OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #73

[justtrish]

I noticed this happened yesterday not far from Pike County. I don't believe it's connected at all, but interesting even so. A bomb threat a county over. Wasn't one of the Wagners housed in this jail at some point?

Police investigate a bomb threat at the Chillicothe Municipal Court - Scioto Valley Guardian

Scioto Valley Guardian

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[sunshineray]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1574814400720019457

DAY 12: Jury sent home early after secretive crosstalk in Wagner trial

WAVERLY, Ohio — The twelfth day of trial in George W. Wagner IV in Pike County ended early as jurors were sent home at lunch. The reason for the early dismissal was not publicly disclosed and…

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It all started when the court’s bailiff stepped into the courtroom at around 11:45 a.m. and slipped a post-it note to Judge Randy Deering. Deering read the note, made a facial expression, jotted down some things on paper, and reached for his cell phone and was typing on it. Simultaneously, the bailiff was handed two pieces of paper with highlights on them from the court administrator, Sandra Lawhorn. It is unknown what was on the post-it note, the pieces of paper, or if they had anything to do with the trial or the early dismissal.

From the expression on Nash's face at sidebar, I'm getting a bad feeling about the jurors conduct at lunch maybe? I sure hope not. It would make sense to adjourn for juror questioning.

 

[justtrish]

IMO-I wonder if it doesn't have something to do with a threat at the courthouse. There was one yesterday at another one in Ohio (close to this courthouse?) Police investigate a bomb threat at the Chillicothe Municipal Court - Scioto Valley Guardian
ETA-IMO, but pretty sure that the earlier unexpected adjournment had to do with someone's health issue.

I just posted this and then got to your post! Didn't mean to duplicate. Do you know if one of the W's are at the jail here being held?

 

[sunshineray]

I wonder if it has something to do with the lawsuit filed last week against him by the media.

Could a lawsuit like that actually file an injunction and stop proceedings though?

 

[Chingaling]

I think prosecution (AC) talked about that at Jake's hearing when he confessed. The amount of time it would take to get through all 4 trials was a key consideration. The family wanted to see justice, but some of them were in failing health. It probably would take at least 5 years to get through all 4 trials. That meant family had to continue showing up for pre-trial and trial hearings month after month, year after year until all of these creeps were convicted.

It probably also meant the trials would eventually need jurors from other counties, due to Pike County's relatively small population. It would be hard to seat 4 consecutive juries in Pike County.

The decisions came after the defense attorneys had a chance to review all the evidence against their clients and realized it would be very difficult, if not impossible to get an acquittal.

GW4's attorneys have worked very hard for the last couple of years to bamboozle some folks into thinking the evidence against the Wagners was weak when, in reality at least 2 defense teams (and probably 3) realized they stood little chance of winning. I say probably 3 because I don't think Billy's attorneys believe he will get acquitted. He has ignored their advice a number of times, on his case. Remember when he made them hassle the judge to have a hearing about letting him out on bail? LOL. They're stuck having to do what he wants. He's a very violent, hostile, poorly educated and delusional defendant. Not sure what the deal is with GW4 and his attorney. I suspect, but won't say.

Can't argue with any of that. Great points.

 

[Betty P]

This is the second time in two weeks, judge unexpectedly adjourned court for the day. I hope the public learns why.

The last time was due to a juror who became ill. A reporter said it was diabetes related.

From the tweets above, it does sound as if the state's witness - the shoeprint expert from Ohio BCI - was able to provide quite a bit of testimony.

 

[Betty P]

Could a lawsuit like that actually file an injunction and stop proceedings though?

That would be highly unusual. JMO. I doubt a court would stop a murder trial just for that.

 

[Cool Cats]

Interesting , did not know that you can’t do appeals in a Plea Deal. Good information, thank you .

Because George is going to trial he will get to do an appeal process for a certain amount of time if found guilty. But it eventually stops and he is getting a good defense but we can get some ideas of what they would appeal on.

Bloody crime scenes to turn the jury against him and not enough young working guys his age as 2 examples and I am sure other denied motions.

But the DP is different. Just goes on and on for appeals.

I have no idea if appeals had anything to do with the families excepting plea deals.

But yes, you do a plea deal and can kiss your appeals goodbye.

 

[Chingaling]

You get a slam dunk life without parole on Jake. You get 30 years for Angela, who wasn't at any of the murder scenes. There is no risk at all that either of them would be acquitted. You get their testimony against the other two. Jake took the investigators to the guns. And taxpayers don't have to pay for 2 long death penalty trials. They should have made that deal all day long, every day. The goal is to put these murderers in prison. Two down without the expense of a trial, plus info and testimony.

Wonder whatever happened with that womens military style boot print found at one of the crime scenes. I would like to hear more about that before I can say AW wasn't there. I don't like dancing around the maypole.

Jake will lose his plea deal if he lies. He’ll be back to facing the death penalty. He’ll be stuck on death row the rest of his life, much more restrictive and unpleasant than the general prison environment. Never gets to go outdoors, only an hour per day outside of his cell. No mingling with others or getting exercise.

Jake isn’t going to lie. That’s very rarely done and theres no benefit in doing so.

Whats’s really strange is seeing any benefit to letting GW4 out of jail.

Oh he's going to have to lie if he testifies according to the proffer.

 

[Betty P]

Wonder whatever happened with that womens military style boot print found at one of the crime scenes. I would like to hear more about that before I can say AW wasn't there. I don't like dancing around the maypole.

Oh he's going to have to lie if he testifies according to the proffer.

I haven't read it yet, so I don't know. I think the prosecution would already know if he lied. They're not going to let him get on the stand to give false testimony. JMO

 

[dgfred]

out of this current discussion but: Do you guys and gals think LE would have found the guns without direction to them by JW?

 

[MTW2011]

That would be highly unusual. JMO. I doubt a court would stop a murder trial just for that.

I concur. And it’s not like that was filed (even electronically) as the morning testimony was going on.

I think with someone passing Judge a note, that it would relate more to something from the jury, and then it was brought up with both sides….

But it’s still strange. And judging by how secret (for lack of a better word) some of this trial has been so far, I don’t think we will find out the real cause unless it results in something that we - or reporters there - get to see happen in open Court [i.e.- juror replaced, more delays for juror sickness, etc]

 

[justtrish]

out of this current discussion but: Do you guys and gals think LE would have found the guns without direction to them by JW?

No, I don't think they would have found them, but I also don't think they needed them. They made the arrests without them. The gun expert this morning testified that he knew what guns the bullets were fired from based on what the bullets looked like. I love that they are going in order like this. It shows what they had BEFORE Jake or Angela gave their info. They knew the make of the guns just from how the bullets looked. It was very interesting. They could also tell the bullets were fired from the same gun based on the markings, but what I understood from the testimony is he could also tell the gun that fired the bullet.. not the specific one because he didn't have it to compare, but it was talking about different generations of guns and how the 4th and 5th had these characteristics and then eventually he narrowed it down to a 2nd generation (can't recall which one that was, but one of the murder weapons).

Later I think we will get the testimony from Jake about where they put the guns, then LE was able to recover them and compare and know that was the weapon used.

But, without having the weapons they still knew the type of gun and they had the lists on the computers of the exact guns that the W's had and used. Pretty cool stuff!

 

[24Roses]

I just posted this and then got to your post! Didn't mean to duplicate. Do you know if one of the W's are at the jail here being held?

No problem. Sorry, I have no idea where the other W's are being held. Others on here are much better at finding and knowing that info.

 

[ohioexpat63]

Are outside sources trying to get a mistrial? This is the weirdest trial Ive watched or followed.

 

[justtrish]

Well after asking about where the W's were being housed, I did some looking and it's George that is in Ross County jail. The Chillicothe municipal building had the threat yesterday and that is .2 mile from the Ross County jail. I doubt it's related, but interesting anyway.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

How many days do they say this trial is supposed to be?

 

[Cool Cats]

Wonder whatever happened with that womens military style boot print found at one of the crime scenes. I would like to hear more about that before I can say AW wasn't there. I don't like dancing around the maypole.

Oh he's going to have to lie if he testifies according to the proffer.

There was no woman's military style boot print found at one of the crime scenes. That boot is listed in the evidence though. Probably because she bought it but no proof she left a print of it at the crime scenes.

I believe Angie was home taking care of the kids. Can't leave them alone, too risky if one gets up and wanders around. Can't get a babysitter because they are then inserting a witness into their crimes, and can't take them along because then the kids become witnesses and would interfere etc...

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[Chelly]

How many days do they say this trial is supposed to be?

At start of trial Judge said 8-9 weeks (according to my notes and recollection.) I don't have a link.
However, at current speed it may last through November . IMO

 

[24Roses]

How many days do they say this trial is supposed to be?

DBM-already answered.