cartridge.

Canepa:
Ok and I believe you already testified that - that 40 caliber was determined to be fired from a Glock.

Scheiderer:
Correct.

Canepa:
Ok and then you said a 30 caliber - was there an opinion about the projectile from the 30 caliber?

Scheiderer:
Yah it was a metallic cartridge and it was believed to be a military style round like a 7.62 cartridge.

Canepa:
Ok.

Scheiderer:
There was other 30 calibers that were eliminated as potential contributors.

Canepa:
Ok and specifically because that's a little bit heavier weight.

Scheiderer:
Yes it was a - yes it was a heavier - yes.

Canepa:
And can you tell us where were those - where was the ballistic evidence found at scene one?

Scheiderer:
In the living room which is the primary room of the residence and then also on the front porch leading up to the residence.

Canepa:
Ok.

Scheiderer:
And - and underneath the residence there was also a bullet retrieved from the dirt underneath the residence.

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