OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #78

[joe jones]

The defense is starting to do the defending now, we are moving into areas where GW is mentioned and there may be evidence against him, and the arrival of JW and AW may be imminent

 

[Chelly]

Cistern diver on witness stand, showing photos of cistern and barn opening. Says after flashlight handle was found, they pumped out remaining water with water pump. Showing photos of items recovered from hole. Says they did another search at later date.

 

[Pru2U]

The defense is starting to do the defending now, we are moving into areas where GW is mentioned and there may be evidence against him, and the arrival of JW and AW may be imminent

I didn't hear the date of this search? Is this the piece of evidence (found late Oct 2018) that finally gave the clearance for their arrests?

 

[rescuemom]

they didn't look carefully enough at the date of birth on the bank account of the GW, both the state and the forensic accountant didn't look closely at the date of births on the account, if they had they would have seen that the date of birth was too old for GW4 and was his father's date of birth, with GW3 and a GW4 involved I would have thought you would have been extra careful to make sure you knew which one had which account,

the jury see this, what if any weight they give to an expert making a mistake only they will know, but it was a significant mistake, as that account t had the 40.000 insurance fraud money in,

but it was explained sufficiently

 

[Kmspeaks85]

but it was explained sufficiently

what was the explanation I missed that part?

 

[Chelly]

Maglight part recovered from well was manufactured Jan. 13, 2016 according to witness.

 

[sunshineray]

I didn't hear the date of this search? Is this the piece of evidence (found late Oct 2018) that finally gave the clearance for their arrests?

I think it was the thing that finally led to the arrests, probably after forensics were done. They may have found whatever materials were found at the crime scenes or in the wounds inside that test fired flashlight suppressor?

 

[Chelly]

ATF witness James Barlow called to stand. Firearms enforcement officer.

 

[joe jones]

I didn't hear the date of this search? Is this the piece of evidence (found late Oct 2018) that finally gave the clearance for their arrests?

yes, it was collected in 18 and ATF x-rayed it to see what it was,

 

[joe jones]

but it was explained sufficiently

only after the defense pointed it out, the state thought they had proved that GW4 had a bank account with AW, and in that bank account a GW received 40,000 insurance payout, it would be very misleading if the jury were left thinking that was GW4 insurance payout, so it was a mistake by the witness,

and it is up to the jury to decide what weight if any they give to a mistake, and if this has any impact of what they think of the witness's testimony

 

[justtrish]

That could possibly be why, should have checked that birthdate!

Definitely! I will say before I was married to a Jr I had no idea the ways things can get mixed up like that. It is one reason we opted not to name our sons with the designation the III. When many generations are all still alive with the same name, and living in the same area, it can be extra tricky. If I recall correctly for us it took some time and work to get the records straightened out for just the truck being on the wrong one.

 

[justtrish]

Maglight part recovered from well was manufactured Jan. 13, 2016 according to witness.

This is so important. It shows the purchased had to be after that date. No claiming they had this for years before and always made silencers. It must have accidently got burned up and then also accidently fell in the cistern that was covered up and hidden after.

 

[Niner]

former BCI agent Bryan White, now lieutenant with Madison Co. Sheriff.


James Pilcher
@jamespilcher
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Here’s that X-ray



There’s the actual item in the box



Submitted it to ATF lab in West Va. - drove it and waited and then drove it back to make sure chain of custody wasn't broken.

They pumped out some of the water from cistern so diver could move around. Now on to defense cross-examination.

Next up is Franklin Co. Sheriff Deputy Sean Floyd - on the dive team for that agency.

After they pulled out the bricks, it was about 15 feet deep. So they pumped out a lot of the water. @local12
Found the cylinder early on during the search.

Correction - name is Dept. Shaun Floyd. He wasn't on stand very long. No cross examination. He found the cylinder earlier. Now up BCI's Scheiderer.


link: https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

 

[Chelly]

ATF witness on stand showing how to make a suppressor out of Maglight.
Really interesting demonstration on how to make a silencer.

 

[joe jones]

depending on how much weight the jury gives to the 630.00 approx payment GW credit card made for something he wanted to purchase from China - if they tie it to this ATF witness who testified that China is somewhere you can purchase suppressors to illegally import them into the US then this is evidence that GW was purchasing things that the state argue were used in the murders

 

[rescuemom]

only after the defense pointed it out, the state thought they had proved that GW4 had a bank account with AW, and in that bank account a GW received 40,000 insurance payout, it would be very misleading if the jury were left thinking that was GW4 insurance payout, so it was a mistake by the witness,

and it is up to the jury to decide what weight if any they give to a mistake, and if this has any impact of what they think of the witness's testimony

Agree it was a mistake but in redirect it was IMO addressed and corrected.

 

[justtrish]

ATF witness on stand showing how to make a suppressor out of Maglight.
Really interesting demonstration on how to make a silencer.

He is good at explaining. You can tell he enjoys his job and enjoys explaining these things. I always appreciate witnesses that seem excited about their job. Not related specifically to this trial, but it always makes me think those people have found their calling and really are working in an area they are interested in and can use that interest to help the world.

 

[rsd1200]

I was thinking if the state proves GW4 a shooter, and JW's testimony goes against his proffer, it might change their DP status. But it's a moot point since the state simply has to be satisfied with the testimony.

I may be overthinking today.

Totally blows my mind but thanks to you, Joe, and, re-reading (over and over), I now see, said the blind person. It's not about Jake being a truthful murderer.

If Angela and Jake Wagner testify to the satisfaction of the prosecution, the death penalty will be taken off the table for all four
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[Niner]

James Pilcher
@jamespilcher
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19m
BCI's Scheiderer says they looked at serial number of the flashlight handle. Made in January 2016. Got a subpoena to get information about it from the company.

Defense is asking about the financial records - that Jake Wagner's card was used to buy a D-cell Maglite flashlight from Amazon. That's it for him.

Next up is Agent James Barlow from the ATF. Firearms enforcement officer at the time of the investigation - now is branch chief.

Court recognizes Barlow as as expert on suppressors and silencers. Says a silencer is technically a firearm.



link: https://twitter.com/jamespilcher


Okay - his last tweet was 12 minutes ago - so thinking they might be on break - and now it is my bedtime. BUT!! I shall stay up a bit longer to get the end of Schneiderer & Barlow's testimony.

 

[Chelly]

He is good at explaining. You can tell he enjoys his job and enjoys explaining these things. I always appreciate witnesses that seem excited about their job. Not related specifically to this trial, but it always makes me think those people have found their calling and really are working in an area they are interested in and can use that interest to help the world.

Right, he's loving explaining in detail how to make a silencer. Now we all know how to make one