OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #78

[ohioexpat63]

Jake has confessed to the murders of multiple people, to include HR. I'm not understanding why take an entire afternoon going over text messages between JW and HR. Maybe I missed it but I dont know where this is leading. JMO

 

[CIA Team Member]

RJN is the same age as my s/o. Yes, we're one of those Appalachian couples, and I'm the significantly younger, but late 60s isn't all that old these days. JM and RJN are around the same age iirc. I wasn't bashing RJN for not being there, b/c at this juncture, if it were me, I'd likely not be there unless I was re-called, or it was time for sentencing. I'd guess she's probably had enough of her daughter's destructive behaviour, and that of her grandson's.

RN is probably still under a gag order up until Billie's trial as she'd probably be called to testify. Maybe. IDK

 

[justtrish]

OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #70

I wonder who is sick or if the defense is using illness as a delay. I believe if the Court has granted this delay, there is truly someone that is ill. Now in this ensuing week of downtime, who knows what could happen? JMO

www.websleuths.com

I found the timing of the text message here. The prosecution believes the plan to murder Hannah started in Dec 2015 after Angela hacked and found a message between Hannah and Tabatha's mother in Dec. 2015

 

[ColMustard]

The more the merrier, I guess. Is this why they're pausing?

I got a phone call and missed the last part

Not sure. But don't think so.

The judge said he hadn't even actually read the email, someone in the courthouse staff advised him of it. So maybe it had just come in?

Defense also said they weren't aware of the request either... "no knowledge".

We're not the only ones that can't hear it very well.

 

[justtrish]

Jake has confessed to the murders of multiple people, to include HR. I'm not understanding why take an entire afternoon going over text messages between JW and HR. Maybe I missed it but I dont know where this is leading. JMO

I think it just goes to show just how adamant Hannah was about not signing papers, not giving him custody, not wanting to get back with him and him admitting to abuse and his unwillingness to separate from his family even to live with her and their daughter. It further hammers down that Angela was controlling, Jake was controlling, Hannah didn't want to give custody over or sign any papers. I think it's more believable coming directly from Hannah because she isn't here to speak for herself. When Jake takes the stand to say what he will, the jury will have just heard Hannah's own words confirming all of what he is saying.

 

[CIA Team Member]

State will present texts between Jake and Hanna. Andy talking. Nature of relationship between them is relevant to the motive, etc. regarding custody.

Defense gets to argue before its admitted.

Oct 21, 2013 til ? Says these texts pre-date the incident.

AC says Jakes texts, threats before S was born are consistent, spread out over so much time that he threatened to take her away before she was even born.

AC says GW4 not being involved, the point is, like with Tabitha, when GW4 ran her off and took custody, the whole family was involved in that effort, just as they were when fighting for Jake to get custody by getting rid of Hanna.

Judge says he thinks its too early in their relationship to assume those disagreements could be considered part of the motive for murder.

AC is arguing that when Jake says "this child will always be with me" it indicates his mindset and how he controlled things after that regarding Sophia.

I missed the judge's statement of "too early...." The one actually showed Jake's one response with a woman's head followed up with gun emoji's. IMO, that was significant. Jake spent over 2 years begging, haggling, harassing', microaggression's to Hannah R.

 

[Betty P]

OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #70

I wonder who is sick or if the defense is using illness as a delay. I believe if the Court has granted this delay, there is truly someone that is ill. Now in this ensuing week of downtime, who knows what could happen? JMO

www.websleuths.com

I found the timing of the text message here. The prosecution believes the plan to murder Hannah started in Dec 2015 after Angela hacked and found a message between Hannah and Tabatha's mother in Dec. 2015

Thanks! I'm adding this to updates in the old timeline. I can't keep up with all the new info and dates revealed in this trial, but will try to post a revised version sometime soon.

 

[Niner]

Are they done for the day? No tweets for the last 23 minutes...

 

[ColMustard]

I wasn't sure Agent Eveslage was going to make it through the testimony. But she hung right in there!

Now I know why she had that big water bottle.

 

[Niner]

Here are the last of the tweets.


BCI Agent Julia Eveslage


James Pilcher
@jamespilcher
·
7m
Messages went through July/August 2015. And that's all from prosecution. On cross, defense lawyer Richard Nash says the screen shots on TVs in court weren't actually on the phone - they were a representation. This came from the family laptop seized in Montana.

Hundreds of thousands of images - Eveslage says she remembers seeing something about a Gofundme - reading this off the laptop. Jake asking for $20,000 for legal expenses.




link: https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

 

[ColMustard]

Are they done for the day? No tweets for the last 23 minutes...

Yes, they quit at 2:45 eastern time.

(duly noted on their time cards)

 

[Betty P]

I missed the judge's statement of "too early...." The one actually showed Jake's one response with a woman's head followed up with gun emoji's. IMO, that was significant. Jake spent over 2 years begging, haggling, harassing', microaggression's to Hannah R.

Exactly, these texts are very relevant as to the way members of this family tried to exercise so much control over the mothers and their children. It was the same progression of activity, blame, accusations, threats, pressure, etc. that happened when separating Tabitha and 'Vine. When it came time to take control of the child, the entire family plotted and carried out a plan to build a case against her, then violently push her away. All 4 Wagners were part of it. Jake helped GW4 get rid of his partner, GW4 helped Jake get rid of his.

 

[Niner]

Yes, they quit at 2:45 eastern time.

(duly noted on their time cards)

Thank you! Now I can go to bed!

 

[Betty P]

James Pilcher

@jamespilcher


The receipt for the bug detector also on the laptop. Linked to email used by Angela. Cross is done. And we're done for the day.
@local12

 

[Pru2U]

At one point Jake says she is a bad example to Sophia and he is ashamed of her. He also accuses her of being rude to his mother Angela. Also says "you better cut off your finger now" when Hanna says she won't move in with Wagners on the farm.

Reference to their (JW & HR) "wedding band" tattoos?

 

[Betty P]

Reference to their (JW & HR) "wedding band" tattoos?

Some very scary foreshadowing in those texts from Jake. He was insisting and threatening that he would keep Sophia weeks before the child was even born.

As for being righteous, Jake believed that saying curse words was a greater sin than murdering 8 innocent people in their beds. Yeah, it was Boondock Saints that used religion to justify murder.

 

[abeaman02]

If there is a chance RJN or CN could be recalled to the stand, even if by the defense. I do not think they can be in the court. IANAL so this is just MOO

 

[Pru2U]

Some very scary foreshadowing in those texts from Jake. He was insisting and threatening that he would keep Sophia weeks before the child was even born.

As for being righteous, Jake believed that saying curse words was a greater sin than murdering 8 innocent people in their beds. Yeah, it was Boondock Saints that used religion to justify murder.

I may have been reading too much into her text but I thought she said something to the effect of "and you all can sit around & watch your movie".

Gave me a chill - whether or not she meant Boondock Saints. Stopped me cold.

 

[pcrum12]

I may have been reading too much into her text but I thought she said something to the effect of "and you all can sit around & watch your movie".

Gave me a chill - whether or not she meant Boondock Saints.

She did

 

[justtrish]

I'm curious how the defense is going to present this defense of George didn't know.

I understand that Jake lies and Angela lies so why would we believe what they say on the stand type argument. I also question though what motive would either have to lie? How would they just happened to have a similar story to tell about what happened? I believe it had to match enough for the prosecution to accept their pleas. If Angela gave her statement and it was so far out in left field it didn't line up, no way the prosecution accepts that plea. AC also said none of the lawyers had the copy of Jake's proffer until AFTER Angela came forward to plea as well. So she didn't get his proffer and create a story to match his.

So if they wanted control of the kids, wouldn't it make more sense to not only say George didn't shoot anyone, but to say he wasn't there at all if he really wasn't there? Wouldn't that give him the best chance of being released and getting the kids they were willing to murder 8 people over? How would either of them benefit by claiming George knew if he didn't? This is what gets me. I am sure Jake lies about details and makes himself either look better or to fluff up the story, but if the truth really is George knew nothing, why say he did? To punish him? Nobody will get the kids then. Makes no sense. Wouldn't their best bet of having any contract with the kids involved be to claim George was innocent so he could get let out and have the kids and down the road then bring them to see the W's?