OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #78

[Pru2U]

I'll rephrase my previous post about shoe print evidence because I think it's an important point.

The shoe prints in the crime scenes at Chris Sr and Dana's trailers came from the exact same type and size shoes (10 1/2 and 11) that Angela purchased for Jake and GW4 just prior to the murders at the local Walmart. She claims she threw them away because they didn't like them.

So, how does someone who feels the shoe print evidence is invalid explain how they got there? If Jake and GW4 didn't wear those shoes, who did? Two people wearing the exact same type of shoe, brand new, same sizes, went into those crime scenes and walked in the still-wet blood of the victims. Who could have done that, how and why?

What will doubters think when Angela gets up on the witness stand at GW4's trial and admits she lied about them throwing away those shoes? What will they think when Jake does the same?

I'm curious if anyone else can speculate about how those identical shoe prints got to those crime scenes that night?

TIA

I do not have a speculation but I did just go back & listen to end of Angela’s interview (I could listen to it over and over) and here's how it went down..

Investigator: Who was in the car Angela?

AW:
“I know the kids were sleeping”…long pause…” but I wouldn’t have left them alone in the car”…pause…”I don’t remember who was with me that day”.

Investigator: “Were Jake & George in the car, Angela”

AW: “Look, when I get in the car, it’s not a normal get in the car”.

“I’m going to stop right here and wait till I can talk to an attorney.”

Me: Giggle, giggle, giggle

 

[joe jones]

I'll rephrase my previous post about shoe print evidence because I think it's an important point.

The shoe prints in the crime scenes at Chris Sr and Dana's trailers came from the exact same type and size shoes (10 1/2 and 11) that Angela purchased for Jake and GW4 just prior to the murders at the local Walmart. She claims she threw them away because they didn't like them.

So, how does someone who feels the shoe print evidence is invalid explain how they got there? If Jake and GW4 didn't wear those shoes, who did? Two people wearing the exact same type of shoe, brand new, same sizes, went into those crime scenes and walked in the still-wet blood of the victims. Who could have done that, how and why?

What will doubters think when Angela gets up on the witness stand at GW4's trial and admits she lied about them throwing away those shoes? What will they think when Jake does the same?

I'm curious if anyone else can speculate about how those identical shoe prints got to those crime scenes that night?

TIA

I fully expect both AW and JW to testify in ways that match the evidence, but do I think JW or AW are going to be telling the truth I highly doubt it, they lied until they extracted from the state as much as they have been given, JW was IMO the easiest of all 4 to convict, we have had almost a month of evidence about mostly JW and AW activities, BW seems to have been forgotten about by the state, he barely gets mentioned at all, and there has been very little actual evidence placing GW at the scene (yet, IMO,) or involved with purchasing or planning, JW trial would have been much quicker, and they didn't need conspiracy charges to get him convicted, all the evidence they have against him would have been enough for him to be found guilty of murder,

If I am on the jury when considering what weight, I give to JW and AW testimony, I would start from the point that they lied and lied and then when they were given something in exchange for their testimony, they are now expecting the jury to believe they are being truthful, the truth should not have to be bought IMO but they are lucky I am not on the jury

 

[rsd1200]

Did you hear AW in the same interview I heard? The one in Montana? She was changing her story on the spot, with each and every piece of evidence they showed her.

She's very used to doing that. It's second nature. She's not used to it being audio taped, and compared to parking lot video, time stamped receipts, and Wally's very own, all encompassing, security system, that is probably second only to the Federal Govt.

 

[Myland]

Once Billy got going he was like a downhill freight train with no brakes. moo

He tried to whip CR and pulled a gun, then he got humiliated. moo

He wasn't stopping. moo

CR and DR bought a house, and Wagners were still losing SW.

Jmo I never heard in court about that fight and those claims? Can you tell what day?

 

[Dudly]

My favorites; Clark Kent and Ballistics Agent Beard are like watching a well oiled machine work.

They are true professionals and show it.
I have been impressed with the BCI agents in general. They did a through investigation. Much seems redundant now, but at the time they had to leave no stone unturned…

 

[NotHammerToed]

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned, but who in their right mind would throw away perfectly new shoes? Call me old fashioned but in those circumstances you return them for your money back.

 

[Chris_p_bacon]

I'll rephrase my previous post about shoe print evidence because I think it's an important point.

The shoe prints in the crime scenes at Chris Sr and Dana's trailers came from the exact same type and size shoes (10 1/2 and 11) that Angela purchased for Jake and GW4 just prior to the murders at the local Walmart. She claims she threw them away because they didn't like them.

So, how does someone who feels the shoe print evidence is invalid explain how they got there? If Jake and GW4 didn't wear those shoes, who did? Two people wearing the exact same type of shoe, brand new, same sizes, went into those crime scenes and walked in the still-wet blood of the victims. Who could have done that, how and why?

What will doubters think when Angela gets up on the witness stand at GW4's trial and admits she lied about them throwing away those shoes? What will they think when Jake does the same?

I'm curious if anyone else can speculate about how those identical shoe prints got to those crime scenes that night?

TIA

Let me tell ya somthin': "it was those Navy Seals"

I know I heard that in testimony somewhere during this trial. So I am 100% convinced that the Navy seals purchased the same size, type and number of shoes the Wagners purchased and threw away to fight the local Isis terrorists in the area. The Navy Seals also framed them by putting shell casings in their driveway and a homemade silencer in the cistern, etc.

I mean if Billy Wagner says it was Navy Seals, the fine outstanding citizen he is, who am I to question that. And if Fredricka Wagner says there was Isis in the area the night of the murders. Totally makes sense and explains everything to me. Ha.

Just kidding. I know the Shoes is one of numerous things that shows the Wagners did this.

 

[Myland]

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned, but who in their right mind would throw away perfectly new shoes? Call me old fashioned but in those circumstances you return them for your money back.

Jmo but I know a lady that buys higher dollar items constantly and throws it away within days of buying it, people have even been known to watch for her to set her trash out to get it. She has a buying problem. I don’t think this was the case for Angela at all but I also can’t say beyond a reasonable doubt say that the shoes were for George jmo.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned, but who in their right mind would throw away perfectly new shoes? Call me old fashioned but in those circumstances you return them for your money back.

I admit I have thrown shoes away if I purchased them on clearance or at a significant discount and didn't feel it was worth my effort to return them. Long lines... I don't get the sense this was a walking down the shoe isle and ran into clearance scenario.

The biggest aspect in my mind, is those same two pair of shoes being used to commit the murder of AW's granddaughters family.

I could think, "someone stole them from the trash" if I had any reason to believe AW, which I do not. .
To even attempt to give her the benefit of the doubt it becomes too convoluted to imagine individual X and Y. At least two people, stealing shoes to later frame it on the Wagner's. Steal the shoes and then have Jake and Angela admit to the murders.
IMO

 

[Tiff23fr]

Jmo but I know a lady that buys higher dollar items constantly and throws it away within days of buying it, people have even been known to watch for her to set her trash out to get it. She has a buying problem. I don’t think this was the case for Angela at all but I also can’t say beyond a reasonable doubt say that the shoes were for George jmo.

Has the state stated what size George wears in comparison to the purchased shoes? I have not watched every day.

ETA: on second thought I don't suppose it would be necessary to establish size etc beyond his mom knew what size he wore and she bought the shoes. I suspect she purchased the same size for him for many years. IMO

 

[ColMustard]

Jmo I never heard in court about that fight and those claims? Can you tell what day?

Mentioned once in BW's interview, mentioned by the attorneys when they agreed to not speak of it, that's in the record somehow. Maybe in pretrial as well as when they played the interview and the attorneys discussed the agreement in court.

I have a link to BW's interview cued up when he starts speaking but I don't know how long before they ask him about it.

 

[ColMustard]

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned, but who in their right mind would throw away perfectly new shoes? Call me old fashioned but in those circumstances you return them for your money back.

Or at least give them to somebody, Goodwill, Salvation Army, anyone.

Pretty sure they'd be needing groceries soon in the Wagner house, right there's about $30. Never going back to any Walmart or what?

 

[Betty P]

I fully expect both AW and JW to testify in ways that match the evidence, but do I think JW or AW are going to be telling the truth I highly doubt it, they lied until they extracted from the state as much as they have been given, JW was IMO the easiest of all 4 to convict, we have had almost a month of evidence about mostly JW and AW activities, BW seems to have been forgotten about by the state, he barely gets mentioned at all, and there has been very little actual evidence placing GW at the scene (yet, IMO,) or involved with purchasing or planning, JW trial would have been much quicker, and they didn't need conspiracy charges to get him convicted, all the evidence they have against him would have been enough for him to be found guilty of murder,

If I am on the jury when considering what weight, I give to JW and AW testimony, I would start from the point that they lied and lied and then when they were given something in exchange for their testimony, they are now expecting the jury to believe they are being truthful, the truth should not have to be bought IMO but they are lucky I am not on the jury

Ok, let me narrow it down a little.

If Jake and GW4 were not wearing those shoes (that Angela bought for them) that night, who are the two people who entered the crime scenes that night and tracked the victim's blood around while wearing the exact same type and size shoes? How were two people able to do that, way out there on UHR, following killers from house to house? Why were they going into the crime scenes? What were they doing there? How coincidental is it they were wearing the exact same shoes, in those sizes?

 

[Myland]

Mentioned once in BW's interview, mentioned by the attorneys when they agreed to not speak of it, that's in the record somehow. Maybe in pretrial as well as when they played the interview and the attorneys discussed the agreement in court.

I have a link to BW's interview cued up when he starts speaking but I don't know how long before they ask him about it.

Jmo but if not in court then jury won’t know of it and then not really proven as fact jmo

 

[justtrish]

I'll rephrase my previous post about shoe print evidence because I think it's an important point.

The shoe prints in the crime scenes at Chris Sr and Dana's trailers came from the exact same type and size shoes (10 1/2 and 11) that Angela purchased for Jake and GW4 just prior to the murders at the local Walmart. She claims she threw them away because they didn't like them.

So, how does someone who feels the shoe print evidence is invalid explain how they got there? If Jake and GW4 didn't wear those shoes, who did? Two people wearing the exact same type of shoe, brand new, same sizes, went into those crime scenes and walked in the still-wet blood of the victims. Who could have done that, how and why?

What will doubters think when Angela gets up on the witness stand at GW4's trial and admits she lied about them throwing away those shoes? What will they think when Jake does the same?

I'm curious if anyone else can speculate about how those identical shoe prints got to those crime scenes that night?

TIA

Another point to make is (and not directed at your BettyP, your post just triggered my thoughts)
ALL 4 of them lied to BCI including George! So to claim Angela lied before so why is she telling the truth now is really not a great excuse for not believing George participated because he lied also. If let's say he had no idea till the next day like the defense said on opening, why did he move to Alaska with his murdering family members? Why did he lie to bCI at the border crossing and say he'd never seen those shoes before? If Angela did buy them and show the boys, but they were "old man shoes" so she tossed them, then he would have seen them before. The defense can't really claim that Jake and Angela are liars so why believe them now, when George lied about things and here we are now supposed to believe the narrative the defense will put up about him not knowing about this plan. Nope don't think so.

 

[justtrish]

he won't be allowed to object, JW has signed his agreement, he may be able to have his attorney their as moral support,

I would think due to them not sentencing Jake yet and the plea hangs on him testifying to the satisfaction of the state, then Jake's lawyers definitely need to be there to hear what is said. If the prosecution then says it wasn't satisfactory, Jake's lawyers can fight for him over why or if there is possible appeals for that claim because Jake might be facing going to trial if his testimony isn't satisfactory according to the prosecution.

 

[Myland]

Ok, let me narrow it down a little.

If Jake and GW4 were not wearing those shoes (that Angela bought for them) that night, who are the two people who entered the crime scenes that night and tracked the victim's blood around while wearing the exact same type and size shoes? How were two people able to do that, way out there on UHR, following killers from house to house? Why were they going into the crime scenes? What were they doing there? How coincidental is it they were wearing the exact same shoes, in those sizes?

Jmo but Jake admitted to killing so there’s one pair and who to say the second pair wasn’t Angela’s or even Billy’s, or someone that went in when scene not secured. Jmo

 

[justtrish]

Jmo but if not in court then jury won’t know of it and then not really proven as fact jmo

BCI asked Billy about the fight in the interview played for the jury.

 

[Betty P]

Has the state stated what size George wears in comparison to the purchased shoes? I have not watched every day.

ETA: on second thought I don't suppose it would be necessary to establish size etc beyond his mom knew what size he wore and she bought the shoes. I suspect she purchased the same size for him for many years. IMO

I don't think they have yet. The Ohio BCI shoeprint expert testified w/o video or audio and the news media didn't mention anything about the shoes being a different size than what the killers wore. They only state that the prints at the crime scene match the same style and size of shoes Angela bought.

 

[ohioexpat63]

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned, but who in their right mind would throw away perfectly new shoes? Call me old fashioned but in those circumstances you return them for your money back.

Who? Liars, murderers and those wanting to get rid of evidence are the only people that would throw away new shoes. THey can't say they lost the receipt either. IMO

EDIT: and this is only in regards to the W4 crime, cult, and murdering family