OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #78

[Chelly]

Showing photos of the cistern in courtroom. Water was black witness says.

 

[rsd1200]

The thing is I'm not sure it would be something that would show up as a bank account until it was put into an actual bank account. I wonder if a shows up as a bank account on it's own? I assumed funds would need to be transferred out in order to use them or have them show up as belonging to a person. Anyone could start a in someone's name. It happens a lot in these high profile cases to scam people out of money. Sometimes the creators aren't even in contact with the person they are saying it's for.. just trying to scam smypathetic people out of money.

I think that's whey we are not permitted to link to them here. No way of telling if it's going to the right person.

The fundraising person gets the funds no matter if it's over or under the target amount raised. There's no way of knowing if that person will give the funds to the cause/person they state they're fundraising for. The funds are held by the G F M account until the fundraiser is concluded. G.F.M. will then cut a check or bank order to whoever set up the fundraiser.

 

[Chelly]

Showing photos of pile of bricks removed from cistern

 

[sunshineray]

It should, but the issue with a Jr, Sr, III, IV, etc. things can get mixed up. My husband is a Jr and he and his dad lived in the same town for a while as adults and that I think makes it even more confusing and I'd add if you are adults with the same address, it really can get intertwined and no fault of the people or even when nobody is trying to do criminal things. My FIL had a truck of my husbands on his credit for a while and it was never in my FIL's name, never co signed, nothing. I regularly check for things like this just to make sure nothing is mixed up and there is nothing criminal going on with my FIL or my husband, it just can get put in the wrong place somehow. Not exactly sure since SSN's are very different, but it does happen.

Makes me wonder if they pulled credit reports and found the account they listed as GWIV under him instead of under Billy?

That could possibly be why, should have checked that birthdate!

 

[Chelly]

Main item of interest from cistern was handle of D cell flashlight recovered by divers witness says. Photo displayed

 

[dgfred]

Hey r. At first probably CR, GR and likely BW. After shots from rifle GW shoots CR and GR at close range. JW and GW come in and likely move bodies. I think.

 

[ColMustard]

Wouldn't that mean they're sabotaging their own pleas, though? Maybe I'm not understanding but I thought it all hinged on AS and JW testifying truthfully (although AC said they didn't really need them, iirc).

I was thinking if the state proves GW4 a shooter, and JW's testimony goes against his proffer, it might change their DP status. But it's a moot point since the state simply has to be satisfied with the testimony.

I may be overthinking today.

 

[dgfred]

Tone that brain down a notch Col. Haha

 

[Chelly]

Witness said flashlight was modified

 

[sunshineray]

Was that a G F M account ? did the prosecution not know about that account?

Well the head investigator just testified he was aware of it from looking online

 

[joe jones]

Absolutely that one looks bad. I hope we get to see an explanation if it was a case of it being on the wrong credit report. I would think someone would be extra thorough with the finances so it's odd that this wasn't picked up.

they didn't look carefully enough at the date of birth on the bank account of the GW, both the state and the forensic accountant didn't look closely at the date of births on the account, if they had they would have seen that the date of birth was too old for GW4 and was his father's date of birth, with GW3 and a GW4 involved I would have thought you would have been extra careful to make sure you knew which one had which account,

the jury see this, what if any weight they give to an expert making a mistake only they will know, but it was a significant mistake, as that account t had the 40.000 insurance fraud money in,

 

[sunshineray]

Showing photos of pile of bricks removed from cistern

That's some nasty looking water those poor guys had to dive in!

 

[sunshineray]

But weren't there two people inside CR1's trailer?

When Jake went to FR's the first time but couldn't get in, GWIV and BW were inside CRSR's trailer moving the bodies into the bedroom.

Edit: According to AC's opening statements and via JW's proffer

 

[Niner]

James Pilcher
@jamespilcher
New afternoon thread from George Wagner IV murder trial in Pike County - first up is former BCI agent Bryan White, now lieutenant with Madison Co. Sheriff.

Talking about the October 2018 search of Peterson Road property - where the Wagners formerly lived. Focused on the old barn and the cistern.

Brought in dive team from Franklin Co. sheriff - this was after someone found a shell casing in the cistern.

Here’s pictures of the barn and cistern



All the bricks they removed



Here is the opening to the cistern



Items they removed from cistern including handle of D cell flashlight. Says it was deformed and exposed to some kind of heat.



White: it was obviously modified and made into something it wasn't originally made to be. It was originally a Mag-light flashlight.

Had something inside of it - was x-rayed. Were two metal discs placed inside that metal container

Contacted ATF labs to help them examine it further


link: https://twitter.com/jamespilcher


continued...

 

[ColMustard]

I wonder who the test pilot was on firing the SKS through that maglite? *BOOM* oops lol. Maybe those marks on JW's face? Or BW's?

The holes weren't perfectly aligned and the bullet blew it apart.

Did White say the casing he showed the jury was 7.62?

 

[Betty P]

That's some nasty looking water those poor guys had to dive in!

I was thinking the same thing. I hope they got a bonus for doing that. Ugh! Same with the guys who had to dive into the pond on FWF

 

[sunshineray]

I think that's whey we are not permitted to link to them here. No way of telling if it's going to the right person.

The fundraising person gets the funds no matter if it's over or under the target amount raised. There's no way of knowing if that person will give the funds to the cause/person they state they're fundraising for. The funds are held by the G F M account until the fundraiser is concluded. G.F.M. will then cut a check or bank order to whoever set up the fundraiser.

Maybe it didn't get to a cutting the check phase?

 

[Betty P]

I wonder who the test pilot was on firing the SKS through that maglite? *BOOM* oops lol. Maybe those marks on JW's face? Or BW's?

The holes weren't perfectly aligned and the bullet blew it apart.

Did White say the casing he showed the jury was 7.62?

Just for reference, here's a link to one of the You Tube videos we looked at back then showing how to make suppressor from the Maglite

 

[sunshineray]

I was thinking the same thing. I hope they got a bonus for doing that. Ugh! Same with the guys who had to dive into the pond on FWF

Bet that pond looked like a vacation dive after that cistern lol

 

[Pru2U]

That's some nasty looking water those poor guys had to dive in!

My first thought was "Bless them for sticking with it". But they do love this kind of thing - any excuse to use their skills but especially if their findings can solve a case or bring a family closure/comfort. Unsung heroes for sure.