OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #71

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  • #521
You're a good man ColMustard.

Thank you!

Thanks to those that answered my question above.

I'm confused about DS saying Luke went in first. No link so this is my opinion, as I recall DS said in interviews he told LR to wait outside because "you don't want to see this". ?
 
  • #522
Thank you!

Thanks to those that answered my question above.

I'm confused about DS saying Luke went in first. No link so this is my opinion, as I recall DS said in interviews he told LR to wait outside because "you don't want to see this". ?
I thought the same thing. I wondered if he did say that to LR but LR took the lead anyway. I feel like his testimony today was totally transparent. Blessings on him.
 
  • #523
I thought the same thing. I wondered if he did say that to LR but LR took the lead anyway. I feel like his testimony today was totally transparent. Blessings on him.

I think you're right, on all three counts. LR, transparency, and blessings.
 
  • #524
You can not tell me with all the technology that they didn't verify that his phone was out of minutes and would not have seen that text message from Jake? Such poor detective work! Look what they put that poor man through and the family. No wonder poor Mr. Manley was livid!

I think they did verify that, probably not until AFTER they arrested James. They didn't say anything publicly because those were the orders from DeWine. No discussing the investigation, evidence or anything about the murders.

All we knew is that the prosecutor (Junk IIRC) moved James case to review by a grand jury. Nothing happened after that, so it was assumed BCI figured out the truth. By that time, they were suspicious of the Wags. It was a week or so before James' arrest that BCI and PCSO had searched the Wagner properties.

Better link, hopefully not broken

 
  • #525
My heart goes out to these people testifying. She is so slow its like torture.
 
  • #526
My heart goes out to these people testifying. She is so slow its like torture.
Yes, she is slow. A benefit: it gives transcribers enough time to write down testimony.
 
  • #527
I know we discussed if CR was shot thru the front door (my thoughts) or the bedroom door long ago... is the front door been verified as the one? Was it BW inside discussing 'deal' and JW shot thru door? I imagine that to be very hectic with one firing from outside and another maybe firing from inside... probably needed all those shots.
 
  • #528
I know we discussed if CR was shot thru the front door (my thoughts) or the bedroom door long ago... is the front door been verified as the one? Was it BW inside discussing 'deal' and JW shot thru door? I imagine that to be very hectic with one firing from outside and another maybe firing from inside... probably needed all those shots.
There has been no evidence nor speculation a drug deal discussion took place the night of the murders. The Wagners went to all four locations intent on murder.
 
  • #529
In Luke's testimony it sounds like Luke was first in the door since it was his dads house. Maybe knocking /opening the door and yelling out for his dad to answer. Then Donald was just behind him and saw him there with blood on his face and told Luke to get back out he didn't want to see that. So sounds like both stories are true and he did say you don't want to see that, but Luke was ahead of him walking in but they went in together.
 
  • #530
I thought the same thing. I wondered if he did say that to LR but LR took the lead anyway. I feel like his testimony today was totally transparent. Blessings on him.

JMO, it sounded like Luke walked in the door but stayed in the living room area. Donald walked into the living room second, but he was the one who went up the steps to look into Kenny's bedroom. To the right, up some steps. He was standing at the foot of the bed.

Then, it sounds like he turned around and told Luke to go outside. No one could see Kenny from the living room or front door. You had to go up the steps. The bedroom in Kenny's fifth wheel camper is in the part of the camper that is positioned over the bed of a truck when it's moved. The bedroom is on a level higher than the rest of the camper.

People went over this scenario a lot to discuss whether Kenny was awake or not. How did he not hear the killer. How close was he to the front door. Where would the killer have to stand to shoot so accurately. Was the shooter left or right handed, etc. Was the bed perpendicular to the stairs and living room or parallel? Now we know.
 
  • #531
There has been no evidence nor speculation a drug deal discussion took place the night of the murders. The Wagners went to all four locations intent on murder.

Or a ruse to get inside. I pretty much know what their intent was... but thanks.
More interested in which door was shot thru anyway.
 
  • #532
There has been no evidence nor speculation a drug deal discussion took place the night of the murders. The Wagners went to all four locations intent on murder.
In the opening statement I believe AC mentioned there was a meeting that night and it was a drug related meeting set up by the Wagners to get into the Rhodens house. I'll try to find the exact wording, but AC mentioned they went up to the building behind the house and came back and that is when Jake shot through the door. I could be recalling wrong, but I believe Billy was supposed to shoot him, but he was taking too long and Jake shot through the door. So there was a meeting, but it was only something they arranged to get into CRsr house that night.
 
  • #533
Thanks j
 
  • #534
There has been no evidence nor speculation a drug deal discussion took place the night of the murders. The Wagners went to all four locations intent on murder.
From post #926 on thread #70

From my notes and memory- 10:53 pm CR Sr. text to Dana from 8376#. 10:55 pm call to BW from 0501# routed to vm. (CR Sr. must of had 2 phones, one could be a landline) AC explained JW stated BW lured CR Sr. out of the trailer to look at pot plants, GW4 was supposed to shoot him but was taking too long so JW took the gun, and shot CR Sr. through the door after they went inside, hit his arm then BW shot CR Sr. and GR. Shortly before the shots BW told CR Sr. he didn't know where his phone was and to call it. (not too clear on why this occured but that explains the phone call if JW is telling the truth) And they all left their phones with AW with instructions to text people for an alibi.

DR last text was to CR Sr. @3:32 am with no response from him. AC said DR was in bed but awake on phone. JW shot her 2 times, shot HR who was nursing baby, DR was still alive making noises so he shot her 2 more times then shot CR Jr. who was asleep. BW and GW were in DR's home for backup if needed.

So time frame would be approx. 11:00 pm-3:32 am.
 
  • #535
A fifth wheel camper, though not exactly like Kenny's. It shows how the bedroom is a level up from the rest of the camper. Someone standing in the living room area can't see someone lying in bed without going up some steps.


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  • #536
Thank you!

Thanks to those that answered my question above.

I'm confused about DS saying Luke went in first. No link so this is my opinion, as I recall DS said in interviews he told LR to wait outside because "you don't want to see this". ?

Interesting as that is my recollection too.
 
  • #537
Luke Rhoden (missed first bit) spoke to his dad 9pm day before murder, KR supported his kids, lived 25 minutes away, always worked, worked at US utilities, would go to shower at CR snr some days before work, dad close to his siblings, very close to CRsr, dad living on Left Fork for about 3-4 years approx, used to live on Union Hill in yellow house . Brady Rhoden lived close,.I knew dad grew weed, grew in shack on property, I helped him trim,

Knew Wagners "not a lot" JW and HR came to Millers Lane one time, discussing getting tattoo, saw him a few other times, met GW went swimming behind uncle Bradys, JW me HR GW his woman and others, BW met him once at CRsr, CRsr lent him backhoe and he went with CRsr to help with backhoe, BW said of CRsr if you had to f*** with them you would have to shoot them, prior he said he was good people, off grid to BW property Knew FR closer with him when young but still close, knew he did derby racing and chicken fighting, participated in chicken fighting, FR hunted, Never saw GW and FR together

April 22nd 2016, mom came into my bedroom said CRsr and everybody shot up on hill she had got a phone call, went to hill, stopped at church, not able to get to CRsr property blocked off by ambulance and cops, tried dozen times to call dad, no answer, he would have been at work normally, get concerned, went to see if dad was at camper, he had high blood pressure and would sometimes get sick, cell coverage at his very poor, him Donald and Sean Watson sp went saw dads trucks, opened door hollered Donald went in and then ran out and said he had been shot blood all over his face, we went out Donald called cops, his sister showed up (not sure of her name) cops came - I did not go into dads bedroom, I saw a leg, top of his head, blanket on him, did not see his face or blood, I saw money 1s and 5s and his pants beside him, Brett Hatfield sp friend of family 7 years approx arrived on 4 wheeler and scanned my dad's property, looking for cameras, for footage of what happened, Brownie the dog usually inside at night, out in day, locks camper with padlock when he leaves, locks door inside when he was in at night, door just opened this day, went to cop shop, in a cruiser, sheriffs, old sheriffs dept, can't remember if they took anything, took me away about 10-15 minutes after they got there, showing AC where he was on blow up photo of KR property, where KR camper was, where he parked etc showing him diagram of dads home and where he went inside that day, and where Donald went, Dad had sensor at end of driveway, would ring if he was in camper if somebody walked past it, was told it wasn't working day or two prior, showing his father's trucks, (opinion it is beautiful out on KR property) and his home and weed shed, showing him many pictures of his dads property, Dad had 1 camera in tree close to camper and 1 in weed shed, images would be captured if anybody walked in front of camera, padlock for camper on floor in one picture, his dads phone was in window for reception not taken,
 
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  • #538
I know we discussed if CR was shot thru the front door (my thoughts) or the bedroom door long ago... is the front door been verified as the one? Was it BW inside discussing 'deal' and JW shot thru door? I imagine that to be very hectic with one firing from outside and another maybe firing from inside... probably needed all those shots.

My thoughts were that CR was shot through bedroom door due to the fact he had wood splinters in his wound(s). I imagined the door was shut, had he ran to that room and someone put a shot into the actual door. JMO as no link as to where or when this was talked about here.
 
  • #539
Interesting as that is my recollection too.
They are explaining this further with Luke's testimony. Luke was first in, Donald right behind. Donald went further in up some stairs to the bedroom (see photo above of a camper with a raised bedroom area where stairs up to a bedroom can be understood better) and Donald saw Kenny's body with the blood on his head and said something like "you don't want to see this, get back out of here" So both things are true. Luke was first in, but Donald was first to see this body and told Luke you don't want to see this.
 
  • #540
In the opening statement I believe AC mentioned there was a meeting that night and it was a drug related meeting set up by the Wagners to get into the Rhodens house. I'll try to find the exact wording, but AC mentioned they went up to the building behind the house and came back and that is when Jake shot through the door. I could be recalling wrong, but I believe Billy was supposed to shoot him, but he was taking too long and Jake shot through the door. So there was a meeting, but it was only something they arranged to get into CRsr house that night.

Yes, she said that. She said in Jake's confession, he said they came up with the idea of Billy telling CR that he wanted to talk to him about a possible lucrative drug deal with some big dealer they knew. They wanted to do it as a ruse to get Chris out of the house. JMO, it sounds like an odd story, but keep in mind, this is Jake's allegation. It's what Jake told the prosecutors in his confession.


Jake and George Wagner hid in the truck together when their father went to the home of Chris Rhoden Sr. — the first victim — on the night of the killings on a ruse to involve Rhoden in a lucrative drug deal.
 
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