OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #74

[RAISINISBACK]

I wonder if Angie thinking that BJ's will get you sent to Hades is why Billy made so many trips to Mexico? lol

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I agree with this theory because... Tabitha testified that AW wanted her and her sister to meet up with Jake and George when Tabitha was 11. AW arranged the meeting. They went fishing and ATVing. They did this for three weekends then Tabitha started sleeping in George's bed at Angela and Billy's house. Tabitha said her sister didn't like Jake so she removed herself from the relationship. Also, Tabitha testified that her mother approved of this relationship and the fact that she was living with the Wagners and sleeping in George's bed.

I thought T said it was RW that hooked them up? maybe I am wrong.

JMO

 

[joe jones]

Finally made through 2 days of testimony.

WOW!!!!! Samantha and Tabitha made great witnesses for the defense.

In fact I saw George smiling really big at the lunch break today. N&P look like they are kicked back on a beach in Jamacia after about a dozen Margaritas with George in the middle of them writing down his drink order and the instructions on where N&P can find his bathing suit and suntan lotion. Or maybe he's passing Nash a reminder to use suntan lotion on that bald head or he is going to regret it.

Samantha threw Jake under the bus about 50 times but claimed George bought her kids Xmas presents and gave her money to pay her bills when she didn't have any money, towed and fixed her car, claimed Jake blamed everything on George. Made a great character witness for George but did not testify to one shred of evidence George was guilty of anything but being generous with his money and time.

Tabitha was a disaster for the prosecution. The defense caught her so many lies I lost count of them all. But she did manage to throw Angie under the bus about a thousand times. Defense totally impeached all her testimony, even that about her running for her life by riding a bicycle after dark. She admitted George came after her and tried to get her to come back home with him. Also admitted she bit George, tried to rip his cajones off and was screaming her head off in the yard so he supposedly slapped her. Maybe because she was off her meds and hysterical and upsetting their son? She also admitted she did not and was not going to call the police to file charges against George. He also got a court ordered protective order against her so apparently the judge didn't believe that hiding until dark then running for my life story. On top of that she admits George gave her the money and took her to pay the fine she got.

She claimed George, Jake and Billy burned the house down, but admitted she was not there so couldn't provide any evidence of that either.

Defense also impeached her testimony on the W's never allowing her to leave. George took her to school and she admitted she came and went from the W's home until George caught her cheating on him for the third time at which time he took her phone. Admitted also that the reason George didn't want her calling her mother is because her mother took her to meet up with her lover and George found out. George wouldn't let any of them come around after that meeting in which Tabitha and her sisters admitted their stepdad molested them but all of them refused to go to the police and report it. Tabitha even said to Hannah that the fact that her stepdad molested her did not bother at all now. Then the defense got Tabitha to admit she understood why George didn't want B around her family. Then she practically gave B away with her mother telling her she needed to make B her priority over some guy she swore she was in love with. But she signed him away anyway.

That business of Angie telling them when they could have sex or not giving George BJ's is not believable.

Defense got Tabitha to admit she was sleeping in George's bed and having sex with him at 11 years of age with Angie and I suppose Billy's knowledge. But yet Angie did not sit on the side of the bed when Tabitha was 11 years old and George was 14 and tell them they couldn't have sex except for procreation and if Tabitha gave George a BJ they would both go to Hades. According to Tabitha Angie sent her upstairs to sleep with George at 11 years of age to "comfort him". Then supposedly Angie gave them this no sex/no BJs talk when Tabitha was 19 and George was 22 and they were already married. What a load of BS.

On that enmeshed family, all for one, one for all, Tabitha shred that today with her testimony. She could only recount one time that George took Angie's side against her and that was with a mild "I didn't hear B crying." when asked. Then posted on FB that she had a wonderful, perfect life with her husband but screwed it up. Maybe by trying to rip his cajones off? Or did she screw it up by having numerous affairs and admitting to her husband she was incapable of being faithful.

No witness to that Angie making her leave the room so she could lie down beside George and scratch his back and talk over his days. I am calling BS on that one too after I heard today's testimony.

Once again 2 days of testimony goes by and still not one shred of evidence that puts George at the murder scene.

Let's recap this.

About 5 days of crime scene testimony. Another 4 days of DNA, ballistics, shoe print evidence, blood splatter and medical examiner/ coroner testimony. No evidence against George.

Next 5 days slinging mud at Jake hoping it splatters some on George in the jury's mind. Still no evidence against George.

One half day of slinging mud at Billy. Next two and half days of women praising and fawning all over George for his helpful ways and generosity while they both sling as much mud on Angie as they possibly can. Still no evidence against George.

16 days of not one shred of evidence George was in on planning, was at the murder scenes, or even knew about it until days later.

Heck I am still left here waiting for George to cross the WV border into Ohio during the night of the massacre.

AC has thrown so many red herrings all over her case, I have lost hope that she can get George a jaywalking ticket let alone a guilty verdict for 8 murders.

AC is relying solely on the testimony of Jake to place George at the scene. That is like depending on a broken stick to hold you up. Angie can't put him there either since her and Jake says she wasn't there.

Jake has told too many lies in media interviews and to LE to be believable and the defense is going to come after him and Angie like sharks after beachgoers. There is going to be a lot of blood in the water after Jake and Angie climb down off that witness stand.

I know that George is 100% guilty but I have a gut feeling he is going to walk free as a bird. Probably even come back and sue the state of Ohio for keeping him locked up for 4 years and win millions of dollars to go off and live his dream life in Alaska, dragging Tabitha who will be hanging onto his boots. I hope he falls into a very deep crack in one of those huge glaciers in AK.

Maybe tomorrow will be better.

JMO

My thoughts exactly, TC was a disaster on cross, AC should have elicited all the bad things on direct and allowed her to explain, and the witness that was supposed to explain the one for all and all for one attitude of the family didn't do a very good job, she gave BW a pass as she said he was seldom there, so only 3 members of the clan were there all the time, then oops GW was off hauling cattle for a week so 2 members of the clan left, she couldn't even testify to the family meetings as she wasn't present and had no idea if they voted as AC insists they did,

She testified to one incident of DV on behalf of GW and AW upon which she left, and was allowed to leave, even though her every waking move was controlled, and she was never allowed out when she chose to leave, she left, strange that.
She remarried pretty soon after her divorce and had had another baby who she had custody of so if she wanted her son back then she could have petitioned the court, I am sure as HR said in her messages, she could get her the money, or her mother, or her new husband,

one incident of DV is one too many so she was right to leave, and never go back, as was HR, so we are left with JW ex-wife to testify to the clan like nature of the family, but as the defense will point out she knew them post the murders and you cannot look into the past as to how they behaved pre the murders, to say that it is a consistent pattern, she can only testify to events after the murders

 

[joe jones]

She was at the W's around noonish she said. Took the infant to the hospital at 7PM. Then backtracked and said 4 hours later. Still too long for any of the W's to have given it to the baby. Xanax starts working after about 30 minutes to an hour.

JMO

a tiny amount of xanax would have affected a six-month-old pretty quickly, yet she was able to make it home and then have to wake her husband up to go to hospital, that drug was not given at the Wagners IMO

 

[Betty P]

I think the fact that Angie sent an 11 year old Tabitha upstairs to have sex with a 13 or 14 year old George makes both of them victims of sexual abuse. Then allowing them to have sex for a year after that?

Angie should get 30 years for that alone. She is a psychopath who didn't give a FHF about her son let alone someone else's daughter.

JMO

After their abnormal childhoods, Tabitha and George went different directions. Tabitha remained a victim, taken advantage of by the Wagners and others. George became the one who was abusive. He bought into his family's exhortations that he was better, superior and that others inferior could be made to serve him. He felt he was also a man on a mission with his family to rid themselves of a the Rhoden family, who threatened their lifestyle and stood up to their bullying. As often happens, George went from being manipulated to becoming the bully.

 

[Pru2U]

Finally made through 2 days of testimony.

WOW!!!!! Samantha and Tabitha made great witnesses for the defense.

In fact I saw George smiling really big at the lunch break today. N&P look like they are kicked back on a beach in Jamacia after about a dozen Margaritas with George in the middle of them writing down his drink order and the instructions on where N&P can find his bathing suit and suntan lotion. Or maybe he's passing Nash a reminder to use suntan lotion on that bald head or he is going to regret it.

Samantha threw Jake under the bus about 50 times but claimed George bought her kids Xmas presents and gave her money to pay her bills when she didn't have any money, towed and fixed her car, claimed Jake blamed everything on George. Made a great character witness for George but did not testify to one shred of evidence George was guilty of anything but being generous with his money and time.

Tabitha was a disaster for the prosecution. The defense caught her so many lies I lost count of them all. But she did manage to throw Angie under the bus about a thousand times. Defense totally impeached all her testimony, even that about her running for her life by riding a bicycle after dark. She admitted George came after her and tried to get her to come back home with him. Also admitted she bit George, tried to rip his cajones off and was screaming her head off in the yard so he supposedly slapped her. Maybe because she was off her meds and hysterical and upsetting their son? She also admitted she did not and was not going to call the police to file charges against George. He also got a court ordered protective order against her so apparently the judge didn't believe that hiding until dark then running for my life story. On top of that she admits George gave her the money and took her to pay the fine she got.

She claimed George, Jake and Billy burned the house down, but admitted she was not there so couldn't provide any evidence of that either.

Defense also impeached her testimony on the W's never allowing her to leave. George took her to school and she admitted she came and went from the W's home until George caught her cheating on him for the third time at which time he took her phone. Admitted also that the reason George didn't want her calling her mother is because her mother took her to meet up with her lover and George found out. George wouldn't let any of them come around after that meeting in which Tabitha and her sisters admitted their stepdad molested them but all of them refused to go to the police and report it. Tabitha even said to Hannah that the fact that her stepdad molested her did not bother at all now. Then the defense got Tabitha to admit she understood why George didn't want B around her family. Then she practically gave B away with her mother telling her she needed to make B her priority over some guy she swore she was in love with. But she signed him away anyway.

That business of Angie telling them when they could have sex or not giving George BJ's is not believable.

Defense got Tabitha to admit she was sleeping in George's bed and having sex with him at 11 years of age with Angie and I suppose Billy's knowledge. But yet Angie did not sit on the side of the bed when Tabitha was 11 years old and George was 14 and tell them they couldn't have sex except for procreation and if Tabitha gave George a BJ they would both go to Hades. According to Tabitha Angie sent her upstairs to sleep with George at 11 years of age to "comfort him". Then supposedly Angie gave them this no sex/no BJs talk when Tabitha was 19 and George was 22 and they were already married. What a load of BS.

On that enmeshed family, all for one, one for all, Tabitha shred that today with her testimony. She could only recount one time that George took Angie's side against her and that was with a mild "I didn't hear B crying." when asked. Then posted on FB that she had a wonderful, perfect life with her husband but screwed it up. Maybe by trying to rip his cajones off? Or did she screw it up by having numerous affairs and admitting to her husband she was incapable of being faithful.

No witness to that Angie making her leave the room so she could lie down beside George and scratch his back and talk over his days. I am calling BS on that one too after I heard today's testimony.

Once again 2 days of testimony goes by and still not one shred of evidence that puts George at the murder scene.

Let's recap this.

About 5 days of crime scene testimony. Another 4 days of DNA, ballistics, shoe print evidence, blood splatter and medical examiner/ coroner testimony. No evidence against George.

Next 5 days slinging mud at Jake hoping it splatters some on George in the jury's mind. Still no evidence against George.

One half day of slinging mud at Billy. Next two and half days of women praising and fawning all over George for his helpful ways and generosity while they both sling as much mud on Angie as they possibly can. Still no evidence against George.

16 days of not one shred of evidence George was in on planning, was at the murder scenes, or even knew about it until days later.

Heck I am still left here waiting for George to cross the WV border into Ohio during the night of the massacre.

AC has thrown so many red herrings all over her case, I have lost hope that she can get George a jaywalking ticket let alone a guilty verdict for 8 murders.

AC is relying solely on the testimony of Jake to place George at the scene. That is like depending on a broken stick to hold you up. Angie can't put him there either since her and Jake says she wasn't there.

Jake has told too many lies in media interviews and to LE to be believable and the defense is going to come after him and Angie like sharks after beachgoers. There is going to be a lot of blood in the water after Jake and Angie climb down off that witness stand.

I know that George is 100% guilty but I have a gut feeling he is going to walk free as a bird. Probably even come back and sue the state of Ohio for keeping him locked up for 4 years and win millions of dollars to go off and live his dream life in Alaska, dragging Tabitha who will be hanging onto his boots. I hope he falls into a very deep crack in one of those huge glaciers in AK.

Maybe tomorrow will be better.

JMO

I read & re-read this twice. The first time felt a little harsh then I realized my own defense hackles were raised. I realized I have six years of prejudice built up (as many here must also). I realize I (we) have been waiting so long to learn what really happened, now I'm soaking up every word of testimony, almost without question - and that is not how justice works. You could be the juror sitting right next to me, hearing the exact same testimony yet we have totally different interpretations.

While there are different points of view and plenty of room for disagreement, I do appreciate you rattling my prejudice cage. It was a good exercise in reality this morning.

 

[joe jones]

Even though I am critical of the state's case I expect GW to be convicted on most if not all charges, and that won't be because the state proves every element BARD but because the jury will convict him as he is the only one on trial and somebody needs to be punished for these crimes, I think this Judge has allowed the state to show graphic photos well beyond the probative value, and irrespective of any things they may feel were not proved as well as they would like
think
the jury is only human, and it would be so easy to convict GW just because he is Wagner, I also think GW is guilty of many of the charges, but am firmly of the view he never shot anybody

 

[CIA Team Member]

He was probably helping out some with running the farm, too. He may have also liked being back in his own room, with lots of space. IIRC from some photos of the bullet proof vests during one of the raids, it looked like he had a new, recently remodeled spa-type bathroom. Things were probably quieter and roomier at FWF.

Also, insurance companies/Medicare, et al pay you to be the caretaker of someone.

 

[Betty P]

Also, insurance companies/Medicare, et al pay you to be the caretaker of someone.

Thanks for that info. I'm not familiar with how that works, but he would be taking advantage of that. Wagners knew how to work every angle, including illegal ones, to make money.

 

[Betty P]

Evan Millward

@EvanMillward


PIKE COUNTY TRIAL: Jenkins and SA Trout met Billy in a Kroger parking lot - they interviewed him in Trout's Ford Taurus. Billy sat in front passenger seat, Jenkins sat in rear passenger. Interview was recorded - is being played for the jury

 

[CIA Team Member]

And told her they were going a few days before they left. Xanax doesn't suddenly kick in on a 6 month old child 4 to 7 hours later.

JMO

Medication is prescribed by weight of the patient. Xanax isn't prescribed/given to an infant/child for a reason.

 

[Betty P]

Judge Deering allowing recording of Billy's interview to be played. Purpose is to explain how the state conducted its investigation.

 

[Pru2U]

Also, insurance companies/Medicare, et al pay you to be the caretaker of someone.

THIS is information I could use right now!

 

[rescuemom]

a tiny amount of xanax would have affected a six-month-old pretty quickly, yet she was able to make it home and then have to wake her husband up to go to hospital, that drug was not given at the Wagners IMO

Why not??? The infant for a time too the parents probably appeared to be napping naturally until she was not!!

 

[arielilane]

TC's testimony bought it back for me... not sure if anyone remembers Frances Schreuder, she talked her son into murdering her father. Frances manipulated and abused her son, an unhealthy and unfortunate mother and son relationship. If I recall correctly it was all about the money. Frances worried about being taken out of her father's will. Much like AW, control factor...it's all about the money, securing her future at all cost. IMO

 

[Betty P]

THIS is information I could use right now!

Not sure, but here's a link for AARP

How to Receive Pay when Becoming a Family Caregiver

The best chance for receiving payment for family caregiving is if you are caring for someone with Medicaid or they are a US military veteran.

www.aarp.org

 

[Betty P]

Billy quick to say what a great guy Chris was. That meme about Billy being his best friend has been so prevalent on social media, but wasn't reality. I never believed it.

Billy also asking about whether they were working with local Pike County officials. Interesting. Wonder what that means.

Vance Walls, met Chris through him. Vance Walls in prison at that time.

Billy does sound like a real bully. Mentions his family, tries to bully the BCI agents.

 

[pcrum12]

can you all believe all this BS Billy is slinging lol

 

[Betty P]

can you all believe all this BS Billy is slinging lol

What's with trying to say Chris Sr was drinking? Trying to make it sound like Chris killed his own family? Last time he saw Chris, he got beat up, but he didn't admit that.

Called Hanna May his daughter in law? Accusing Hanna of having a relationship with a county deputy?

 

[arielilane]

With all do respect, I don't expect stellar testimonies, many of these witnesses are victims themselves, battered. Their lives have been tough and are fearful of the Ws and know that the Ws have connections. Hopeful OH law gets a conviction.