OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #72

[Chelly]

Shoes with no shoelaces and the back cut out these days.

Hey, get out of my shoe closet!

 

[justtrish]

3 Frankie head and he got black eyes they call racoon eyes from the gunshots. Hannah Hazel got 5 shots to the face, one went through her eye. Sounds to me like Jake was taking revenge on Charley Gilley for fathering the baby that Jake wanted to steal and Hanna wouldn't let him. Angela and Jake tried to convince Hanna to put Jake's name on her birth certificate.

Sick @#$%&

Oh goodness that is right! Hannah Hazel and Charlie Gilley were siblings correct? I guess that is more motive there then for taking out Frankie and Hannah Hazel. I totally forgot that connection.

 

[Cool Cats]

i hope the papers stress these clean tox screens as loud as they defamed the victims from day 1. not that i care about drugs but these victims seem to be unusually sober!! like more sober then 90 percent of the population. i was surprised fr and crsr tested negative for thc. guess they did not mix work and recreation.
the way the media portrayed the victims in the beginning was cruel but even worse completely false. while the wagner family imo clearly had some serious opiate/meth issues.
in this modern day information age people both public and private are so quick to denigrate others. the stain left on this case by the irresponsible reporting in the first days/weeks never quite wore off. its still the first thing most ppl who dont follow will remark if case is brought up. even now there is very little national media coverage.

the ruthlessness of these murders is unmatched in american history , something any human being could relate to and empathize with.

yet all it took was a few grow ops to slander an entire family. as a caretaker for mmj myself it is appalling that the cultivation of cannabis was used by many as a justification to ignore the victims and write them off as "getting what they had coming." meanwhile the truly evil in ohio and the us peddle lethal fentanyl without a second thought. the defense attorneys imo are scum.

heres a moral question to ponder- are all criminals owed a vigorous defense even when their guilt is admitted? people who may be innocent are entitled to a defense, but what about those already admitting guilt? if g4 lawyer knows he did this, what does that make him?

"heres a moral question to ponder- are all criminals owed a vigorous defense even when their guilt is admitted? people who may be innocent are entitled to a defense, but what about those already admitting guilt? if g4 lawyer knows he did this, what does that make him?"

Doesn't matter if a defendant admits guilt to his attorney or if the attorney thinks their client is guilty. It's called attorney client privilege and the attorney still has to defend the client.

All that matters is what the client/defendant says in court. If the defendant pleads NOT guilty and wants a trial then the defense attorney has to give him the best defense, otherwise the defense attorney risks getting disbarred or the client/defendant will win on an appeal that he wasn't given a proper defense.

I believe that George insists to his attorneys that he is innocent. Nash came out and said this in a 2021 hearing.
But I now think Nash has his doubts about George's innocence and my reason for this is because he did "an about face" in his opening statement and actually said George wasn't there at all and knew nothing about it.

Earlier on, the defense did not deny that George wasn't there, they did not deny at the hearings that:

1.) Angie placed him there.
2.) Jake placed him there.
3.) He went at the last minute.
4.) He only went to protect Jake from Billy.
5.) He hid at Chris's in the truck.
6.) He didn't shoot anyone while being there.

Now suddenly he wasn't even there?

What this tells me is that Nash believes George is guilty of murder under Ohio law because he did go along. Period. And the really only truly way for Nash to get George acquitted is for Nash to now say George wasn't even there, plus knew nothing about it.

So how do you think this line of defense will work out for Nash? Does Nash think the Jury is running with an IQ of 80?

I am actually seeing photos of Nash looking upset over some of the testimony but George never does. George just looks pissed off alot.

Example of Nash looking upset over the graphic testimony and George never does:

 

[ColMustard]

moo

If I'm G4, I'm ready to fire the lawyers and represent myself, just because that gives me a standing start to run for the door. It's my only hope.

moo

 

[LMDlong]

IMO The shoe print found in FR’s kitchen was not the same as the one found at CRsr’s . Did BCI say anything more about the print from Frankie’s?

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Boy the defense DOES NOT like any questioning about the babies being there, nursing, laying in the parents blood for hours, moving around.. they keep objecting on these parts.

Horrific murder of 8 people in 4 homes is shocking, terrible, cruel. But murdering a nursing mother with her baby at her side? Depraved. Evil. Psychopathic. I cannot imagine that the jury isn't as repulsed by what the Wagners did as we are.

 

[LMDlong]

I agree! She is amazing and I think she is engaging also. Not so monotone or boring so I hope the jury can appreciate her knoweldge as well even though a lot of this is repetitive. I think it's needed and really hammers home how awful this was. Multipe shots over and over and over while kids lay with their dead parents. Thankful none of the babies were hit accidently or died due to being alone until they were found.

They should get charged with endangering a minor.

 

[LMDlong]

Horrific murder of 8 people in 4 homes is shocking, terrible, cruel. But murdering a nursing mother with her baby at her side? Depraved. Evil. Psychopathic. I cannot imagine that the jury isn't as repulsed by what the Wagners did as we are.

i Agree.

 

[LMDlong]

"heres a moral question to ponder- are all criminals owed a vigorous defense even when their guilt is admitted? people who may be innocent are entitled to a defense, but what about those already admitting guilt? if g4 lawyer knows he did this, what does that make him?"

Doesn't matter if a defendant admits guilt to his attorney or if the attorney thinks their client is guilty. It's called attorney client privilege and the attorney still has to defend the client.

All that matters is what the client/defendant says in court. If the defendant pleads NOT guilty and wants a trial then the defense attorney has to give him the best defense, otherwise the defense attorney risks getting disbarred or the client/defendant will win on an appeal that he wasn't given a proper defense.

I believe that George insists to his attorneys that he is innocent. Nash came out and said this in a 2021 hearing.
But I now think Nash has his doubts about George's innocence and my reason for this is because he did "an about face" in his opening statement and actually said George wasn't there at all and knew nothing about it.

Earlier on, the defense did not deny that George wasn't there, they did not deny at the hearings that:

1.) Angie placed him there.
2.) Jake placed him there.
3.) He went at the last minute.
4.) He only went to protect Jake from Billy.
5.) He hid at Chris's in the truck.
6.) He didn't shoot anyone while being there.

Now suddenly he wasn't even there?

What this tells me is that Nash believes George is guilty of murder under Ohio law because he did go along. Period. And the really only truly way for Nash to get George acquitted is for Nash to now say George wasn't even there, plus knew nothing about it.

So how do you think this line of defense will work out for Nash? Does Nash think the Jury is running with an IQ of 80?

I am actually seeing photos of Nash looking upset over some of the testimony but George never does. George just looks pissed off alot.

Example of Nash looking upset over the graphic testimony and George never does:

Interesting.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

3 Frankie head and he got black eyes they call racoon eyes from the gunshots. Hannah Hazel got 5 shots to the face, one went through her eye. Sounds to me like Jake was taking revenge on Charley Gilley for fathering the baby that Jake wanted to steal and Hanna wouldn't let him. Angela and Jake tried to convince Hanna to put Jake's name on her birth certificate.

Sick @#$%&

Jake wanted to "steal" that baby, and yet he killed her mother before she was even a week old.

 

[Cool Cats]

moo

If I'm G4, I'm ready to fire the lawyers and represent myself, just because that gives me a standing start to run for the door. It's my only hope.

moo

How do you think Nash and Parker are screwing this up? Before, they were going full steam ahead with Motion after Motion. Just curious of your point of view. I enjoy your opinions.

IMO The shoe print found in FR’s kitchen was not the same as the one found at CRsr’s . Did BCI say anything more about the print from Frankie’s?

Interesting observation. Could just be a LE footprint, or from legitimate visitor etc... C-Rob and her son were there and I think a cousin came earlier.

Not sure what was said about Frankie's, but I know for sure that the only footprints Scheiderer said were found that matched the ones Angie bought at Walmart were found at Chris Sr's and at Dana's.

No Walmart shoe prints found at Frankie's or Kenny's unless Scheidnerer deliberately held that information back. Didn't seem like he did. Canepa asked him point blank questions about it and he answered under oath.

 

[LMDlong]

It has never been stated but Angie said she bought a style of shoe G & J do not wear, and sizes they do not wear so the size shoes that the Wagner men wear will probably come out when the shoe expert testifies.

Along when the State pulls out the receipt . It might have the size of each pair purchased. And the jails I believe has that listed in his clothing from booking. JMO

 

[LMDlong]

How do you think Nash and Parker are screwing this up? Before, they were going full steam ahead with Motion after Motion. Just curious of your point of view. I enjoy your opinions.



Interesting observation. Could just be a LE footprint, or from legitimate visitor etc... C-Rob and her son were there and I think a cousin came earlier.

Not sure what was said but I know for sure that the only footprints Scheiderer said were found that matched the ones Angie bought at Walmart were found at Chris Sr's and at Dana's.

Thank you

 

[ohioexpat63]

There isnt much a defense attorney can do when the state has evidence and confessions from your accomplices

 

[ohioexpat63]

Footprint at FR could have been BJM

 

[Johnny B Bad]

moo

If I'm G4, I'm ready to fire the lawyers and represent myself, just because that gives me a standing start to run for the door. It's my only hope.

moo

CM
Do you remember how a certain person on another site kept putting the Rhoden women down and those people kept blaming the Manley family for the murders, I really hope this information comes out if that was the Wagners doing that? JMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

i was surprised fr and crsr tested negative for thc. guess they did not mix work and recreation.

One thing that strikes me is how hard the Rhodens work. Putting aside for a moment the prejudice some have against mariuana, growing a crop of ANYTHING is hard work. CR Sr. had the Big Bear Lake work, the cars he rehabbed, the work they were doing on Dana's house, and who knows what else? He and KR loaned a backhoe to Billy Wagner, and when it wouldn't start, they were the ones who brought equipment to warm it up so it could start (Luke's testimony). KR was commuting to Columbus. Dana was working night shift at the care facility. We've seen media statements that CR Sr. was helping GR give up harder drugs and getting him work, too. They seem to welcome the babies that come along and the kids clearly had close relationships with the parents. It's just an opinion based on very long-distance, Monday morning quarterbacking, but these people seem to be hard-working and happy in a way that made recreational escapist drug use irrelevant.

 

[Betty P]

Why are these cowards fascinated with shooting out the eyes. Is there some.sort.of religious connection

It was probably in that cursed movie, "Boondock Saints".

 

[LMDlong]

"heres a moral question to ponder- are all criminals owed a vigorous defense even when their guilt is admitted? people who may be innocent are entitled to a defense, but what about those already admitting guilt? if g4 lawyer knows he did this, what does that make him?"

Doesn't matter if a defendant admits guilt to his attorney or if the attorney thinks their client is guilty. It's called attorney client privilege and the attorney still has to defend the client.

All that matters is what the client/defendant says in court. If the defendant pleads NOT guilty and wants a trial then the defense attorney has to give him the best defense, otherwise the defense attorney risks getting disbarred or the client/defendant will win on an appeal that he wasn't given a proper defense.

I believe that George insists to his attorneys that he is innocent. Nash came out and said this in a 2021 hearing.
But I now think Nash has his doubts about George's innocence and my reason for this is because he did "an about face" in his opening statement and actually said George wasn't there at all and knew nothing about it.

Earlier on, the defense did not deny that George wasn't there, they did not deny at the hearings that:

1.) Angie placed him there.
2.) Jake placed him there.
3.) He went at the last minute.
4.) He only went to protect Jake from Billy.
5.) He hid at Chris's in the truck.
6.) He didn't shoot anyone while being there.

Now suddenly he wasn't even there?

What this tells me is that Nash believes George is guilty of murder under Ohio law because he did go along. Period. And the really only truly way for Nash to get George acquitted is for Nash to now say George wasn't even there, plus knew nothing about it.

So how do you think this line of defense will work out for Nash? Does Nash think the Jury is running with an IQ of 80?

I am actually seeing photos of Nash looking upset over some of the testimony but George never does. George just looks pissed off alot.

Example of Nash looking upset over the graphic testimony and George never does:

IMO I think Nash has doubts also and if he can figure a way to catch Jake in lie it will put a seed of doubt in the jurors minds and end in a hung jury .

Footprint at FR could have been BJM

It could be , but I think BCI would have said if it came back as hers or anyone else’s or stated it was inconclusive .

 

[sunshineray]

This seems like overkill also and just so unnecessary. It's one thing to shoot someone once or twice to ensure they are dead, but 4-5 times in the head while this woman is sleeping beside he baby? I hope George is squirming in his seat. There is no defense for it and I hope the jury sees all the horrible photos and evidence and realizes that yes Jake is a liar, but if they believe George had any part of it, even the smallest part, he is just as guilty as Jake is. If what Jake has said lines up with even some of this evidence, then they shouldn't have any trouble. Also, Angela can testify that they left together that night and returned together. I mean heading out to kill 8 people and Billy and Jake just what brought George along to drop him off somewhere before the massacre and pick him up after? I doubt it. He was there, he knew before, he helped plan it, he helped clean up their part in it. Evil.

Evil is right...a tiny woman 133 lbs (and that's still with some pregnancy weight still on her) nursing her 6 month old baby gets more shots than her big burly husband in bed next to her. Only one reason I can come up with and that's family connection to a person the killer hates, her brother CG. It's the only explanation that rings true to the evil that is JW. It's all so despicable IMO