OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #78

[Betty P]

I’m trying to keep an open mind.

A size 10.5 mens shoe = a size 9 womens shoe. I can go with that. Billy is NOT fitting into a 10.5 and I doubt an 11.

It’s a good theory, based on evidence to date. I would love nothing better than for GW’s defense to take Angela & Jake down for lying about Angela’s participation (especially if she’s framing her son & husband) but we’ve got quite a bit of prosecution’s testimony to go. I believe the foot molds of JW & GW were presented yesterday but I think we are still waiting on the shoe expert. Or foot expert, or someone who knows about feet/shoes. We’ll see what happens.

And GW4 knew nothing about any of this? He was just sitting at home watching Netflix blissfully unaware his family was out mudering 8 people? Instead of trying to stretch the evidence to fit a theory, it makes more sense to go with the evidence as it is. JMO probabilities, not possibilities.

If GW4 was innocent or had little involvement he would have been the first in line to make a plea deal.

 

[Myland]

And GW4 knew nothing about any of this? He was just sitting at home watching Netflix blissfully unaware his family was out mudering 8 people? Instead of trying to stretch the evidence to fit a theory, it makes more sense to go with the evidence as it is. JMO probabilities, not possibilities.

If GW4 was innocent or had little involvement he would have been the first in line to make a plea deal.

Jmo I can understand your reasoning for little involvement, but why would an innocent person make a plea deal in this case. And what could state offer and if innocent what could George even offer? Jmo

 

[Betty P]

Jmo I can understand your reasoning for little involvement, but why would an innocent person make a plea deal in this case. And what could state offer and if innocent what could George even offer? Jmo

Because there's no way that he's completely innocent. Prosecution knows that, they knew it back when they investigated this massacre. We've already seen the evidence that he was more than marginally involved. He was at the crime scenes.

I feel like I need to go on record to say I support Ohio BCI and the state prosecutors. I think they're honest and professional. They have a good record. I don't support the POV that they are lying or being dishonest in any way when it comes to GW4. I don't believe any of the conspiracy theories out there about them colluding with Jake or Angela to give false testimony or framing GW4. They're honest people who've worked very hard on this case over a long period of time. The evidence is strong and it hasn't been fabricated. JMO

 

[Pru2U]

And GW4 knew nothing about any of this? He was just sitting at home watching Netflix blissfully unaware his family was out mudering 8 people? Instead of trying to stretch the evidence to fit a theory, it makes more sense to go with the evidence as it is. JMO probabilities, not possibilities.

If GW4 was innocent or had little involvement he would have been the first in line to make a plea deal.

I don't see GW not knowing, not being involved, I just don't. At the same time, I want to at least try to stay open minded about his involvement until I see & hear ALL the evidence.

And...if JW and AW are lying to save HER, I hope it's exposed.

Here is the "supplies" George is supposed to have bought.

Some parts at OK Auto Parts. Turned out they were parts for a Chevy Silverado which he owned. So they were parts for his own vehicle. So throw that evidence out.

A phone jammer. Which could not be used to build a silencer anyway, but BCI admitted Angie said she bought the phone jammer with George's card online and it was shipped to her. So throw that evidence out.

An oil filter. The oil filter was bought at O'Reilleys auto parts paid for from the bank account of both Billy and Angela. So throw that evidence out.

A face mask. Wow. that mask was bought in March. Winter. So how many of you who live in Ohio wears a ski or face mask when you go outside in the winter cold? I know hubby has a couple for when it snows or gets cold here and he has to shovel snow off the sidewalk. How many of you on here wears a ski or face mask to go hunting in the winter time in Ohio?

Guess we can probably throw that mask out as evidence too.

So what evidence is there George bought "supplies" for the silencers, or murders?

NONE.

JMO

But it WASN'T a ski mask. It was a cosplay costume mask.

 

[CIA Team Member]

My opinion only but I think FW will face charges unrelated to the murders…

Same.

Law enforcement agency should be all over her nursing home paperwork with us now knowing she provided a Schedule 1 drug to someone, illegally. The nursing home needs to be audited. IF she signed out giving it to a patient and didn't is FW an licensed RN/LPN who are the ONLY personnel legally to distribute medications to patients? Did she keep 2 separate books?
OR, could said medication been unused from Billy's dads illness?

 

[ohioexpat63]

Because there's no way that he's completely innocent. Prosecution knows that, they knew it back when they investigated this massacre. We've already seen the evidence that he was more than marginally involved. He was at the crime scenes.

I feel like I need to go on record to say I support Ohio BCI and the state prosecutors. I think they're honest and professional. They have a good record. I don't support the POV that they are lying or being dishonest in any way when it comes to GW4. I don't believe any of the conspiracy theories out there about them colluding with Jake or Angela to give false testimony or framing GW4. They're honest people who've worked very hard on this case over a long period of time. The evidence is strong and it hasn't been fabricated. JMO

I agree100%. These theories have been floating around from day 1. It doesn't matter what evidence is proven some wanna pass it off as inconsequential. As I've said before, it isn't 1 piece of evidence but the totality off it all. Heck, there are some.that wanna believe the cartels were involved, even tho there isn't one piece of evidence to ever suggest it possible. I just stopped trying to explain because they don't wanna open their eyes and mind. Jmo

 

[Berrybell]

You are entitled to your opinion.

IMO, no one is defending Angie. She was an integral part of the Conspiracy. All four had their parts and the murders would not have been able to be completed without the participation of each and every one of the W4.

JMO

I do agree AW was at home with SW & BW, and she is guilty due to her being involved in the planning, and coverup. She has admitted she was involved in her proffer.

 

[CIA Team Member]

JW knew from personal experience about young girls and older men. MOO

Jake and George are hebephiles. Seems Angie reared them to this belief. MOO

 

[Pru2U]

Add in the adreneline with shooting a person (assuming they never killed a person before) vs shooting an animal or a target.

A size 10.5 in men's is way larger than a 9 women's. I just looked for basketball shoes for my daughter and women's were out. So we went to the mens area and looked at those and a men's 8 was a 9.5 in women's. So a men's 10.5 would be a 12+ in women's.

You are 100% right. I know better than to do math on the fly, HA! I should have looked at the bottom of my Crocs.

 

[Pru2U]

Because there's no way that he's completely innocent. Prosecution knows that, they knew it back when they investigated this massacre. We've already seen the evidence that he was more than marginally involved. He was at the crime scenes.

I feel like I need to go on record to say I support Ohio BCI and the state prosecutors. I think they're honest and professional. They have a good record. I don't support the POV that they are lying or being dishonest in any way when it comes to GW4. I don't believe any of the conspiracy theories out there about them colluding with Jake or Angela to give false testimony or framing GW4. They're honest people who've worked very hard on this case over a long period of time. The evidence is strong and it hasn't been fabricated. JMO

Yep!

 

[CIA Team Member]

Anyone know who is testifying today?

 

[twall]

Anyone know who is testifying today?

All I have found for today is this...

More expert testimony about Pike County massacre expected in George Wagner trial​

Testimony will resume in the George Wagner trial on Friday. It's not clear yet who will take the stand.

More expert testimony about Pike County massacre expected in George Wagner trial

On Thursday, texts between Jake Wagner and Hanna Rhoden were read to the court. The texts dated back to 2013 when Hanna was pregnant with Sophia, the child at t

local12.com

 

[SuziQ]

They are late.

 

[twall]

Angenette Levy

@Angenette5


WATCH: OH v. #GeorgeWagnerIV. Testimony to resume soon. Should be an interesting day.
@LawCrimeNetwork

 

[twall]

Jake's ex may be testifying today, Nash is objecting as they didn't get her address. AC says even if they had her address it doesn't mean she would talk to them! Defense objects to her testifying, judge overules. Jury coming in.

 

[Myland]

Because there's no way that he's completely innocent. Prosecution knows that, they knew it back when they investigated this massacre. We've already seen the evidence that he was more than marginally involved. He was at the crime scenes.

I feel like I need to go on record to say I support Ohio BCI and the state prosecutors. I think they're honest and professional. They have a good record. I don't support the POV that they are lying or being dishonest in any way when it comes to GW4. I don't believe any of the conspiracy theories out there about them colluding with Jake or Angela to give false testimony or framing GW4. They're honest people who've worked very hard on this case over a long period of time. The evidence is strong and it hasn't been fabricated. JMO

I respect your opinion.

 

[Ann99]

So Sleuthers in my opinion only, I really think that Angela will be first to testify and she will break down on the stand, because she has to put one son in jail for life just to save the other son’s life, JMO

Angela’s Choice.

 

[SuziQ]

Jake's ex may be testifying today, Nash is objecting as they didn't get her address. AC says even if they had her address it doesn't mean she would talk to them! Defense objects to her testifying, judge overules. Jury coming in.

IMO, it is very creepy how the defense keeps after her address. Why are they so desperate to locate her physically?

 

[twall]

Jake's ex Elizabeth Armer (?) testifying, no opt out, I'm glued!

 

[Myland]

Jake's ex Elizabeth Armer (?) testifying, no opt out, I'm glued!

I am at work and can’t watch yet, but glad she is on screen.