OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #76

[pittsburghgirl]

Quoting myself because too late to edit-correcting my mistake-after reading this again I realize there are 2 guns on 1 line and not a .40 Cal Glock. It is a Beretta .40 Cal. Sorry!

For a refresher, this is the list on Jake's phone. I was attempting to listen again and mark off the ones mentioned today as being at FWF, and then I heard AC just say 17 of the guns found at FWF were on this list. I'm going to quit going back through testimony. lol I will say 17 of them, plus the 3 murder weapons, and I recall 5 traded guns for some work to be done were on a recipt also found.. so if those were also part of this list.. it's quite a few that match up and would suggest this is a list of guns owned and not a list of gun on a wish list.
George’s

**Glock 17
9mm Berreta 96 40 cal
Taurus revolver 357
Remington 514 22
Remington target master 22
Winchester 94 30-30
Enfeild mk2 303
Emfeild mk2 carbine 303
Remington 870 camo 12g
Remington 870 trap 12g
Remington 1187 270
Ruger m77 270
Ruger m m77 22 hornet
Remington wood master 30-06
Ruger m77 22
Cz 22
SKS 7 62 39

Dad’s

Couch gun 12g
Bull barret 22 mag
22/20g over/under
Kodioke 30-06
**Beretta 92 9mm
**Deringer
Mk2 Ruger 22-45
**Cz 223
**Kel-tech pmr 30 22mag

Moms

Taurus 145 9mm
American 22
Cricket 22

Sophia

Cricket 22



Jake’s

Remington score master 22 black
Remington target master 22 satin
Ruger 10/22 olive green
Rossi 410/22 olive green
Remington 870 wingmaster
Reington870 wingmaster black
Remington 870 trap black gloss
Haca (Ifaca?) m31 12g black
Mossberg 835 12g
Winchester 94 30-30 olive green
Winchester 94-17 black
Rossi 45LC
Browning about 270 wsm sliver
Springfield A303 gloss black
Springfield 1903 satin black
Enfeild mk1 303 satin black
Enfeild mk2 303 black
Taurus 145 millennium 45acp
Colt 1911/22
**TC triumph 50cal

Here's the list Irish put up; it's on page 8. I'm not sure what the asterisks denote. But there is def a Glock here, plus the Beretta.

 

[justtrish]

Wednesday’s session is expected to begin with a hearing over a ruling by the 4th District Court of Appeals regarding Deering’s restrictions on the media showing exhibits and evidence during the trial. That court ruled the media should be allowed to photograph or video any exhibits, but defense lawyers asked for a hearing about the ruling.

Prosecutors declined to say who is testifying next Wednesday morning, saying only that more evidence would be introduced.

Jake and Angela are expected to testify for the prosecution at some point, but not until at least next week.

https://local12.com/news/local/prosecutions-case-to-focus-on-flying-w-ranch-tuesday-in-george-wagner-trial-cincinnati-waverly-pike-county-ohio-rhoden-gilley-shoes-custody-documents-silencers-billy-angela-jake

Since they are introducing all the items found at FWF, I wonder if FW will be on the stand tomorrow or Thursday. Seems they introduce some evidence and then someone that might know about it. She would know where Billy stayed at the house, which items belonged to Billy, Angela, Jake, and George.

Is she required to testify? Her case was dropped or was it put on hold until these trials? Drawing a blank on her situation. Would she be considered a hostile witness if the prosecution calls her?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I always put myself in the eyes, ears and thoughts of the jury.

If I were a juror, I would be unhappy to sit though an overkill of possibly unrelated evidence. Especially during an unusually long trial. Just an opinion.

Sometimes it does wear jurors down. MOO

 

[justtrish]

Here's the list Irish put up; it's on page 8. I'm not sure what the asterisks denote. But there is def a Glock here, plus the Beretta.

I was going through the testimony from this morning and putting an ** by the ones that were mentioned and admitted into evidence from Jake's list. I heard AC say that 17 of the guns on that list were recovered at FWF and then that answered my question so I quit going through it, but I could finish up in the morning while listening to tomorrows testimony. I was just attempting to check them off to see how many were on Jake's list, but AC said later that 17 were.

Then we know the 3 from the murders are there and last week one of the BCI agents introduced a receipt for I believe construction on the Peterson road house that was done and 5 guns for $1800 were exchanged, but I didn't see which 5 on the paper they showed. It was blurry. That accounts for 8 more guns.

 

[twall]

Since they are introducing all the items found at FWF, I wonder if FW will be on the stand tomorrow or Thursday. Seems they introduce some evidence and then someone that might know about it. She would know where Billy stayed at the house, which items belonged to Billy, Angela, Jake, and George.

Is she required to testify? Her case was dropped or was it put on hold until these trials? Drawing a blank on her situation. Would she be considered a hostile witness if the prosecution calls her?

Initially, Billy Wagner’s mother, Fredericka Wagner, also was charged in connection with Ohio’s largest and most expensive homicide case.

Prosecutors initially accused her of lying during 2018 grand jury testimony about where she bought two bulletproof vests in 2016 (she bought them on eBay).

The obstruction and perjury charges were dismissed against her in March 2019.

Jury gets another look at key piece of evidence in Pike County massacre case: Walmart shoes

His brother and mother are expected to testify against him soon

www.fox19.com

 

[rebelchild]

Things that stuck out to me in this photo-gun on top of a Bible story book, Little House books (read them all and watched the tv show as a child!) and a fire extinguisher!

Don't forget the earache drops ... I'm sure those came in handy after blasting all those guns he owned.

 

[sunshineray]

Then that may put them back on Peterson, throwing my little theory totally off the rails. Unless he's talking the barn on Bethel, but, weren't they putting a concrete floor in the barn at Peterson? I may be like OP, and had a vivid dream.

I haven't rewatched the opening statements. I could be mistaken.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Another poster says his jury is death qualified I missed learning that, His defense team will have to be qualified to defend a capital murder charge x 8 I would assume

The only defense attorney who is DP certified is JP Parker, and to my knowledge...Nash is not.

Also during voir dire the jurors were asked about DP so they are a DP selected jury. All MOO.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I was going through the testimony from this morning and putting an ** by the ones that were mentioned and admitted into evidence from Jake's list. I heard AC say that 17 of the guns on that list were recovered at FWF and then that answered my question so I quit going through it, but I could finish up in the morning while listening to tomorrows testimony. I was just attempting to check them off to see how many were on Jake's list, but AC said later that 17 were.

Then we know the 3 from the murders are there and last week one of the BCI agents introduced a receipt for I believe construction on the Peterson road house that was done and 5 guns for $1800 were exchanged, but I didn't see which 5 on the paper they showed. It was blurry. That accounts for 8 more guns.

Thanks!

 

[pittsburghgirl]

The only defense attorney who is DP certified is JP Parker, and to my knowledge...Nash is not.

Also during voir dire the jurors were asked about DP so they are a DP selected jury. All MOO.

I think you only need one DP qualified attorney.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

If anyone knows... does the ruling for the media today mean Angela and Jake's testimony can be televised?

IMO.... No. That's an entirely different can of worms. However, it just might open that can of "worms" too, MOO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I think you only need one DP qualified attorney.

That's correct.

 

[Cool Cats]

I think you only need one DP qualified attorney.

All 4 Wagners need 2 DP qualified attorneys. Because it's DP they must be tried separately.

Rule 120-1-10 - Ohio Administrative Code | Ohio Laws

codes.ohio.gov

(I) Death specification cases.

(1) Where the juvenile or adult defendant is charged with aggravated murder with death penalty specifications, or has been convicted and sentenced to death, any attorney appointed for trial, appellate, post-conviction, or habeas corpus representation must be certified by the Ohio supreme court commission on appointment of counsel in capital cases.

Each Wagner must have 2 Death Penalty attorneys and all 8 of these attorneys have had to have specialized training and certification to be able to practice law in Death Penalty Cases.

Supreme Court of Ohio and the Ohio Judicial System

Capital Defense Training Requirements

In the two-year period prior to seeking certification for appointment as trial counsel for indigent defendants in capital cases pursuant Appt.Coun.R. 3.02 or 3.03 and every two years thereafter, an attorney shall satisfactorily complete at least twelve hours of training on the defense of capital cases accredited by the Commission on Appointment of Counsel in Capital Cases.

Those seeking certification for appointment as appellate counsel pursuant to Appt.Coun.R. 3.04, shall in the two-year prior to seeking certification and every two years thereafter, satisfactorily complete at least twelve of training on the defense of capital cases, of which at least six hours shall be on the appeal of capital cases.

Commission on Appointment of Counsel in Capital Cases

The Commission on Appointment of Counsel in Capital Cases administers the requirements of the Rules for Appointment of Counsel in Capital Cases including the certification of attorneys who are eligible to be appointed to represent indigent capital defendants.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

If I am wrong about how many DP attorneys are needed then I humbly bow to CC's expertise. It's all yours now.

 

[Cool Cats]

If I am wrong about how many DP attorneys are needed then I humbly bow to CC's expertise. It's all yours now.

HA!

I remember when the trials started a big deal was made out of why were the Wagner's having to be tried separately? It was because they were DP defendants. Also, how they each had to have 2 DP attorneys with DP training requirements.

I remember this for sure. Ohio DP law.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Here's the list Irish put up; it's on page 8. I'm not sure what the asterisks denote. But there is def a Glock here, plus the Beretta.

I thought the BCI gun guy said the Glock 17 is a .22.

The berretta is a .40 cal.

The BCI gun guy Matt White said Chris, Gary and Kenny were killed with a .40 cal Glock, 2nd generation. He was very certain about that on direct a few days ago. Even said what Generation the Glock was, 2nd indicating it was an older model Glock .40. since Glock is up to 5th generation now. So it wasn't on the list. Sorry had to go back and listen to the gun guy again from a while ago.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I was going through the testimony from this morning and putting an ** by the ones that were mentioned and admitted into evidence from Jake's list. I heard AC say that 17 of the guns on that list were recovered at FWF and then that answered my question so I quit going through it, but I could finish up in the morning while listening to tomorrows testimony. I was just attempting to check them off to see how many were on Jake's list, but AC said later that 17 were.

Then we know the 3 from the murders are there and last week one of the BCI agents introduced a receipt for I believe construction on the Peterson road house that was done and 5 guns for $1800 were exchanged, but I didn't see which 5 on the paper they showed. It was blurry. That accounts for 8 more guns.

Possibly two from the murders are there. the BCI gun guy testified to that today. An SKS that may have been capable of shooting a .30 cal I think and the 1911 Walther Colt .22.
He did not mention the Glock .40 2nd generation that he said was the gun that shot Chris, gary and Kenny because it was not on the list.

the .40 on the list is not a Glock, it is a Berretta,

the Glock 17 on the list is a .22 not a .40 caliber.

JMO

 

[Niner]

For Tuesday, 10/11

James Pilcher
@jamespilcher
Afternoon testimony of Perry Roeser from BCI in Wagner Pike Co. murder trial is going through all the guns seized at the Wagner Flying W ranch.

So far, nothing interesting and they have not introduced the murder weapons yet as they are tracking what investigators found. But they did introduce a 9 mm Beretta found at the ranch apparently bought by George Wagner just five days after the murders

It had a grim reaper etched into the handle grips.

Found a black and white camouflaged coat with blood stains on it.

Next up a bulletproof vest found at ranch. Defense objects leading to another sidebar



Judge sustains the objection and orders image taken down of bulletproof vest and jury to disregard. Can't introduce it after all.

Now introducing leg holsters for pistols and more ammunition. Another objection and judge calls them back to the bench.

Again sustained. Apparently not going to introduce that.

BCI Agent Roeser also introduces a notebook and items he says could have been parts of a homemade silencer. Now onto cross-examination.

Defense asks Roeser if he knew who owned any of the guns - he says he didn't know but that wasn't his job at the time.

We're on the afternoon break. We expect BCI firearms expert Matt White to return to the stand to talk about all the guns seized at the Flying W this afternoon.



link: https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

 

[Niner]

James Pilcher
@jamespilcher
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10h
Matt White says it was after May 2017 (when searches happened and guns seized) that he identified the 1911 Colt Walther .22 as the handgun in the crime that matched the shell casings. So he had to examine all the .22 guns found at the Flying W.

Now going through the comparison of the shell casings found at scene v. all the .22 guns at the Flying W.

They even test fired the Cricket children's .22 rifles.

Also eliminated the other .30 caliber rifle found at Flying W.

White asked if he recognize the makes and models and calibers on a list he was handed (not identifying it but it is the list from Jake Wagner's phone)

Asked if there is a SKS 732 on the list under the name George - yes (after objection overruled).

Asks about the 1911 .22 caliber on the list - and whose name it was under on the list. Again an objection and bench meeting

Identified as Colt 1911 .22 under Jake's on that list. White says he was never given a 1911 Colt to examine. Also a .40 caliber on the list under George's name.

White was never given a .40 caliber to examine

Pulls out the two 9 mm Berettas with the grim reaper grips now. One was threaded v. non threaded - threaded allows silencer or suppressor to be attached.

Correction to earlier tweet - the Beretta was not found next to the Rural King receipt with George's name on it. That receipt was found during the search of the trailers on May 12.

Back to list and another rifle - under Jake the Enfield .303 says black. Under George's name that model doesn't list a color. The one introduced had a brown wood stock.

Now onto cross examination by defense, asks if he knew who made the list in question. White does not. Only saw it here in court. Parker asks if the .22 weapons he fired were precluded from investigation - White says they were excluded.

Asked about .40 caliber shell found at scene. List includes Beretta 96 .40 caliber.

Redirect - was not provided all the guns collected in search. Not provided a 12-gauge shotgun (although it was taken in the search).

That does it for Matt White - and we're done for the day. I'll try to find out who's on tap for tomorrow, but we expect more BCI to talk about other evidence found at Flying W.

Defense once again tries for mistrial after jury leaves - based on introduction of all these non-related guns. Overruled - prosecution says it will get to consipiracy based on the list and George calling it "a wish list"



link: https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

 

[Lillymac]

HA!

I remember when the trials started a big deal was made out of why were the Wagner's having to be tried separately? It was because they were DP defendants. Also, how they each had to have 2 DP attorneys with DP training requirements.

I remember this for sure. Ohio DP law.

Are the Wagners attorneys court appointed?