OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #71

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  • #721
Wow that looks like a lot of work and takes a lot of tools. You could almost build a building faster than you could get that ready to use. lol

JMO

Seems like a hassle, huh? People really like concentrates. Hey idk if you or anyone else remembers, but there was a pretty big shatter bust really close to the time of the murders. Also around that time, Pike County's post office also had strong smelling marijuana mailed to them.
I personally read about these two incidents in Pike County, but have not attached any links. Jmo
 
  • #722
All it takes is one juror...

Personally that is what I think this is all about. One juror thinking that "hey, at least they took out some bad guys. Hillbilly style." Perhaps a juror who lost a family member to opiods.

That I believe is the intent of this defense.
BBM

That I believe is the intent of this defense.

I think it is just noise by the defense. It is their job, like it or not, to put out an alternative theory on who did it. It is going no where with Jake and Angie confessing.

Listening to Nash I sometimes wonder what he's been smoking. Or maybe he's using "Dab" since he seemed to know all about it.

Have you ever listened to Po'Dunk by Kid Rock?

JMO
 
  • #723
Seems like a hassle, huh? People really like concentrates. Hey idk if you or anyone else remembers, but there was a pretty big shatter bust really close to the time of the murders. Also around that time, Pike County's post office also had strong smelling marijuana mailed to them.
I personally read about these two incidents in Pike County, but have not attached any links. Jmo
There were 2 big raids post murders. One was a huge grow in Peebles Ohio in Adam's county with lots of photos and the one shatter ops in eastern part of Pike county that you mentioned.

I'd rather have the shine or a vodka than the mj. As a former cig smoker I couldn't hack having ny lungs polluted. It should be legalized nationally as far as I'm concerned.
 
  • #724
Racist? Where does racism enter into this scenario?
It would take too long to explain and I am tired.

The Appalachian people are a proud people and very intelligent. They have a right to be treated as the intelligent people they are.

JMO
 
  • #725
So I called the court and they weren't sure if a regular person could buy a transcript. She said she would let me know. We need to read what Angela and Jake say when the trial is over. Anyone else have thoughts on this?. So many people are opting out of being recorded I feel a transcript is the only way to get all the facts.
A transcript of this trial would fill in some of these blanks. So many opting out of being recorded.

I think Angela and Jake could opt out of being recorded. I'm waiting to see where the prosecution proves George is guilty. Crime scene discoveries first I figured that.

If I get a transcript I'm printing it here, some of it, especially Jake and Angela.

And a photo of their prison mug shots and prisons their sent to.
@Cool Cats Will you call and ask if a business or corporation can get one?

TIA
 
  • #726
Id donate 50 bucks to the cause. Unless JW and AW opt in, i dont think the snippets we get from the press will give us a full picture. It is bad enough to not see the non verbals and hear the voice inflections.

I felt for Mr Stone. He was raked across hot coals on another site in 2016 and 2017. It broke my heart seeing him relive that day. Personally, i think it is why many are opting out. They dont want every word or emotion dissected by armchair lawyers and pundits, as people like Mr Stone and even some of the Rhoden family experienced. Jmo
 
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When people talk about "running drugs", etc. I think of drugs, like oxycontin, heroin, cocaine, meth, fentanyl, ecstacy, etc. but not marijuana.

Didn't Skid Montgomery work at Flying W Farms? I remember reading that years ago. If so, it he was doing illegal business with Billy, not the Rhodens.

Interesting that Chris Sr. flagged out of the drug trip. Sounds like it wasn't for him, not a big time dealer. Sounds like Billy was, though.
I think it may have been a real lack of trust there. In the end Chris's gut instinct about Billy was right on.

JMO
 
  • #730
Friday, Sept. 16th:
*Trial continues (Day 5) (@ 9am ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) & a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) – for *George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 30) (Jakes’ bro) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/28/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Per Jake’s plea agreement, DP is off the table if his testimony is truthful.
Trial began on 8/29/22 with final jury selection & the jury has been seated on 8/30/22. 12 Jurors & 6 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 6 alternates: (5 women & 1 man).
Opening statements began on Monday, 9/12/22. (Trial is scheduled for 30 days).

Crime info & court hearings from 11/28/18 thru 9/6/22 & Trial Day 1-3 (9/12 to 9/14/22) post #461 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-24

9/15/22: Motion #110: Motion to take judicial notice filed by John Parker. Judicial notice is used by a court when it declares a fact presented as evidence as true without a formal presentation of evidence. A court can take judicial notice of indisputable facts. If a court takes judicial notice of an indisputable fact in a civil case, the fact is considered conclusive."
9/15/22 Thursday, Trial Day 4: Hearing before trial. for more info see posts #486 & 487 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-25
State witnesses: Darryl Hart, first responder EMT. Donald Stone, friend of Kenneth Rhoden.
Trial testimony (video) - see posts #487, 488, 492 & 499 here: And more Hart testimony #572 page 28.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-25
State witnesses continued: Donald Stone. Luke Rhoden, Kenneth’s son.
For more info see posts #502, 511 & 513 here: And more of Stone testimony (video) #587 page 30.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-26
State witness continued: Luke Rhoden.
For more info see posts #530, 538 & 545 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-28
State witness continued: Luke Rhoden.
For more info see posts #562 & 575 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-29
State witness continued: Brett Hatfield, friend.
For more info see posts #661 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-34
State witness continued: Brett Hatfield, friend.
For more info see posts #681 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-35
Attorneys & Judge discussion on Motion #110 filed by defense on 9/15/22. Post #627 page 32.
Trial continues on 9/16/22.
 
  • #731
1. main electric supply for lights withan industrial contact timer which automatically sets when lights go on and come back on. female plants start off with 18 hours on and 6 hours off. the cultivator forces plant to initiate bloom by changing 18/6 to 12 hours on/12 hours off the dark period stresses the plants out causes them to self seed which ruins the crop. so timer is very important.

2. these are programmable electric wall socket timers. they are for automating air flow and nutrient water pumps.

3. this is the exhaust system and carbon scrubber. this fan sits on top of a tall cylinder known as a carbon scrubber. its job is to neutralize the smell of the plants. charcoal is inside cylinder and when air is pulled up thru the metal mesh sides thru the fan pulling the air outside then ducting then outside. pulling air out to exchange lowers humidity, manages temperature replenishes co2 .

4. active intake fan brings fresh air into the room

5. these boxes are called ballasts. provide high voltage power to high pressure sodim lights. they physcially turn the lights on/off when commanded by the timer. they are attached to the industrial timer.
5. these large leaves are incredible. very very rare type called haze. the most difficult to grow but best rewards in quality and market value. these plants covered in resin and high yielding.
6. judgin by the cola size these plants were 2/3 done with bloom

7 hps lighting system
high pressure sodium lighting syste includes 3 parts- ballast, bulb, and reflector.
bulb is powered by the ballast which are the white rectangles above the intake fan(4) the ballast ignites the sodium bulb when the timer signals .

600 watt high pressure sodim light is contained inside the reflector behind glass. the reflector keeps heat away from top of plant, increases brightness/intensity, and gives light wider range.

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kennys grow is very impressive. thought some would like t o have some context as the defense trying drag crsr and kr down.

starting off the word hydropponics what was it mean?? what makes it different then dirt??

the main idea is tro expose the roots directly to a constant source of oxygenated nutrient solution. the plant has access to everything it wants whenever it wants it. dirt is a middleman it holds the nutrients and when roots fill with water the nutrients from dirt are pushed up stem to plant. with hydro the roots are sitting in rockwool, clay balls, net pots perlite which only supplies support not nutrition. oxygen is added to the water which enables the plant to grow in standing water. this system produces massive yields, potent medicine, and faster growth. it is the most difficult way to grow but it has the best results. these guys were professional level this room is better then 90 percent of caretakers i work with.

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Wow I am getting a real education here. I have a question though. Being on the CPA side of it I have clients who turn in receipts for books every month. They turn in electric bills for anywhere from 2000.00 to 4000.00 a month. Being MJ is legal here, but illegal at that time in Ohio, wouldn't the electric company have questioned and turned in to LE that large amount of usage?
 
  • #732
Seems like a hassle, huh? People really like concentrates. Hey idk if you or anyone else remembers, but there was a pretty big shatter bust really close to the time of the murders. Also around that time, Pike County's post office also had strong smelling marijuana mailed to them.
I personally read about these two incidents in Pike County, but have not attached any links. Jmo
I do remember that. Endless discussion on here in the early days about whether it was connected to the murders or not. I had to ask what that was also. lol

JMO
 
  • #733
So I called the court and they weren't sure if a regular person could buy a transcript. She said she would let me know. We need to read what Angela and Jake say when the trial is over. Anyone else have thoughts on this?. So many people are opting out of being recorded I feel a transcript is the only way to get all the facts.

@Cool Cats Will you call and ask if a business or corporation can get one?

TIA

At this point, I feel like the only thing we can do is trust the prosecutors and DeWine. They've got this.
 
  • #734
Friday, Sept. 16th:
*Trial continues (Day 5) (@ 9am ET) - OH - Pike County 8 people dead: Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (40), his ex-wife, Dana Manley Rhoden (37), their three children, Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden (20), Christopher Jr. (16), Hanna Mae (19); Frankie's fiancée, Hannah Hazel Gilley (20), Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, Kenneth Rhoden (44), & a cousin, Gary Rhoden (37). Hanna Rhoden's baby girl (5 days old), another baby (6 mos.) & a young child (3) were unharmed. (April 21-22, 2016, Pebbles) – for *George Washington Wagner IV (27/now 30) (Jakes’ bro) indicted (11/12/18), arrested (11/13/18), charged (11/15/18) & arraigned (11/28/18) with 8 counts aggravated murder, (plus gun specifications on each), 1 count of 1st degree conspiracy, 4 counts of 1st degree aggravated burglary, 1 count of 5th degree unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, 3 counts of 3rd degree evidence tampering, 1 count of 5th degree forgery, 1 count of 5th degree unauthorized use of computer or telecommunications, 1 count of 4th degree interception of wire, oral or electronic communication, 1 count of 5th degree obstructing justice, & 1 count of 1st degree engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity. Plead not guilty. Held without bond. DA will seek the DP. Per Jake’s plea agreement, DP is off the table if his testimony is truthful.
Trial began on 8/29/22 with final jury selection & the jury has been seated on 8/30/22. 12 Jurors & 6 alternates. Jury: (9 women & 3 men) & 6 alternates: (5 women & 1 man).
Opening statements began on Monday, 9/12/22. (Trial is scheduled for 30 days).

Crime info & court hearings from 11/28/18 thru 9/6/22 & Trial Day 1-3 (9/12 to 9/14/22) post #461 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-24

9/15/22: Motion #110: Motion to take judicial notice filed by John Parker. Judicial notice is used by a court when it declares a fact presented as evidence as true without a formal presentation of evidence. A court can take judicial notice of indisputable facts. If a court takes judicial notice of an indisputable fact in a civil case, the fact is considered conclusive."
9/15/22 Thursday, Trial Day 4: Hearing before trial. for more info see posts #486 & 487 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-25
State witnesses: Darryl Hart, first responder EMT. Donald Stone, friend of Kenneth Rhoden.
Trial testimony (video) - see posts #487, 488, 492 & 499 here: And more Hart testimony #572 page 28.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-25
State witnesses continued: Donald Stone. Luke Rhoden, Kenneth’s son.
For more info see posts #502, 511 & 513 here: And more of Stone testimony (video) #587 page 30.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-26
State witness continued: Luke Rhoden.
For more info see posts #530, 538 & 545 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-28
State witness continued: Luke Rhoden.
For more info see posts #562 & 575 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-29
State witness continued: Brett Hatfield, friend.
For more info see posts #661 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-34
State witness continued: Brett Hatfield, friend.
For more info see posts #681 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bers-wagner-family-arrested-71.636588/page-35
Attorneys & Judge discussion on Motion #110 filed by defense on 9/15/22. Post #627 page 32.
Trial continues on 9/16/22.

Thank you for this, Niner! Its more helpful than ever. There are so many witnesses, but so little information coming out, with so many "opting out".
 
  • #735
can someone post a live stream link that has caption - I'm deaf. The youtube Law and Crime has had caption until today ugh
 
  • #736
Wow I am getting a real education here. I have a question though. Being on the CPA side of it I have clients who turn in receipts for books every month. They turn in electric bills for anywhere from 2000.00 to 4000.00 a month. Being MJ is legal here, but illegal at that time in Ohio, wouldn't the electric company have questioned and turned in to LE that large amount of usage?

The bunker grow that got busted, with the bank vault door and concrete walls, had their electric tapped directly to the overhead wires with no electric meter. The bootleg tap on the wires is what got them busted.

Many are going with LED lighting these days, much lower power usage.
 
  • #737
can someone post a live stream link that has caption - I'm deaf. The youtube Law and Crime has had caption until today ugh

Sorry I can't help you but maybe World Justice News May have a button for sub titles. Good luck.
 
  • #738
I'm way back on page 34 and won't catch up until after tea. It's 1.54pm here in uk.
 
  • #739
Here's the WCPO live stream link. They've been pretty reliable. Not sure about captioning.


WKRC


WRT captioning, one of the live feeds I watched yesterday had it. Possibly WCPO. The captioning wasn't very accurate because of bad audio in the courtroom.
 
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  • #740
I will try to get some of it. Angie's and Jake's especially. And the EX's.
you can't buy parts of a transcript you have to buy it all,
 
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