OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #78

[Betty P]

Good Morning Everyone! Hope you're all doing well. News from yesterday:

Jurors hear voice of victim Hanna Rhoden during Pike County massacre trial

The recording captured Hanna telling Jake, in so many words, that he didn't have the right to be so controlling.

www.wlwt.com

Pike County murder trial: Clandestine recordings made by Jake, Wagner family finances presented to jury

The jury will hear more conversations between members of the Wagner family as the prosecution presents recordings made from wire taps during the span of the investigation.

www.wcpo.com

Good photo of the Maglite suppressor at this article

Pike County murder trial: Witnesses describe intertwined Wagner finances and a device found inside a well

A forensic accountant with the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigations will resume testimony Wednesday morning, explaining purchases and financial activity of the Wagner family.

www.wcpo.com

 

[Betty P]

More articles

Pike County massacre trial of George Wagner IV: What has happened so far

WAVERLY — In the trial of George Wagner IV, who is charged with killed eight members of Pike County’s Rhoden family, investigators have presented a lot of pieces of evidence — most recently, wiretap recordings of conversations between Wagner family members. The trial is in its sixth week at the...

www.springfieldnewssun.com

Pike County trial: Jury hears about Wagner finances, purchases, evidence divers found in pond

The trial is expected to last now until mid-November

www.fox19.com

 

[twall]

James Pilcher

@jamespilcher

Good morning. Back at it with Pike Co. murder trial of George Wagner IV - more BCI returning to the stand including gun expert Matt White, analyst Julia Eveslage, and former agent Bryan White, who was very involved.
@local12


9:00 AM · Oct 20, 2022·

 

[SuziQ]

The shoes are on display this morning.

 

[ColMustard]

I'd have to have more than the shoe print, but we know that there was an SKS listed under GW4's name, on JW's wish list Even though, it's not putting him at the site, and is not proof positive he was there. Combined with that though, if I had to go by what I know so far, CN's testimony would tip me over the edge if I had to make a call, this moment, based on what we've seen so far. He's known him longer than anyone, with the exception of his brother and parents, and I'd say that he knows him better, on a personal level. His entire testimony showed that GW4 was physically capable of grunt work, and, that he was an excellent shot. Skilled at hunting, and patient. Willing to sit in a tree, and wait for a deer to come by, if it took all day. If it wasn't the right deer, willing to wait for the the right deer. I think he's the only one out of the four who could stand on their own, but he may very well have been the only one with the intelligence and patience for parts of this. JM2

Edit: Not to mention, he'd not wish to share a space with G4 again. CN knows in his heart. He just wants a jury to say so. Again, jm2

Not disagreeing with what you said, but I would bet a lot of those deer taken by the great hunter were actually taken illegally, poached.

Out of all the guns we've seen in Wagner arsenal, only one shotgun is legal for deer hunting in Ohio. All those typical deer rifles seen in their possession are illegal to hunt with in Ohio.

So it stands to reason, other illegal advantages were probably taken. ..moo.. Things like baiting and maybe even spotlighting. The .22 rifle is the gun of choice for spotlighters.

That also fits the modus operandi of these murders. Unfair advantage, surprise attack, baiting, intelligence gathering, etc.

 

[Pru2U]

I'd have to have more than the shoe print, but we know that there was an SKS listed under GW4's name, on JW's wish list Even though, it's not putting him at the site, and is not proof positive he was there. Combined with that though, if I had to go by what I know so far, CN's testimony would tip me over the edge if I had to make a call, this moment, based on what we've seen so far. He's known him longer than anyone, with the exception of his brother and parents, and I'd say that he knows him better, on a personal level. His entire testimony showed that GW4 was physically capable of grunt work, and, that he was an excellent shot. Skilled at hunting, and patient. Willing to sit in a tree, and wait for a deer to come by, if it took all day. If it wasn't the right deer, willing to wait for the the right deer. I think he's the only one out of the four who could stand on their own, but he may very well have been the only one with the intelligence and patience for parts of this. JM2

Edit: Not to mention, he'd not wish to share a space with G4 again. CN knows in his heart. He just wants a jury to say so. Again, jm2

Sorry, I should have clarified. I was only referring to the who
moved CR & Gary/who was inside CR's home. I think the shoe print helps put GW there but just as important, GW was in the car when the shoes were purchased, so he DOES know about them, which helps prove conspiracy.

 

[twall]

I see drill bits, magazine (not the kind you read) and nets on a stick.

 

[CIA Team Member]

I'd have to have more than the shoe print, but we know that there was an SKS listed under GW4's name, on JW's wish list Even though, it's not putting him at the site, and is not proof positive he was there. Combined with that though, if I had to go by what I know so far, CN's testimony would tip me over the edge if I had to make a call, this moment, based on what we've seen so far. He's known him longer than anyone, with the exception of his brother and parents, and I'd say that he knows him better, on a personal level. His entire testimony showed that GW4 was physically capable of grunt work, and, that he was an excellent shot. Skilled at hunting, and patient. Willing to sit in a tree, and wait for a deer to come by, if it took all day. If it wasn't the right deer, willing to wait for the the right deer. I think he's the only one out of the four who could stand on their own, but he may very well have been the only one with the intelligence and patience for parts of this. JM2

Edit: Not to mention, he'd not wish to share a space with G4 again. CN knows in his heart. He just wants a jury to say so. Again, jm2

Also according to Randa she stated CN kept in close contact all this time with George; up until just a month ago.
IMO, CN was desperate for George to be innocent and wanted George to verify his guilt/innocence (Randa spoke to this on the stand.) So, something gave CN pause at that time to stop speaking with George. Something must've finally clicked with CN.

 

[twall]

And flashlights. And the deputy who looks annoyed with the camera! Don't pick your nose!

 

[ColMustard]

And flashlights. And the deputy who looks annoyed with the camera! Don't pick your nose!

Was just thinking, Rusty wishes they would turn the camera.

Uh oh, he just dropped his phone.

Well, par for the course, almost a half hour late.

 

[ColMustard]

I see drill bits, magazine (not the kind you read) and nets on a stick.

One drill bit looked overly large in diameter. Either silencing a 12ga shotgun or gun shy after blowing up the one maglite.

Kinda looked like Parker "knocked on wood" while whispering to G4.

Beards on Nash and G4 will be to their waists before a verdict is reached.

Starting late, early lunch and short day today. Efficiency doesn't come to mind here.

 

[ohioexpat63]

One drill bit looked overly large in diameter. Either silencing a shotgun or gun shy after blowing up the one maglite.

Kinda looked like Parker "knocked on wood" while whispering to G4.

Beards on Nash and G4 will be to their waists before a verdict is reached.

Starting late, early lunch and short day today. Efficiency doesn't come to mind here.

It seems very inefficient. I dont get it.

 

[Niner]

James Pilcher
@jamespilcher

Good morning. Back at it with Pike Co. murder trial of George Wagner IV - more BCI returning to the stand including gun expert Matt White, analyst Julia Eveslage, and former agent Bryan White, who was very involved.
@local12


9:00 AM · Oct 20, 2022·

Are you going to be posting all his tweets - or do you want me to do it today?

 

[Pru2U]

This is the only witness list that I know of - the subpoenas. There are more than this. Also, on very bottom right of page press on #2 for the second page.

08/22/2022 SUBPOENAS SERVED BY BCI BY PERSONAL SERVICE ON RANDA HUGHES, FREDRICKA WAGNER, ROBIN WAGNER, CHRIS NEWCOMB, RITA NEWCOMB, JAMES MANLEY, APRIL MANLEY, SHAWN WATSON, DONALD SLONE, EMMA MORGAN, AND BILLY MORGAN ON 8-22-2022

08/22/2022 SUBPOENA ISSUED ON RANDA HUGHES, RITA NEWCOMB, ROBERT WAGNER, JULIA WAGNER, KATY WAGNER, CHRIS NEWCOMB, ROBIN WAGNER & FREDERICKA WAGNER

https://cpcourt.pikecounty.oh.gov/eservices/searchresults.page?x=3WGpt6qqsfZX7u0Day7sUwrfkIfv3W*P0CSzhATFV1X*tNveAYZcDmksWAM*e-w*jWGBI6xpnWOPZZMndV11ig

Thank you so much. I'm embarrassed to say I HAVE seen this, some of the witnesses just didn't register in my brain, I guess. I appreciate you!

 

[rescuemom]

Another short day...just curious...did I read somewhere that AC, although she is doing this trial, has left this position??? Any idea what she is moving on to???

 

[Ann99]

I’m so frustrated with this trial. I know AC has a plan but the information is getting more and more unclear.
MO
The murder truck ( I still don’t get what they were thinking with this “ hide in the truck “ ploy)
And the Silencers, were their downfall. Shoes are secondary.
If JW had not confessed, provided the weapons, they may have walked.
If Parker had not initially blamed everything on Jake ( long ago news article ) JW probably would not have confessed.
MO.

 

[twall]

Are you going to be posting all his tweets - or do you want me to do it today?

Not posting all of them, I just did the first one so others would know who is testifying today. Switching to the Kegan Kline hearing at 10:00 if they stream it.

 

[rebelchild]

Not posting all of them, I just did the first one so others would know who is testifying today. Switching to the Kegan Kline hearing at 10:00 if they stream it.

I will be following you like a hawk today, @twall .. checking for updates on my break!

 

[Niner]

Not posting all of them, I just did the first one so others would know who is testifying today. Switching to the Kegan Kline hearing at 10:00 if they stream it.

Okay - gathering the tweets now. I shall wait until he is finished with Schneiderer & then post them. Will try to keep one witness testimony on one post.

 

[ColMustard]

Scheiderer said the one drill bit is 27/64" diameter. That matches for .40 caliber.

Random caffeine induced factoid.... What does the name Scheiderer mean?

an arbitrator or judge

Scheiderer Name Meaning
German: occupational name for an arbitrator or judge.