OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #72

[Cool Cats]

Have not seen that. If you find it could let me know where. Thanks

yes, me too!

Chris's house, bodies in bedroom. Gary over Chris like Gary's dad said.

 

[ColMustard]

IIRC said likely dragged feet first causing shirt and pants to bunch up.

Right, Hanshaw did say that, but the ME this morning said the was consistent with head first, and I recall the drawing showing them head first. Still looking for that diagram. It's should be in yesterday's video since we're not finding it here.

 

[LMDlong]

Chris's house, bodies in bedroom. Gary over Chris like Gary's dad said.

Thank you.

 

[dgfred]

maybe dragged into room feet first then placed head first near the bed.

 

[Betty P]

Looking at bullet holes in Chri's shirt, clothes.

He also had wounds to head. I think this is line of query will point out that Chris was shot with 2 different types of weapons. ME mentioned two bullets fell out of his clothes when they removed them.

Bullets and bullet wounds are reported by ME in the order they are found from top of the head down.

Talking about trying to find entrance wound and exit wound.

 

[dgfred]

Putting your arms under CR's arms/shoulders would be really messy probably with his arm shattered like that... but I don't know.

 

[justtrish]

The more I learn about this family, the more I just love them. Come he** or high water, when times got tough, they could and did pull together and lean on each other. That's a closeness that the Wags can't even imagine. Moo

It's a genuine closeness. The Wagners had a creepy cult like forced closeness not built on love, but control.

 

[twall]

Chris's house, bodies in bedroom. Gary over Chris like Gary's dad said.

I know, I am the original poster of that image, screen cap from a news video. Not what Col. Mustard is looking for. Thanks anyway!

 

[CIA Team Member]

Chris Sr was shot while he was standing inside the trailer. Remember, the front door was open. He was shot while standing inside the doorway by two different weapons shooting from the outside.

The ME's crucial evidence was noting that he was shot with 2 different bullets, hence 2 different guns. 1 bullet - the one that shattered his arm - was fired from a high powered rifle, either SKS or AR (not sure of initials of high powered rifles, not a gun expert).

All of Chris's wounds were incapacitating, if not fatal. Jake can't argue that he shot with the SK whatever AND another weapon while standing in the yard with GW4 cowering nearby. Two people shot Chris Sr from the front yard with 2 different weapons.

Gary was also shot from outside. That was all made clear in the previous 2 days testimony,

I recall very early on it was said "they were shot from the outside."
@ColMustard do you recall this as well?

 

[sunshineray]

Good God, 6 entrance wounds in CRSR's face...

 

[Myland]

Jmo he had to be shot inside to have the gun that close to his face for the head wounds.

 

[ColMustard]

These are the photos that show the placement of how the bodies are found .. not sure if the attachments will show but it's post #342 in this thread (page 18) by @Cool Cats

ETA .. I don't know how to get the attachments on this post so if someone could post those again for the ones who didn't seem them last night that would be great! TY!!

Yes that's it, I passed over it thinking it was only the drag marks.

It's not helping that the large empty banner obscures part of the page. Anyone else see that?

My mistake again, they are feet first, no doubt.

 

[LeftEyed]

I think Billy is standing in the kitchen, out of the way, somewhat near where they found the .40 casing by the table. And as soon as he hears/sees Chris get shot he hits Gary from close range, drops Gary near the living room end of the treadmill, then turns to chris. CLOSE quarters, all shots as close as 3 feet.

 

[twall]

Jmo he had to be shot inside to have the gun that close to his face.

I agree.

 

[ColMustard]

I recall very early on it was said "they were shot from the outside."
@ColMustard do you recall this as well?

Early on in the trial? Yes, I think that's been the testimony, shot from outside while inside the home. Those bullets through the wall and doorway were hitting CR.

It's possible GR's blood in the grass was dropped by a Wagner. Just like the loft door.

 

[dgfred]

I can't imagine all of what 31 of 32 bullets fired from outside. Seems a few at least were finishing-off shots.

 

[twall]

ME just said shots are consistent with someone that is down. I think CR was hit with the .30 SKS and incapacitated then shot in the head with the .40 Glock at close range.

 

[Chelly]

Early on in the trial? Yes, I think that's been the testimony, shot from outside while inside the home. Those bullets through the wall and doorway were hitting CR.

It's possible GR's blood in the grass was dropped by a Wagner. Just like the loft door.

Yes, when the BCI agent testified, he said they were shot at from outside the house, then the shooting went inside. I believe he also indicated a confrontation began outside.

 

[joe jones]

Direct of Dr Looman (continued)

showing photos of bloody items to Dr and jury, (we got to see bloody sweatshirt but now back to not showing photos in open court)

My Opinion but the bullet that shot CRsr in his chest was above the word family on his shirt and for the state getting that into evidence will really hammer home what was done to this family, almost like a sign pointing to the word family reminding the jury what one family literally did to another family

GSW CR sr
(Document them from head to toe, not necessarily in order they were fired)
6 GSW to face entrance wounds, (sidebar defense objected to something, possible crime scene photos, they do have a standing objection to crime scene photos already on the record)
Right side 6 holes in CR face, pointed out to jury one by nose, didn't describe where 5 others were, just pointed them out for jury, GSW - 1 cheek, intermediate distance, approx 3ft from face 2 nose, 3 4 and 5 loose contact. close to skin not touching skin
6 loose contacts (due to not seeing photos difficult to know exactly what she testified to, no 1 cheek exited behind right ear, right to left, front to back, slightly upward
2 nose right across face to back of head on left side
3lower lip area same path (bullet in skull retrieved by her)
4 downward trajectories into his spine, bottom of skull, cut off spine from skull, bullet in body, internal decapitation,
5 across head like 2 and 3 exited behind ear
6 downwards across neck, shoulder into back, bullet found in back

2-5 linear pattern, somebody standing over CR whilst he is on floor and firing into him, victim not moving

diagram of GSW shown in court so hopefully somebody has screen grabbed it

 

[Myland]

ME just said shots are consistent with someone that is down. I think CR was hit with the .30 SKS and incapacitated then shot in the head with the .40 Glock at close range.

That is what I believe happened too.