OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #75

[rsd1200]

IIRC, on my old timeline, we couldn't pinpoint a certain date they returned. I posted "Sometime in the Spring" of 2018, they returned. This was according to Gov. DeWine's press conference at the time of the arrests.

In July of 2018, the Pike County Grand Jury began hearing testimony from Rita Jo Newcomb about forging custody documents.

I think G4 came back at a later date. Maybe closer to the time, or after AW's father passed. Iirc, he was still there in 10/2018. I think he'd really liked it there. AW encouraged him back home, again, if memory serves. (Just catching up from Friday's Court Day)

 

[rsd1200]

Adults could've just gotten enhanced drivers license for going to Canada. Only other reason to get a passport is to travel internationally.

They may not have been easily available in Pike County at that time. They just became fairly easy to obtain here. Were advised to obtain a passport if needed. Main reason the 911 Act didn't go through as planned. Less affluent counties could not afford the equipment. Wonder if the $900 was for all four passports, and for them to be pushed through quickly.

Was there any Life Insurance for AW or GW3, or only for JW and GW4 ? I may have missed that.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Can anyone remember what day in the trial it was said George, Jake and the 2 kids were in the vehicle at Walmart when the shoes were bought? I want to go back and listen to it. TIA

 

[RAISINISBACK]

another thing about all the "does this evidence have to do with george" remember that if not for the death penalty ALL OF THESE DEFENDANTS WOULD BE TRIED TOGETHER. one trial for one murder conspiracy. therefore the seperate trials are for the defendants benefit, this does not change evidence or discovery. essentially each trial can contain the exact same evidence it applies to everybody in conspiracy. very plain english in law- any member of conspiracy is responsible for all members actions- even if they had no idea the actions took place. once your in, your all in.

I thought DP cases could not be tried together? Anyone know if this is true? IANAL

 

[Myland]

Jmo at first I thought it would be hard for Angela to testify against George but now I am not so sure. I can see her now saying what she needs to to save herself. Also will they tell in court all the stories Jake told at his proffer before the state was satisfied with a confession?

 

[rescuemom]

The defense attorneys never denied George was at the crime scenes. They just said he didn't shoot anyone.

Now they say he stayed home, why? Because they know that all the jury has to believe to convict George of murder is that he went along on the murders.

This is how it looks to me.

Never once in the Motions and Hearings did George's attorneys say he wasn't there. Never.

I think they changed their strategy because your client can't be along with his brother and dad while 8 murders are being committed.

I believe if the 12 jurors believe George went along, then they will convict him of murder, plain and simple.

Yes in the defense opening Nash said George wasn't there, that he didn't know until the next morning

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I do recall when Jake made his confession in court, the judge did say that he would be giving up his right to appeal his conviction.Check with @PrairieWind .

I do recall when Jake made his confession in court, the judge did say that he would be giving up his right to appeal his conviction.

BBM

Thank you Betty. I knew I could count on you to remember. Thank you for weighing in.

That question was getting stickier than a beehive in the summertime. ((Hugs))

 

[rsd1200]

I'm not sure what Monday is Niner, sorry. I know UK special days and that's it lol.

It used to be Columbus Day (still is on the Calendar) but then we learned more history.

 

[sunshineray]

Docket update for GW4:

10/07/2022 SUBPOENA ISSUED TO BARBARA MOORE
Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M

link: https://cpcourt.pikecounty.oh.gov/e...AXjtysgcD7Q22DTtkKPTeUyp16CUyRFZ4J8SFSHRrzGuw


How come her name sounds familiar??

Lawyer in West Union, OH

 

[RAISINISBACK]

My point for is that when prosecutors introduce evidence that jurors can relate to takes away from their case. Also when they introduce items that have nothing to do with murders some jurors may think oh my don’t come look at my house I have the same thing. Jmo

Very good point IMO.

 

[rsd1200]

I thought DP cases could not be tried together? Anyone know if this is true? IANAL

I think that's right. All must be tried separately in a DP Trial (at least in OH). Each requires a DP certified lawyer, or possibly two, on their team (again, iirc)

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I think G4 came back at a later date. Maybe closer to the time, or after AW's father passed. Iirc, he was still there in 10/2018. I think he'd really liked it there. AW encouraged him back home, again, if memory serves. (Just catching up from Friday's Court Day)

I wonder when he offered Tabitha that plane ticket for her and her daughter? If he stayed there alone was he thinking they might get back together without Angie around to interfere in their marriage? Just a thought.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Jmo at first I thought it would be hard for Angela to testify against George but now I am not so sure. I can see her now saying what she needs to to save herself. Also will they tell in court all the stories Jake told at his proffer before the state was satisfied with a confession?

AC already did in the pre trial hearings, so you absolutely know P&N are going to get that in during Jake's testimony so the jury can hear it. They will get him to admit that since it's a known fact recorded in the court. Also that AC said Jake' story did not mesh with the evidence BCI had.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes in the defense opening Nash said George wasn't there, that he didn't know until the next morning

George Wagner Documents | PDF

George Wagner Documents

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Yet no where in this Motion does Nash say George wasn't there, only that he shot nobody. He ignores the parts that say George was there at the scenes. Now in the opening George wasn't there and knew nothing.

By saying George shot nobody yet not denying that George was there, Nash makes it sound like he believes Jake when Jake says George was there.

Nash knows George cannot have been there to be acquitted of murder. Impossible to go along on 8 murders and get acquitted of them.

If any of us had gone to any of those crime scenes knowing what was going to happen we would definitely be found guilty of aggravated murder, conspiracy, tampering with evidence, and aggravated burglary as well as other charges.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

George Wagner Documents | PDF

George Wagner Documents

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Yet no where in this Motion does Nash say George wasn't there, only that he shot nobody. He ignores the parts that say George was there at the scenes. Now in the opening George wasn't there and knew nothing.

By saying George shot nobody yet not denying that George was there, Nash makes it sound like he believes Jake when Jake says George was there.

Nash knows George cannot have been there to be acquitted of murder. Impossible to go along on 8 murders and get acquitted of them.

It's going to be up to AC to get that information before the jury though. So far she hasn't addressed it. Remember the jury is not privy to pre trial hearings, just testimony and evidence in court. Not sure how she could unless she called George's attorneys to the stand or George himself. Or maybe the judge IDK.

I can easily see P&N getting in what she said about Jakes ever changing stories when they get him on the witness stand though.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

It's going to be up to AC to get that information before the jury though. So far she hasn't addressed it. Remember the jury is not privy to pre trial hearings, just testimony and evidence in court. Not sure how she could unless she called George's attorneys to the stand or George himself. Or maybe the judge IDK.

I can easily see P&N getting in what she said about Jakes ever changing stories when they get him on the witness stand though.

JMO

It will come up in court that the defense says George shot nobody. The defense has to say that Jake's proffer says this. It's critical to their case.

So then Canepa can say ok, you believe this part of Jake's proffer, then why do you choose NOT TO believe the parts of his proffer that says:

George went to the murders at the last minute.
George went to protect Jake from Billy.
George tried to talk them out of the murders but went along anyway. He didn't want them to go yet he himself goes.
George bought a suppressor.
George bought a truck for that night.
George modified the truck for that night.
George hid in the truck at Chris's.
George tried to shoot Chris but the oil suppressor got in the way.
George moved bodies at Chris's.
George was standing in Dana's house.
George practiced shooting suppressors on his property.
Angela's proffer said George voted for the murders and she confirmed it with him.

So the defense gets to pick and choose what they do and don't believe in Jake's proffer?

They zero in on one thing and ignore the rest.

I call BS. Jury will see through this in my opinion.

 

[justtrish]

George Wagner Documents | PDF

George Wagner Documents

www.scribd.com

Yet no where in this Motion does Nash say George wasn't there, only that he shot nobody. He ignores the parts that say George was there at the scenes. Now in the opening George wasn't there and knew nothing.

By saying George shot nobody yet not denying that George was there, Nash makes it sound like he believes Jake when Jake says George was there.

Nash knows George cannot have been there to be acquitted of murder. Impossible to go along on 8 murders and get acquitted of them.

If any of us had gone to any of those crime scenes knowing what was going to happen we would definitely be found guilty of aggravated murder, conspiracy, tampering with evidence, and aggravated burglary as well as other charges.

I think he chose his words wisely saying he didn't kill anyone so he could cater the defense in different ways later.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

It will come up in court that the defense says George shot nobody. The defense has to say that Jake's proffer says this. It's critical to their case.

So then Canepa can say ok, you believe this part of Jake's proffer, then why do you choose NOT TO believe the parts of his proffer that says:

George went to the murders at the last minute.
George went to protect Jake from Billy.
George bought a suppressor.
George bought a truck for that night.
George modified the truck for that night.
George hid in the truck at Chris's.
George tried to shoot Chris but the oil suppressor got in the way.
George moved bodies at Chris's.
George was standing in Dana's house.
George practiced shooting suppressors on his property.
Angela's proffer said George voted for the murders and she confirmed it with him.

So the defense gets to pick and choose what they do and don't believe in Jake's proffer?

They zero in on one thing and ignore the rest.

It will come up in court that the defense says George shot nobody.
BBM

IDK. I guess it's up to AC to get what George's attorneys said in pre trial motions in front of a jury. The jury wasn't at the pre trial motions so they never heard P&N say George shot nobody. So IDK how she can get what his attorneys said introduced in front of the jury in the trial.

But I am pretty sure how they are going to get what she said about Jake's ever changing stories and the evidence in his story that doesn't mesh with what BCI has in front of the jury. During cross examination of Jake. They have the proof from the transcript of those hearings to make him read out loud to the jury.

The defense has to say that Jake's proffer says this. It's critical to their case.

Actually the defense is claiming he wasn't even there that night in their opening statement to the jury. So far AC has not introduced any evidence to the jury in the trial that he was.
JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

It will come up in court that the defense says George shot nobody.
BBM

IDK. I guess it's up to AC to get what George's attorneys said in pre trial motions in front of a jury. The jury wasn't at the pre trial motions so they never heard P&N say George shot nobody. So IDK how she can get what his attorneys said introduced in front of the jury in the trial.

But I am pretty sure how they are going to get what she said about Jake's ever changing stories and the evidence in his story that doesn't mesh with what BCI has in front of the jury. During cross examination of Jake. They have the proof from the transcript of those hearings to make him read out loud to the jury.

The defense has to say that Jake's proffer says this. It's critical to their case.

Actually the defense is claiming he wasn't even there that night in their opening statement to the jury. So far AC has not introduced any evidence to the jury in the trial that he was.
JMO

I think it will be George's attorneys that will be the ones to tell the jury that Jake's proffer says George shot nobody. But Canepa can get Jake's testimony (proffer) in front of the jury simply by getting him on the stand and questioning him about his testimony (proffer). She could probably even play videos of Jake giving his proffer.

Jake's proffer appears to be full of proof that George went on the murders, planned for them, knew about them, and participated in them. All Canepa has to do is let Jake give all his testimony and she could even concede that Jake says George didn't shoot anyone but yet there will be all this other evidence from Jake of George's involvement.

So if the jury believes Jake's assertion that George shot nobody, I find it unrealistic that they would ignore all of his other testimony.

Why say George shot nobody, then say he went along on the murders and did all those other things. I think there will be enough believable testimony from Jake that convinces the jury that George was there that night and that meets Ohio's definition of being guilty of murder, of being part of the murder conspiracy.

You are right though, it is up to and critical that Canepa gets all of these points before the jury, concise and easy to understand.

Can she? Will she? I assume so, yet again, you make me think and wonder about it.

 

[Fat Old Man]

Remember what I said about the cattle rustlers here? All they do is cut the barbed wire fence and herd prime Angus steers into a cattle hauler. They then take them to Mexico where they trade them for drugs to bring back and sell in the USA. Maybe a 30 minute job on a dark night with a couple of good cutter ponies. About 20 to 25 prime Angus steers are worth around $100,000.00. It has gotten so bad in the last ten years OHP has been pulling over cattle haulers traveling late at night here and Texas rangers have also in TX. Kansas HP has also I heard.

You could fit 25 steers in that cattle hauler easily.

JMo

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