OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #77

[Caylee Advocate]

That's why I don't feel that AW or any of them , actually "hacked", into the FB messages. With only a bit of research they could have had those laptops totally free of evidence before they even started searching for items and reading messages. Simpletons.

Perhaps someone was feeding info to the W's?? Just a thought. I can visualize at least 2 who could be fueling the flames, MOO.

 

[sunshineray]

I understand this and respect defense attorneys and the job they have in front of them. What I don't agree with is for them to use any tactic they can like confusing a jury or trying to create a stir over one way that isn't relevant just to make it confusing. I mean the evidence they have is what they have, then to distract from it instead of focusing on a solid defense like, he was not involved, wasn't there, or something else like he was manipulated by his mom and is a victim also.. it just doesn't sit well with me. At this point we don't even know what his defense actually is. We just have his attorneys trying to discredit witnesses, even BCI agents. Did you hear them today asking if any civilians were there at the border. Does he actually want to foster the idea that Tabatha was there with BCI to see her son while BCI was there trying to interview witnesses? This is the type of thing I just can't agree with.

I agree. I do though understand the defense trying to discredit witnesses. I think that's their job, especially in a DP case which this still is at the moment. How they go about does matter though, IMO. Not being prepared is also unacceptable as happened today. They can't lay blame on the prosecution for their own shortcomings. I'm glad the judge is starting to focus in on that kind of shenanigans. They also really can't think they can bring up certain things in defense without having their client on the stand. It's a fine line. Hope the judge stays the course and keeps both sides honorable. AJMO

 

[Dudly]

I agree. I do though understand the defense trying to discredit witnesses. I think that's their job, especially in a DP case which this still is at the moment. How they go about does matter though, IMO. Not being prepared is also unacceptable as happened today. They can't lay blame on the prosecution for their own shortcomings. I'm glad the judge is starting to focus in on that kind of shenanigans. They also really can't think they can bring up certain things in defense without having their client on the stand. It's a fine line. Hope the judge stays the course and keeps both sides honorable. AJMO

Deering has his hands full. He has to try to get the case through the court system without a mistrial. He does not want that to be his legacy…

 

[Pru2U]

Here's one thing that caught my attention today: Angela answering Billy's phone and using Jake's phone to call her mother.

How many of you answer your SO's cell phone? Or know the pass code to it - or your adult child's phone? How many of you pick up another family member's cell phone and use it to make phone calls?

We aren't secretive in our house but we are respectful. We don't touch other's phones, don't share passwords to e-mail. I don't get into his wallet and he doesn't go in my purse. It's not a rule or anything. In 30+ years, I'm not sure we've ever even talked about it. We just don't.

I wonder if anyone on the jury caught that?

 

[sunshineray]

Here's one thing that caught my attention today: Angela answering Billy's phone and using Jake's phone to call her mother.

How many of you answer your SO's cell phone? Or know the pass code to it - or your adult child's phone? How many of you pick up another family member's cell phone and use it to make phone calls?

We aren't secretive in our house but we are respectful. We don't touch other's phones, don't share passwords to e-mail. I don't get into his wallet and he doesn't go in my purse. It's not a rule or anything. In 30+ years, I'm not sure we've ever even talked about it. We just don't.

I wonder if anyone on the jury caught that?

Exactly the same at my house, like you said respectful. Did AW even have her own phone? I don't recall it being said if they confiscated one from her...they got her iPad info though. Maybe that's what she carried around? Have two little ones you'd think she'd have a cell for emergencies when she was out with them.

Good catch!

 

[Pru2U]

I'm going back looking in the first few threads. I think BCI releases the 911 call on the second or third day after the murders. It's interesting to read, everyone thought it was cartels, mostly because of the way AG DeWine talked about the commercial, sophisticated, huge grow ops.

I remember hearing it on national news. I thought it was drug related before they ever mentioned the mj grow. I don't remember thinking cartel, just drugs. But harder drugs than mj. When the custody theory came up, I couldn't wrap my head around that idea until they moved to AK & DeWine put out the press release and even then I struggled with it because he stopped short of naming them persons of interest. I was convinced it was drugs until I saw an interview K Rhoden did talking about how that drug talk hurt fund raising, reward money & leads drying up - but I still couldn't wrap my mind around 8 people being murdered in 4 different locations over custody. Boy was I naive!

 

[ColMustard]

Perhaps someone was feeding info to the W's?? Just a thought. I can visualize at least 2 who could be fueling the flames, MOO.

Agent Eveslage presented the evidence showing those messages on W's device, whichever it was, phone or laptop.

When those text pictures are on the screen I stand up and read them 4ft from the tv.

Not saying they didn't get info through other means, but the "...have to kill me" conversation came from the W's possession.

 

[ohioexpat63]

I wouldnt consider touching my wife's phone, even if ringing nonstop. it is definitely a respect thing, trust too.

 

[Sillybilly]

Has a moderator declined us from speaking about Topix since it's been mentioned in court and elaborated on by Julia today explaining what Topix was about.

Topix as a source is off limits here, but members can discuss what is said in court as part of trial discussion.

No derogatory comments, or linking to or bringing information to WS though .

 

[ColMustard]

Topix as a source is off limits here, but members can discuss what is said in court as part of trial discussion.

No derogatory comments, or linking to or bringing information to WS though

No problem there, it's completely vanished, not archived anywhere that a commoner can find. If only there was an archive, I think Ws might be easy to spot now.

I bet Ms. Eveslage knows where it is. You could tell by her timestamps, she worked all hours on this case.

 

[rsd1200]

I went to Start>Settings>System>Sound and could not find it so I Googled and found the fix for Windows 10 which I am using-

Hear all sounds in one channel​

Windows lets you convert stereo sound into a single channel so you can hear everything, even if you're using just one headphone. Select the Start button, then select Settings > Ease of Access > Audio, and then switch on the toggle under Turn on mono audio.

I have Win10 as well but, was not thinking. I have mine set up with my most used options pinned. I left click the

Windows Start (four blue squares) pinned to my taskbar,
My Settings cog, is pinned under that; Left click it,
Then Sound is right there. Left click it and choose Mono.

Should've thought about that and just not posted my solution, honestly.
My system is set up specifically for me. No one else is permitted to use it.

 

[justtrish]

I agree. I do though understand the defense trying to discredit witnesses. I think that's their job, especially in a DP case which this still is at the moment. How they go about does matter though, IMO. Not being prepared is also unacceptable as happened today. They can't lay blame on the prosecution for their own shortcomings. I'm glad the judge is starting to focus in on that kind of shenanigans. They also really can't think they can bring up certain things in defense without having their client on the stand. It's a fine line. Hope the judge stays the course and keeps both sides honorable. AJMO

For sure hold them accountable as well as those on the stand, but the things I am speaking of are:
Suggesting a BCI agent is looking at tax documents when that wasn't even what was presented. It was a distraction and sorta throw in because she said she looked at all the papers in the tub.

Asking about civilians at the border basically playing into George's rantings on the tape about Tabatha being there and seeing Vine. It has nothing to do with George killing people. Why would BCI bring a child's mother from Ohio to this? And after all that talking on tape that is what they wanted to focus on because they have nothing else. This is what I mean. It seems worse to me than just not having a question for the witness.

 

[rsd1200]

LOL at George's rant going on and on to Angela. I missed this because I thought court was over and then they played the entire conversations.

He is blaming people from FB and Topix for planting evidence at their farm. LOL

Also why the heck would BCI drive to Alaska? I am pretty sure it makes more sense to just fly, but George swears he sees an Ohio BCI car following them? I guess it's possible they would drive, but why?

I thought it was over too and have had to go back. I'm still not sure I've heard all of it. At this point, I'll just take everyone's word for it that it was damning evidence against GW4, until I get the chance to go back and listen to it all (I know it's important and will listen but didn't have it in me, to do more than skip through it this evening).

 

[rsd1200]

I think there lives were so filled with hate and feelings of being better and more deserving than anyone else. When they weren't talking about trucks or themselves, their conversations were filled with trash talking everyone else and blaming everyone else. There conversations with each other only led to bitterness and an all consuming anger. You can hear it simmering, in every conversation, if they feel like they are losing control they start blaming and puffing out their chests. If you notice they barely listen to each other, and talk over each other unless the conversation pertains to something they want to know. The only part of their conversation that lacks emotion is when they constantly say "I love you"

Sometimes the "I love yous" rang hollow. Especially from G3. He probably means it in his own way but seeing how he was willing to put his and AW's own son's lives at risk it meant little hearing it. The two of them had one twisted sort of love for their boys. They could've stopped that train anytime, but did not. I think it was G4 trying to tell G3 about the animals they'd seen and you could tell that G3 was absolutely not interested.

 

[justtrish]

I thought it was over too and have had to go back. I'm still not sure I've heard all of it. At this point, I'll just take everyone's word for it that it was damning evidence against GW4, until I get the chance to go back and listen to it all (I know it's important and will listen but didn't have it in me, to do more than skip through it this evening).

The recordings themselves were fairly shot. Just a few minutes each and each one was just showing a different side of George. So no "smoking gun", but certainly painting a different picture than he was trying to break free of his family or somehow he wasn't as connected with them as Jake, Angela, and Billy.. he was just as connected and these conversations show it.

 

[rsd1200]

AW supposedly did hack the private message part of Facebook. That's where she got the conversation between TC's mom and HR where HR said, "they'll have to kill me". </3

Hacking can be as simple as using another's password, by a lucky guess, or finding it taped to their desk. IDK how many people I have seen, in settings that they should not do so, have them taped to their keyboard, desk, or monitor, but if you use it and enter their computer/online social media/ banking accounts, etc..., you've hacked their account. Doesn't look much like the movies but it still counts.

 

[sunshineray]

For sure hold them accountable as well as those on the stand, but the things I am speaking of are:
Suggesting a BCI agent is looking at tax documents when that wasn't even what was presented. It was a distraction and sorta throw in because she said she looked at all the papers in the tub.

Asking about civilians at the border basically playing into George's rantings on the tape about Tabatha being there and seeing Vine. It has nothing to do with George killing people. Why would BCI bring a child's mother from Ohio to this? And after all that talking on tape that is what they wanted to focus on because they have nothing else. This is what I mean. It seems worse to me than just not having a question for the witness.

I agree with you on that stuff, that's what I call shenanigans. Can only hope the jurors are seeing it the same way. I gave up trying to figure out juries when OJ verdict came in...I was as shocked as Robert Kardashian that day.

 

[rsd1200]

5 words... THE GOOD OLE' BOYS CLUB

One word; Amen.

 

[sunshineray]

Agent Eveslage presented the evidence showing those messages on W's device, whichever it was, phone or laptop.

When those text pictures are on the screen I stand up and read them 4ft from the tv.

Not saying they didn't get info through other means, but the "...have to kill me" conversation came from the W's possession.

I do the same thing! The camera guy has gotten a bit better enlarging it and keeping it on screen longer. At the beggining of the trial those pages were up for a few seconds and they'd move the camera!

 

[rsd1200]

Here's one thing that caught my attention today: Angela answering Billy's phone and using Jake's phone to call her mother.

How many of you answer your SO's cell phone? Or know the pass code to it - or your adult child's phone? How many of you pick up another family member's cell phone and use it to make phone calls?

We aren't secretive in our house but we are respectful. We don't touch other's phones, don't share passwords to e-mail. I don't get into his wallet and he doesn't go in my purse. It's not a rule or anything. In 30+ years, I'm not sure we've ever even talked about it. We just don't.

I wonder if anyone on the jury caught that?

We only answer each other's phones if we know the other is waiting for an important call and the one waiting is not near their phone. I must say, I couldn't tell you if you asked, other than our phones, I've no clue what any of my s/o's passwords are, other than we both know the other's phone pw. In the event of emergencies, it could be a necessity. We have encrypted pw software for everything else.