OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #75

[Chelly]

I trust AC and her team. She's been around the block a few times and has won some cases. She didn't get to be a special prosecutor for the Ohio AG for nothing.

All true.

 

[twall]

Discussion outside the presence of the jury.

 

[Niner]

Evan Millward
@EvanMillward
PIKE COUNTY TRIAL: Back from lunch, BCI's criminal intelligence analyst Julia Eveslage is on the stand. She testifies several days ago.

Now discussing Facebook accounts - had one for all victims except Chris Sr.

Noticed Hanna discussing control & abuse from Jake.



Eveslage made a PowerPoint with some highlights from Hanna's FB conversations.










link: https://twitter.com/evanmillward

Don't if you can read those powerpoint slides. I made the large size.


and that will be that last tweets from me until the morning.

 

[Betty P]

Calling a recess for discussion. GW4's attorneys are trying to suppress the evidence from FB messages.

GW4's are fighting this evidence really hard, so it must be damning evidence against George

JMO, we learned yesterday that George was as controlling and abusive as the rest of his family when it came to the young wives/mothers.

The current testimony is from Tweets in the latter part of 2015, showing how Jake was behaving very badly towards Hanna.

It lends credence to the fact that the Wagner family unit began planning these murders well in advance. Hanna had left Jake in 2015, he was upset, fighting with her, trying to take S away, have her declared unfit. That was causing a tension and animosity to build up in the Wagner family, eventually pushing them to vote on murdering the Rhodens.

 

[Niner]

and an FYI - tomorrow is GW4's 31st birthday....

 

[Chelly]

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James Pilcher
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Actually in a recess - going into chambers.
@local12

 

[rsd1200]

It shows to me that BCI was no investigating the Wagners from day 1. The interview with Billy was nearly 5 months later. So defense trying to say they just focused in on the Wagners and didn't investigate anyone else would be false. BCI in this interview said they wanted to talk to him because they received tips about a fight. He cleared that up and said there wasn't one. But, he continued to ramble. I think most could listen to that one interview and raise an eyebrow at what was said. It shows they followed up on what Billy said and none of the suspects he threw out panned out, but things might have kept pointing right back to the Wagners.

How many cases have we seen the someone else did it theory and LE just picked someone and focused in and didn't check out anything else. This is laying groundwork I think that they didn't do that here and that they went down other paths that all lead back to the Wagners.

But hadn't he been the one W they couldn't get an interview from? He was always away. That day they just drove to the grocery, to meet him. He was probably hoping to get gone before they arrived.

 

[rescuemom]

@joe jones I brought over one of your posts from the closed thread.


Or she could have not called her at all. Tabitha did not testify to anything that could be remotely called evidence to put George at the crime scenes. Neither did Samantha. AC would have been much better off leaving these two sitting at home. But she is so busy trying to prove what an enmeshed family the W's are because that is the only motive she can find for George to even be involved. AC has said over and over one for all, all for one. She is trying too hard to prove that statement because all she has placing George at the scene is Jake. Angie can't place him there, her proffer says she stayed home. Even if she says George was with them when they left his attorneys are going say George got into an argument with Billy or Jake and made them let him out to walk home or to FWF. If Angie swears he was there because she saw him her deal is off and the DP is back on, so get ready to hear about a thousand "objection, hearsay" during her testimony.

Count on them doing the same thing to EW as they did to Tabitha. And probably succeed.

If this is the best AC has and the defense knows it they are going to go after Jake hard. The problem I see is the state did not try to find enough evidence to convict George. They just got too excited and arrested all 4 W's along with FW and Rita. They should have arrested AW, they had evidence on her and JW, they had evidence on him and Rita for perjury. Those three would have brought Billy and George down. but the state lost their chance on George by jumping the gun. They can only try him once and if the jury does not convict he can publish it in the NYT and laugh all the way to his dream life in AK with his son. He might even get custody of SW since he would be her closest relative.

They better wait on Billy's trial until he gets tired of sitting in jail and confesses.

MY opinion. AC has dumped several boatloads of red herrings all over her case against George. And she has called too many witnesses to sling dirt all over Jake and Angie to rehabilitate their credibility with the jury now. Guaranteed the jury HATES both Jake and Angie and it is hard to believe someone you absolutely hate. Ac needs to pull a miracle out of her hat quickly.

JMO

Would you rather AC just tell the jury that the family dynamic was one for all, etc. and expected that to carry the day or subsequent days without any foundation, examples or background of that dynamic?? You hearing everything so far, would you have imagined what you know now?

AC has not gotten to the Ws as suspects yet. She may be slow but we've got all the time in the world for her to complete her case, she's asking questions, covering details that I would want to ask if I could.

The defense will object any time it gets too close to the truth and to throw the witness and flow/timing off. Nash is an unprofessional bully and a sore loser because he knows deep down he ain't gonna win this one.

ACs red herrings in the case will bring the miracle I believe. The jury may hate both AW and JW and have you thought that maybe AC doesn't need or care about their credibility? If they testify truthfully per the proffer, great. If they lie or testify differently, so be it. Maybe she hopes or is confident that they won't or can't stick to the proffer and knew that from the beginning. All 4 may end up with the DP.

She has AW and JW convicted for now and combined with all of the info from this trial, GW4 will spend a good amount of time in prison. You write as though GW4 will skate from all of his 22 charges, I doubt that. For me, I don't need to know who killed who. The 8 victims are dead. This family, all 4 of these twisted minds came up with, prepared and covered up a plan to kill 8 innocent people.

 

[rescuemom]

I am compelled to agree with @RAISINISBACK. AC is waisting too much of the jury's time pointing out the Wagners are a bad family. The jury gets that by now. AC needs to begin focusing on George's involvement.

Oh no they just think they get it.

 

[Chelly]

Calling a recess for discussion. GW4's attorneys are trying to suppress the evidence from FB messages.

GW4's are fighting this evidence really hard, so it must be damning evidence against George

Oh darn, I blinked and missed this. Is defense objecting to publishing all the FB evidence?

 

[joe jones]

I trust AC and her team. She's been around the block a few times and has won some cases. She didn't get to be a special prosecutor for the Ohio AG for nothiCng.

At least one of GW4's attorneys is a corporate trial attorney, they're professional courtroom bulldogs.

I think she is a poor attorney; she has waisted days with testimony that never relates to GW, we get it, AC argument is one for all ad nauseum, I am sure the jury can recite it in their sleep, but even the jury must be saying but what about GW, yes, it is conspiracy, but we have had no evidence so far of any conspiring relating to the murders

she will not win this case by just banging on about they did everything together, she has to show some evidence of conspiracy to commit murder,

she has a need to get witnesses to repeat an answer and then goes back and asks it again, we have days of TC adding nothing, we do not need more information about HR and JW, the jury have a clear idea of the relationships, the dynamics and now we need to hear about GW not JW or AW or BW,

 

[rsd1200]

In the state of Ohio if he was present and conspired he is going to prison, that will be proven. He doesn't have to shoot anyone.

BIBM

The road may be long to get there, but I'm along for the ride.

 

[Betty P]

It shows to me that BCI was no investigating the Wagners from day 1. The interview with Billy was nearly 5 months later. So defense trying to say they just focused in on the Wagners and didn't investigate anyone else would be false. BCI in this interview said they wanted to talk to him because they received tips about a fight. He cleared that up and said there wasn't one. But, he continued to ramble. I think most could listen to that one interview and raise an eyebrow at what was said. It shows they followed up on what Billy said and none of the suspects he threw out panned out, but things might have kept pointing right back to the Wagners.

How many cases have we seen the someone else did it theory and LE just picked someone and focused in and didn't check out anything else. This is laying groundwork I think that they didn't do that here and that they went down other paths that all lead back to the Wagners.

True, as many suspected, BCI had been looking at a lot of other people besides the Wagners. They didn't start interviewing Wagners until several months after the murders. JMO, it sounds like the Wagners (probably Jake and Angela) were sending in all these "tips" to BCI keeping them focused on other suspects.

As Charlie Reader said "All the lies they told us....."

JMO, BCI and PCSD were probably reluctant to tangle with Fredericka Wagner and her attorneys until they felt they had a good case. They had to get enough evidence for search warrants. All those Pike County judges knew FW.

 

[Betty P]

Oh darn, I blinked and missed this. Is defense objecting to publishing all the FB evidence?

Couldn't hear, but they were trying to stop AC from allowing this agent to testify about the FB messages of the victims.

 

[ColMustard]

Defense wants no mention of the fight between BW and CRsr.

 

[twall]

Oh darn, I blinked and missed this. Is defense objecting to publishing all the FB evidence?

yes, they must have went into chambers to go over every slide in the power point the BCI agent prepared while she sits there and waits.

 

[justtrish]

and an FYI - tomorrow is GW4's 31st birthday....

Would be a nice birthday present to have mommy dearest testify.. lol

 

[Chelly]

BIBM

The road may be long to get there, but I'm along for the ride.

Maybe the jury is beginning to disagree. The last thing the prosecutor should do is anger the jury. The prosecutor should be putting herself in the seat of the juror. What is the juror seeing and hearing? What is the juror thinking of this evidence? Am I making any sense to the juror? Are the witnesses confusing the juror? Who is on trial here?

 

[Skully67]

Maybe the jury is beginning to disagree. The last thing the prosecutor should do is anger the jury. The prosecutor should be putting herself in the seat of the juror. What is the juror seeing and hearing? What is the juror thinking of this evidence? Am I making any sense to the juror? Are the witnesses confusing the juror? Who is on trial here?

Maybe AC did a mock jury first to see how things would fly. I was on one of those once. Got paid for my time.

 

[Chelly]

AC has put years of her life into investigating and prosecuting these eight overwhelming murders. She has been eating, drinking, breathing the Rhoden murders. It is almost like she has taken these murders personally. Maybe she has become too close to these murders to prosecute logically. Opinion only